Stanford rapist

PJfanwillneverleave1 · June 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:
rapists are bred, not born. claiming anything to the contrary, in my opinion, is ludicrous. respecting women is the responsibility of your parents, not your genes.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/apr/09/risk-of-sex-offending-linked-to-genetic-factors-study-finds

HughFreakingDillon · June 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
rapists are bred, not born. claiming anything to the contrary, in my opinion, is ludicrous. respecting women is the responsibility of your parents, not your genes.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/apr/09/risk-of-sex-offending-linked-to-genetic-factors-study-finds

fair enough. but it's one study. to prove such links, several studies with the same findings are needed.

HughFreakingDillon · June 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
rapists are bred, not born. claiming anything to the contrary, in my opinion, is ludicrous. respecting women is the responsibility of your parents, not your genes.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/apr/09/risk-of-sex-offending-linked-to-genetic-factors-study-finds

I also find their hypotheses regarding envinronmental factors to be highly suppositional flawed:

To demonstrate this, they considered the case of maternal half-brothers (typically brought up in the same family home) and paternal half-brothers (who normally live with different mothers). If environmental factors were largely responsible, a much higher risk would be expected in maternal half-brothers whose siblings had committed crimes. But both groups were roughly twice as likely to offend if their half-sibling had previously committed a sexual offence. The link was also about half as strong as for full siblings, again supporting the idea that genetic factors were more powerful.

using words like "typically" when describing portions of their findings is suspect at best. it's painting with a broad brush that shows an assumption, not actualy hard data.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · June 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
rapists are bred, not born. claiming anything to the contrary, in my opinion, is ludicrous. respecting women is the responsibility of your parents, not your genes.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/apr/09/risk-of-sex-offending-linked-to-genetic-factors-study-finds
fair enough. but it's one study. to prove such links, several studies with the same findings are needed.

That's true.
I was just pointing out that the idea of it is not as abstract as some are making it out to be.

PJ_Soul · June 2016

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:
You are just not understanding what I am saying at all.
I am. I'm understanding.

You're not if you're asking me if I understand that the majority of men don't hurt women.

PJ_Soul · June 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:
Jeff Martin of the Tea Party is a big supporter of the White Ribbon campaign, which is an organization of men that stand up against domestic violence against women. This the kind of thing PJ_Soul is referring to, I believe.

The thing is, the message gets taken more seriously, rightly or wrongly, when it is the group that is the most likely to be the perpetrators that are standing up against the crime.

I agree with PJ_Soul that it should be the father's responsibility, to a larger extent, to teach the sons how to treat women properly. the message might get lost easier or dismissed entirely when it comes from someone who may have a less objective view on the subjet matter.

It is a father's responsibility and a mother's of course, but yes, the White Ribbon thing is one of the kinds of things I'm referring to. It's also all other men's responsibilty, not just dads and their own sons. I am not talking about how individuals are raised in the home. I am talking about an actual male movement against male violence. This should be something broght into education systems, something pushed by male politicians, by the media, by male spokespeople, through charity organizations, rallies, etc etc etc. There needs to be a real male movement against male violence against women (and male violence in general) around the world. It is a worldwide human rights crisis, and a health and safety crisis, and only men truly working together in a directed way will ever fix it. That very much includes governments.

HughFreakingDillon · June 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
rapists are bred, not born. claiming anything to the contrary, in my opinion, is ludicrous. respecting women is the responsibility of your parents, not your genes.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/apr/09/risk-of-sex-offending-linked-to-genetic-factors-study-finds
fair enough. but it's one study. to prove such links, several studies with the same findings are needed.
That's true.
I was just pointing out that the idea of it is not as abstract as some are making it out to be.

and thanks for that, I had never heard of that before.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · June 2016

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:
You are just not understanding what I am saying at all.
I am. I'm understanding.
You're not if you're asking me if I understand that the majority of men don't hurt women.

Rhetorical.

And asking that question as I did was in a different context.

It doesn't matter. We're dissecting the issue, but ultimately on the same side.

Enkidu · June 2016

Someone just posted this on FB. If you remember, Stanford rapist boy said he'd never done any partying and was overwhelmed by the party/alcohol culture at Stanford.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a45695/brock-turner-previous-arrest/?mag=esq&list=nl_enl_news&src=nl&date=061016

polaris_x · June 2016

so ... is there ANY chance this guy's sentence increases somehow? ... the prosecutors should appeal also the sentencing ...

Thirty Bills Unpaid · June 2016

Enkidu said:
Someone just posted this on FB. If you remember, Stanford rapist boy said he'd never done any partying and was overwhelmed by the party/alcohol culture at Stanford.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a45695/brock-turner-previous-arrest/?mag=esq&list=nl_enl_news&src=nl&date=061016

Not surprising.

