The Tragically Hip official Thread 2009******

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Ryan said:

    Hip tickets have been outrageously expensive since 2007. If I recalled the 2007 arena tour was close to $90, 2009 was over $100 (theatres), 2011 was over $100 and 2013 and 2015 were over $125. Those prices are before service charges.

    Also, the band has not billed this anywhere as their last tour. That was the media jumping on.

    interesting. you are correct. their message says "so we've decided to do another one" and "we'll try to make this tour the best one yet". it certainly implies this is it, but they haven't actually stated that. Although I thought something was said during their press conference, but again, you could be right.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    got two tickets in the 100 level. slightly behind the stage. $317. JESUS.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    benjs said:

    RobbyD462 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I had a few hits for the Edmonton show...row 40 floor, top of lower bowl on the side ($166 ea), and mid upper level ($86). I'd pay $86 but those seats were crap...and I'm not paying $166. We'll see what happens with the public sale....and will try hitting up some sales guys I know with expense accounts....but I may be sitting this show out after all.....

    Ditto. I hit on a couple of good seats but let them all go because of the price. No way am I spending $166. What a rip off. I'd rather not go. I hate to say this, but this pricing makes me think that the band is taking advantage of Gord's illness in an effort make money off it. Their tix were definitely not this expensive before. Just last tour I got row 4 on the floor for under $100. Now they are $166?? Brutal.
    I was kinda thinking this too but didnt really want to say anymore than I did on my previous post.
    I love these guys but dare I say Cash Grab?
    In every market, there's an optimal price for a product, and at that point, supply equals demand (i.e. there are 20,000 people who want to buy tickets at that price, in a venue of 20,000 seats). In the concert industry, thanks to touts, when a show is priced below this dollar value, third-party resellers have the opportunity to restrict supply by buying it up, and resell it for higher, capitalizing on the suboptimal pricing.

    To add to this, concerts are experiences with emotional appeal that brings out irrational buying patterns, meaning touts can capitalize even more. Given the emotional appeal of a Tragically Hip tour with Gord Downie fighting cancer, I would bet money that if the price of a ticket was closer to $90, the ratio of scalpers to fans buying tickets would be far higher than it will be with the tickets priced at $166. And then, when you factor in what it would cost fans to re-buy those tickets from scalpers, the average price paid for a ticket would creep close to $166 - most likely, significantly more.

    The big difference? At $90 face value per ticket, with most fans spending an average of $166, the band willingly gives away over 40% of their revenue just so that fans (in fact, significantly less of them) are able to spend between $90 and $160 are able to get tickets. A band has no obligation to forgo profit. Bands are businesses, not charitable ventures, much as we'd all like to believe otherwise. So actually, I have no problem with $166 a ticket.

    I'd also argue that if Pearl Jam didn't do such a great job of securing such great seats for their fan club, they'd be ripe for a significant ticket price increase too. Even within the fan clubs, each year more and more people complain about losing the ticket lotteries. Know how to increase the ratios of winning the ticket lotteries? Increase the ticket prices: fewer people will apply.

    To conclude, I think that the anger related to rising ticket prices is actually best directed at the scalper industry, or the lobbyists of that industry, or the government agents taking handouts to allow that industry to exist, or the concert service providers (i.e. Ticketmaster) talking out of both sides of their mouths: setting up great programs like mandatory Credit Card entry, and then selling those very tickets without that mandatory clause to scalpers - sometimes even before tickets go on sale to the public. With these inequalities in place, I do not blame the bands for wanting to capture the majority of the average ticket prices paid by end customers (i.e. the ones attending the shows).
    I agree with most of that but the anger could also be directed towards the people paying stupid amounts for tickets.

