Prophets Of Rage
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I'm hearing you, man!HughFreakingDillon said:"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Audioslave was definitely milquetoast. Cornell sabotaged it by saying "no politics."Merkin Baller said:
I have the same skepticism for Prophets of Rage that I had for Audioslave.
I loved SG, and I loved RATM, but I had my doubts about Audioslave when I first heard about the then impending supergoup / album.
(& from a personal standpoint, I ended up being correct...... Audioslave did nothing for me - not a knock on the band or towards anyone who liked them, they just didn't do it for me)
I was a fan of Cypress Hill back in the '90s (now I find them kind of silly..... talented, no doubt, but I find it hard to go back and listen to a lot of their stuff)
I love PE, and I love Rage, but I have a lot less enthusiasm for this project now that I know more details.0 -
So I don't really keep up with Rage, but I've seen Tom Morello a handful of times with Audioslave and at some benefit thing and I love him. Can someone fill me in on why Rage doesn't seem to want to do things together much? Is Zach the holdout?0
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Here's my take...I don't think Zach "has it" anymore as far as writing goes. And frankly, I think that seems like hard shit to be able to write. Rage put out their first album and it was great. But a lot of times that happens because the artists entire life up until that point has led to that first album. It took them nearly four years to put out another one. And three more after that to put out their third. All three are great albums...but I think that's all he had in him. Since Rage, Morello has put out three Audioslave albums, a Street Sweeper Social Club album (and EP), and four solo albums while Zach has put out just the One Day As A Lion EP. And this isn't meant to be a "Tom is better than Zach" type of argument. I just think it's easier to write that sort of music than it is to write those sort of lyrics.Suziemay said:So I don't really keep up with Rage, but I've seen Tom Morello a handful of times with Audioslave and at some benefit thing and I love him. Can someone fill me in on why Rage doesn't seem to want to do things together much? Is Zach the holdout?
So after reuniting and playing the old songs in 2007-2008, I just think that without anything new to offer, he doesn't wanna just be trotted out there to be a nostalgia band...which I can understand.
2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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That makes sense. And OMG, thanks for reminding me about Street Sweeper Social Club! I stumbled upon their album randomly a few years ago and loved it. And love their cover of Paper Planes:Ledbetterman10 said:
So after reuniting and playing the old songs in 2007-2008, I just think that without anything new to offer, he doesn't wanna just be trotted out there to be a nostalgia band...which I can understand.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsjgM0b385g
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I love the two records they put out. I wish they'd do something else. Frankly, I'd rather that than this "Prophets of Rage" thing.Suziemay said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsjgM0b385g
2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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if zach can't come up with material now with what's going on in the world then we might be SOL on any new Rage ever.This show, another show, a show here and a show there.0
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I was saying the same thing during the Bush administration.ComeToTX said:if zach can't come up with material now with what's going on in the world then we might be SOL on any new Rage ever.
2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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at least they played some shows during those years.This show, another show, a show here and a show there.0
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If Zach is the lone holdout, I appreciate his resolve to not become a nostalgia act. (assuming this is indeed the case)
By not reuniting, I would imagine RATM is leaving a LOT of money on the table.0 -
Personally, I think ppl put too much weight behind a bands 'legacy'. After hearing BLA, I wondered how long Rage could continue putting out records without changing up their sound....and if changing their sound could be done without it being a total disaster. When they split, I could understand why they felt the band had run its course. Now I have to wonder...if Rage had become like AC/DC - pigeon-holed into the sound they created...would it have been such a bad thing? Even if their albums became a bit mediocre, it wouldn't spoil the first three....for me anyway. There would have been a killer song or three per album, with some stuff that couldn't compare to their early-career greatness. Sounds like another band I know and still love and see as often as possible
and let's be honest...that other band hasn't done much to change up their style in the last 20 years.
But I don't think this was about musical legacy for Zach. Maybe he didn't want to appear to be cashing in on a band founded on anti-capitalist principles...guess that's still a legacy concern...but from what I've read, his passion for music is secondary to his political interests. I think that's more of a reason than nothing left in the tank lyrically.
All I want is to hear those songs live, with the full lineup. It wouldn't be nostalgia for me - I've never had an opportunity to see them.0 -
I loved their first record. the last two I found very boring.darthvedder said:
if the band thought he was sabotaging it, I'm guessing they wouldn't have allowed it. I read an interview with Tim Cummerford from just a few days ago, and he absolutely loved the new direction they had with Cornell. it gave them more breathing room than just being pigeonholed into being a rap/rock political act.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
I would happily go support a new shitty album tour and stomach 4-5 new crappy songs to see these guys. I also think your last statement reflects the attitudes of most people.Drowned Out said:Personally, I think ppl put too much weight behind a bands 'legacy'. After hearing BLA, I wondered how long Rage could continue putting out records without changing up their sound....and if changing their sound could be done without it being a total disaster. When they split, I could understand why they felt the band had run its course. Now I have to wonder...if Rage had become like AC/DC - pigeon-holed into the sound they created...would it have been such a bad thing? Even if their albums became a bit mediocre, it wouldn't spoil the first three....for me anyway. There would have been a killer song or three per album, with some stuff that couldn't compare to their early-career greatness. Sounds like another band I know and still love and see as often as possible
and let's be honest...that other band hasn't done much to change up their style in the last 20 years.
But I don't think this was about musical legacy for Zach. Maybe he didn't want to appear to be cashing in on a band founded on anti-capitalist principles...guess that's still a legacy concern...but from what I've read, his passion for music is secondary to his political interests. I think that's more of a reason than nothing left in the tank lyrically.
All I want is to hear those songs live, with the full lineup. It wouldn't be nostalgia for me - I've never had an opportunity to see them.
Any tour they might plan with whatever theme they might center it on would likely be met with a great response.
Win win."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Any show at all and my buddy and I have made unofficial plans to travel and attend. It's just got to be reasonable.
I'm kicking myself for not seeing them and Muse at LA Rising.
What an idiot."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Yeah I have that same mindset. Any reasonable reunion show that I can get to I'm there no matter what.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:Any show at all and my buddy and I have made unofficial plans to travel and attend. It's just got to be reasonable.
I'm not a fan of the supergroup collab rumors. (They are still rumors, right? )
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Saw them much later in their history. It was the Rock the Bells shows in nyc. Went the first night and was so blown away I had to come back the next night. They were mindblowing. the funniest thing I ever saw was the looks on the brother's faces as they immediately started streaming out en mass as the place erupted into a huge wave of humanity swaying to and fro.
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First show is tonight at the Whisky in Hollywood.0
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Apologies made to whoever it pleases
and now they got me like Jesus.
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They are announcing something else tomorrow at 8am.....could be a show at the Hollywood Palladium on Friday.0
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So will this new group be covering RATM songs?2003: 7/14 NJ ... 2006: 6/1 NJ, 6/3 NJ ... 2007: 8/5 IL ... 2008: 6/24 NY, 6/25 NY, 8/7 EV NJ ... 2009: 10/27 PA, 10/28 PA, 10/30 PA, 10/31 PA
2010: 5/20 NY, 5/21 NY ... 2011: 6/21 EV NY, 9/3 WI, 9/4 WI ... 2012: 9/2 PA, 9/22 GA ... 2013: 10/18 NY, 10/19 NY, 10/21 PA, 10/22 PA, 10/27 MD
2015: 9/23 NY, 9/26 NY ... 2016: 4/28 PA, 4/29 PA, 5/1 NY, 5/2 NY, 6/11 TN, 8/7 MA, 11/4 TOTD PA, 11/5 TOTD PA ... 2018: 8/10 WA
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