The Pearl Jam Problem: Superfans Have Ruined My Favorite Band (Article)

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  • scurtis
    scurtis Posts: 2,481
    TA243471 said:

    I guess all I can say to the 1st article is. "Why wait til Chicago. I can find 5000 people that will happily buy your ticket, and you can start your new life now"

    Haha exactly what I thought. Complains the whole time and basically says, "see you all at Wrigley"
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  • 3days
    3days Posts: 1,203
    edited June 2016
    If things are too frenzied up front, why not enjoy the show from a distance?

    If you don't like the merchandise scene, my advice would be not to take part in it.

    If you have a long history of concert attendance, is it news when there are some inconsiderate fans at an event, let alone a festival?

    If the experience has been ruined, why attend Wrigley?

    The guy made a valid point or two, but it seems like common sense would've improved the situation.
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,501
    Superfans, entitlement, etc... but oh, oh, I gotta be on the rail for all 55 shows.
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  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    Never trust a writer who describes the band as an "emotional lighthouse as the storms of adulthood soaked us through." Gag.
  • hedonist
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    what dreams said:

    Never trust a writer who describes the band as an "emotional lighthouse as the storms of adulthood soaked us through." Gag.

    Cheers to the third person today/tonight who made me laugh like a motherfucker.

    Gold =)
  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    I didn't know that the National Enquirer was still interested in Pearl Jam. Wow.
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  • PJammer4life
    PJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,673
    What's really happened is fans traveling from long distances feeling entitled to an "epic " show to make their trip worth it. And they can't justify paying for flight, hotel, rental car etc from the lawn. So it's rail or bust. I made my peace after traveling for shows in 2011 to wait for PJ to play close to home, and though I have only seen 2 shows since then in 2013 I patiently await a West Coast tour. It's most likely long time fans that travel to shows, so it's kind of a shame seniority lost it's value over time in securing quality tickets. Anyways, Cheers to Pearl Jam for 25 years of music.
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  • SD48277
    SD48277 Posts: 12,243
    HesCalledDyer said:

    Superfans, entitlement, etc... but oh, oh, I gotta be on the rail for all 55 shows.

    :lol:
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,501
    PJammer4life said:

    What's really happened is fans traveling from long distances feeling entitled to an "epic " show to make their trip worth it. And they can't justify paying for flight, hotel, rental car etc from the lawn. So it's rail or bust. I made my peace after traveling for shows in 2011 to wait for PJ to play close to home, and though I have only seen 2 shows since then in 2013 I patiently await a West Coast tour. It's most likely long time fans that travel to shows, so it's kind of a shame seniority lost it's value over time in securing quality tickets. Anyways, Cheers to Pearl Jam for 25 years of music.

    Seniority has never lost its value. It's always meant the same thing - the longer you're in the club, the better your seat is. Nothing more, nothing less.

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  • PJammer4life
    PJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,673
    HesCalledDyer said:

    PJammer4life said:

    What's really happened is fans traveling from long distances feeling entitled to an "epic " show to make their trip worth it. And they can't justify paying for flight, hotel, rental car etc from the lawn. So it's rail or bust. I made my peace after traveling for shows in 2011 to wait for PJ to play close to home, and though I have only seen 2 shows since then in 2013 I patiently await a West Coast tour. It's most likely long time fans that travel to shows, so it's kind of a shame seniority lost it's value over time in securing quality tickets. Anyways, Cheers to Pearl Jam for 25 years of music.

    Seniority has never lost its value. It's always meant the same thing - the longer you're in the club, the better your seat is. Nothing more, nothing less.

    For reserved yes. The inception of General Admission lottery eliminates seniority for those fans trying for floor tickets. Those lucky enough to win tickets through the lottery who want the rail have to wait all day for the start of the show which many refuse to do. Even on previous tours rows 1,2 and 9,10 were lottery, and the rest based on seniority. Now senority plays no part in getting on the floor at all for MOST shows.

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  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    hedonist said:

    what dreams said:

    Never trust a writer who describes the band as an "emotional lighthouse as the storms of adulthood soaked us through." Gag.

    Cheers to the third person today/tonight who made me laugh like a motherfucker.