    I'm not angry though, I can see amazing shows in Calgary on a nightly basis for around $15...and I have trouble justifying paying anything over $60. So I just don't see the big shows much anymore, I've been priced out of the market and I'm OK with that.
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    dignin said:

    benjs said:

    RobbyD462 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I had a few hits for the Edmonton show...row 40 floor, top of lower bowl on the side ($166 ea), and mid upper level ($86). I'd pay $86 but those seats were crap...and I'm not paying $166. We'll see what happens with the public sale....and will try hitting up some sales guys I know with expense accounts....but I may be sitting this show out after all.....

    Ditto. I hit on a couple of good seats but let them all go because of the price. No way am I spending $166. What a rip off. I'd rather not go. I hate to say this, but this pricing makes me think that the band is taking advantage of Gord's illness in an effort make money off it. Their tix were definitely not this expensive before. Just last tour I got row 4 on the floor for under $100. Now they are $166?? Brutal.
    I was kinda thinking this too but didnt really want to say anymore than I did on my previous post.
    I love these guys but dare I say Cash Grab?
    In every market, there's an optimal price for a product, and at that point, supply equals demand (i.e. there are 20,000 people who want to buy tickets at that price, in a venue of 20,000 seats). In the concert industry, thanks to touts, when a show is priced below this dollar value, third-party resellers have the opportunity to restrict supply by buying it up, and resell it for higher, capitalizing on the suboptimal pricing.

    To add to this, concerts are experiences with emotional appeal that brings out irrational buying patterns, meaning touts can capitalize even more. Given the emotional appeal of a Tragically Hip tour with Gord Downie fighting cancer, I would bet money that if the price of a ticket was closer to $90, the ratio of scalpers to fans buying tickets would be far higher than it will be with the tickets priced at $166. And then, when you factor in what it would cost fans to re-buy those tickets from scalpers, the average price paid for a ticket would creep close to $166 - most likely, significantly more.

    The big difference? At $90 face value per ticket, with most fans spending an average of $166, the band willingly gives away over 40% of their revenue just so that fans (in fact, significantly less of them) are able to spend between $90 and $160 are able to get tickets. A band has no obligation to forgo profit. Bands are businesses, not charitable ventures, much as we'd all like to believe otherwise. So actually, I have no problem with $166 a ticket.

    I'd also argue that if Pearl Jam didn't do such a great job of securing such great seats for their fan club, they'd be ripe for a significant ticket price increase too. Even within the fan clubs, each year more and more people complain about losing the ticket lotteries. Know how to increase the ratios of winning the ticket lotteries? Increase the ticket prices: fewer people will apply.

    To conclude, I think that the anger related to rising ticket prices is actually best directed at the scalper industry, or the lobbyists of that industry, or the government agents taking handouts to allow that industry to exist, or the concert service providers (i.e. Ticketmaster) talking out of both sides of their mouths: setting up great programs like mandatory Credit Card entry, and then selling those very tickets without that mandatory clause to scalpers - sometimes even before tickets go on sale to the public. With these inequalities in place, I do not blame the bands for wanting to capture the majority of the average ticket prices paid by end customers (i.e. the ones attending the shows).
    I agree with most of that but the anger could also be directed towards the people paying stupid amounts for tickets.

    I'm not angry though, I can see amazing shows in Calgary on a nightly basis for around $15...and I have trouble justifying paying anything over $60. So I just don't see the big shows much anymore, I've been priced out of the market and I'm OK with that.
    That's a good point too - it's the consumers for letting the emotional appeal take over and losing their sense of value, as well as the touts.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,673
    edited May 2016

    Ryan said:

    Hip tickets have been outrageously expensive since 2007. If I recalled the 2007 arena tour was close to $90, 2009 was over $100 (theatres), 2011 was over $100 and 2013 and 2015 were over $125. Those prices are before service charges.

    Also, the band has not billed this anywhere as their last tour. That was the media jumping on.

    interesting. you are correct. their message says "so we've decided to do another one" and "we'll try to make this tour the best one yet". it certainly implies this is it, but they haven't actually stated that. Although I thought something was said during their press conference, but again, you could be right.
    Okay, good. Would be nice if this isn't their last tour. I never heard anyone say it was their last either.