What is also not surprising is how much of a rodent this guy looks like. Poor little rodent unable to have any rib eyes for a few more months.

OnWis97 · June 2016

polaris_x said:
so ... is there ANY chance this guy's sentence increases somehow? ... the prosecutors should appeal also the sentencing ...

I don't think that's even possible. I think it would be a form of double-jeopardy. The only way he's getting more time is for another crime.

Enkidu · June 2016

OnWis97 said:

polaris_x said:
so ... is there ANY chance this guy's sentence increases somehow? ... the prosecutors should appeal also the sentencing ...
I don't think that's even possible. I think it would be a form of double-jeopardy. The only way he's getting more time is for another crime.

I wonder how long that will take.

polaris_x · June 2016

OnWis97 said:

polaris_x said:
so ... is there ANY chance this guy's sentence increases somehow? ... the prosecutors should appeal also the sentencing ...
I don't think that's even possible. I think it would be a form of double-jeopardy. The only way he's getting more time is for another crime.

can't prosecutors appeal the sentence?

jeffbr · June 2016

polaris_x said:

OnWis97 said:

polaris_x said:
so ... is there ANY chance this guy's sentence increases somehow? ... the prosecutors should appeal also the sentencing ...
I don't think that's even possible. I think it would be a form of double-jeopardy. The only way he's getting more time is for another crime.
can't prosecutors appeal the sentence?

I know appellate courts can vacate judgments, and/or vacate sentences, but I don't know under what circumstances they can do this. If a sentence is vacated, they can pass it back down to the court and have another judge involved in the re-sentencing. Any lawyers on the train?

hedonist · June 2016

I love how jurors are refusing to serve under the judge.

polaris_x · June 2016

jeffbr said:

polaris_x said:

OnWis97 said:

polaris_x said:
so ... is there ANY chance this guy's sentence increases somehow? ... the prosecutors should appeal also the sentencing ...
I don't think that's even possible. I think it would be a form of double-jeopardy. The only way he's getting more time is for another crime.
can't prosecutors appeal the sentence?
I know appellate courts can vacate judgments, and/or vacate sentences, but I don't know under what circumstances they can do this. If a sentence is vacated, they can pass it back down to the court and have another judge involved in the re-sentencing. Any lawyers on the train?

did some reading ... looks like there is like no chance his sentence will get harsher ... also, the judge presided over a domestic violence case recently and also gave a light sentence stating concerns that the man in that case may be inconvenienced from going to work ... brutal ...

rgambs · June 2016

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Enkidu said:
Someone just posted this on FB. If you remember, Stanford rapist boy said he'd never done any partying and was overwhelmed by the party/alcohol culture at Stanford.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a45695/brock-turner-previous-arrest/?mag=esq&list=nl_enl_news&src=nl&date=061016
Not surprising.

What is also not surprising is how much of a rodent this guy looks like. Poor little rodent unable to have any rib eyes for a few more months.

If there's any cosmic justice this little rat will get plenty of meat in his 3 months

northerndragon · June 2016

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
The father has a huge role in his son's character development. So does the mother. So does his peer influences. So does every other aspect of society.

It's irrelevant. We are going to fail with some individuals. Some men are going to become violent and murder someone or rape someone or beat someone senseless... for kicks.

Coming back to my original point which others have expressed as well: in light of our impending failures... I choose to safeguard my daughter from being left vulnerable to a mutant. If she was ever raped... I would not say, "What the f**k were you doing?" I would attribute 100% of the blame on the rapist... and... then I'd go kill him or at least bash his face in.

My comments are intended to support women... not blame them. The comments are rooted in reality and pragmatic in nature. I'd love for a peaceful society where men would respect women- and other men for that matter- and leave each to their own. But I'd be dreaming with my head up my ass if I felt that time was coming anytime soon.

They may from your prospective be meant to support women, but the statement that some men will do it anyway or that a change could happen anytime soon is akin to having your head up your ass cancels out any "supportive" factor.

We aren't saying don't teach your daughter to be safe, every parent should teach all of their children to be safe. We are saying pull your head out of your ass and stand up and try to make that change happen sooner and then you won't have to worry so much about your daughter, granddaughter, etc.. What you stated above is pretty much just like saying boys will be boys, and that is the problem. But if you aren't ready to see it that way then ok, we will keep trying and maybe the next generation will get.

Who Princess · June 2016

I read that under California law, he should have gotten more prison time because he was convicted of 3 felonies. I think the minimum is 2 years. But the law allows the judge discretion when there are extenuating circumstances. In other words, the judge didn't act contrary to the law. So prosecutors have said there are no grounds for them to appeal the sentence. Regardless of the outcome of his appeal, he won't get a tougher sentence.

Also, he will serve 50% of his sentence unless he gets into some serious trouble behind bars, possibly less than that. He should be out in September.

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