    Gold =)
    Point me in the direction of the other two. I need a laugh.
  • TA243471
    TA243471 The Great Northwest Posts: 1,253
    So, if the Superfans would let Ed sing the correct words for every song, then he would be OK with them again?
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  • mschostok
    mschostok Chicago, IL Posts: 858
    The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me. I really hope the band brings it for Wrigley and sets that fuckin place on fire.

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  • AceCool
    AceCool Texas Posts: 455
    mschostok said:

    The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me.

    I disagree with this completely. This band isn't one that rehearses down to the note, has all their cues down pat and plays the song note for note the same way every performance. They have to be allowed to change it up as they see fit. Hell, Vedder could completely make up new lyrics to songs and it wouldn't bother me. As long as they work within the basic framework of the song it's cool in my book. The Grateful Dead (and Jerry Garcia especially) used to do that shit all the time. It's part of what made each show unique and interesting in its own right.

  • Daron Oshay
    Daron Oshay Middletown, NJ Posts: 2,603
    Personally I'm thinking of never seeing Pearl Jam again until they change the stage design.

    It's unacceptable.

    Where's the giant lemon?
  • ckravitz
    ckravitz NJ Posts: 1,668
    edited June 2016
    AceCool said:

    mschostok said:

    The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me.

    I disagree with this completely. This band isn't one that rehearses down to the note, has all their cues down pat and plays the song note for note the same way every performance. They have to be allowed to change it up as they see fit. Hell, Vedder could completely make up new lyrics to songs and it wouldn't bother me. As long as they work within the basic framework of the song it's cool in my book. The Grateful Dead (and Jerry Garcia especially) used to do that shit all the time. It's part of what made each show unique and interesting in its own right.

    Me too.

    We should be thankful that they don't play the same 17 songs in the same order every night of the tour but instead give the fans something different (and long!) every night. When you are willing to go 100 songs deep in to your catalogue on a given tour, there are going to be missed lyrics as it is superhuman feat to even be able to play 100 songs on a given tour.


    Reason for edit: feat not feet!
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  • Weston1283
    Weston1283 Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 5,028
    ckravitz said:

    AceCool said:

    mschostok said:

    The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me.

    I disagree with this completely. This band isn't one that rehearses down to the note, has all their cues down pat and plays the song note for note the same way every performance. They have to be allowed to change it up as they see fit. Hell, Vedder could completely make up new lyrics to songs and it wouldn't bother me. As long as they work within the basic framework of the song it's cool in my book. The Grateful Dead (and Jerry Garcia especially) used to do that shit all the time. It's part of what made each show unique and interesting in its own right.

    Me too.

    We should be thankful that they don't play the same 17 songs in the same order every night of the tour but instead give the fans something different (and long!) every night. When you are willing to go 100 songs deep in to your catalogue on a given tour, there are going to be missed lyrics as it is superhuman feet to even be able to play 100 songs on a given tour.
    Agreed. I would rather have them dig into the catalog and atleast attempt many different songs than just be perfect at like 20 of them.
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  • dimitrispearljam
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    usually the day of the show chat at facebook or at phone with friends and we set a date at bar..go have a drink,then go to box office,get our tickets ,we wear the wristbands,we scan our tix at the entrance,we go in the pit,we chat,we laugh,get a drink,band on stage,we dance,sing laugh,smile,enjoy the show
    thats it,..,no drama...i dont have time to waste with stupid things and all tis crap
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  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    edited June 2016
    Hate to admit it but he had some valid points, BUT he did come off as the same person he came to be disgusted by

    this is actually a true statement as I have been pushed and shoved out of the way (and im not a small guy) at multiple shows (especially Wrigley 13) because someone wanted a poster and all I wanted was a damn tshirt. I have given up on merch completely

    "financially secure fans seem to believe they can fortify fanboy superiority by buying up as much band-branded gear as they possibly can. While trying so very hard to prove that they are better fans, more devoted fans than the next warm body, these people alienate and eliminate the sense of community that once made these groups of fans a truly special collective. It becomes a mad rush for stuff, the bragging-rights stories and future Ebay listings dancing in the heads of those who have turned a visceral passion for music into a hoarding collector’s insecurity insulator."

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