    Ryan, I was 4th row floor just last year and it wasn't over $100 after service charges, let alone before.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • RobbyD462
    RobbyD462 Victoria BC Posts: 4,812
    Second shows added at select cities.
    Victoria not one of them:(
    -Seattle,Wash-Key Arena-9/21/9 -Vancouver,B.C-Rogers Arena-12/4/13 -Vancouver,BC-Rogers Arena-5/6/24
    -Seattle,Wash-Key Arena-9/22/9 -Pemberton,B.C-7/17/16
    -Vancouver,B.C-GM Place -9/25/9 -Seattle,Wash-Safeco Field-8/8/18
    -Vancouver,B.C-Pacific Coliseum-9/25/11 -Seattle,Wash-Safeco Field-8/10/18
    -Misoula,MT-Adams Field House-9/30/12 -Vancouver,BC-Rogers Arena-5/4/24

  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Edmonton gets a second show, and it's a Saturday. I'd be a little pissed if I'd just paid 300+ for a Thursday show :lol:
    Might try again in tomorrow's presale to see if there are any seats too tempting to pass on....but thinking I'm on board with dignin in hoping this lowers demand and there are some cheapies to be had closer to show time. If not, I'm out.
  • PearlJamVS
    PearlJamVS Eastern Ontario Posts: 62
    scored 4th row for Ottawa Aug. 18.
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  • Swordo
    Swordo Posts: 266
    ISO 2, or 4 for Hamilton (or Toronto or London)
  • Edmonton gets a second show, and it's a Saturday. I'd be a little pissed if I'd just paid 300+ for a Thursday show :lol:
    Might try again in tomorrow's presale to see if there are any seats too tempting to pass on....but thinking I'm on board with dignin in hoping this lowers demand and there are some cheapies to be had closer to show time. If not, I'm out.

    This is my perspective with Vancouver.

    I'll try again in the presale'. Then I'll try in the regular sale. If it doesn't happen... well... I guess it wasn't meant to be.

    I love the band though.
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  • scored 4th row for Ottawa Aug. 18.

    Beauty!
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  • Massara133
    Massara133 Stettler AB Canada Posts: 431
    Wow, $166/seat is pretty steep but I remember passing on the Fully Completely shows last year because of ticket prices in the $140 range so it's not the first time their tix have been this expensive. I plan on going and I'll buy my wife a ticket if she wants to go as well. $330 is small compared to everything Gord and The Hip have given me throughout the years. It could be called cashing in on the situation or it could be called realizing the full value the market is willing to pay (I know, it's the same thing) either way I don't care, I'm going.

    And if anyone passes in hopes there will be another tour, prepare to be disappointed. This will be a tour you don't want to miss.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    I agree. even if they aren't locking the door on this by saying it's a farewell tour, I'm guessing it is.
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,854
    ticketmaster is so dirty,

    This time, the link for the tickets turned out to be 'dead' when the clock hit zero... so you had to back out, click on the show again... then prove you arent a "robot" by clicking on a button and all sorts of silly pictures.
  • Swordo
    Swordo Posts: 266
    Such a bust. F ticketmaster, F StubHub
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,854
    ok. the floodgates opened. all sorts of decent seats popping up now
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    The picture game for captcha is hilarious.
  • kk277412
    kk277412 Posts: 47

    Got Hamilton and third Toronto today! Use phone app I scored 3 different pairs for Toronto
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    dignin said:

    The picture game for captcha is hilarious.

    so stupid.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    I think the feds need to seriously review this bullshit and legislate it. TM should NOT be allowed to shuffle however many seats they wish to secondary sites that cost 10x's more. All tickets should now be credit card entry ONLY. no transfers under any circumstances. if you need to get rid of your ticket, you pay a small admin fee to put the ticket back into the pool, and if it's sold out, people go on a waiting list, those people get notified, and they pay face value. when that happens, that money minus the admin fee goes to the seller.
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.