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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,716
    rr165892 said:

    jnimhaoileoin said:

    BS44325 said:

    JC29856 said:

    This is astounding. A senior French politician has revealed that the tax laws of France entitle a citizen to make a charitable, tax-deductible donation to the Israeli army. As the French politician Nathalie Goulet observes: “This represents a tax benefit by the French taxpayer for the benefit of a foreign army.”
    Or put more bluntly still, French citizens are being encouraged through the tax system to subsidise an illegal, belligerent occupation of the Palestinians by the Israeli army. It underscores the sheer hypocrisy of the French government as it claims to be trying to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through “peace-making” at the United Nations.
    - See more at: http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2016-03-28/frances-tax-subsidy-on-gifts-to-israeli-army/#.dpuf

    Is there a reason why this is in the "Paris Attacks" thread?
    I suppose he thinks it speaks to motive?
    No,it just gives him another opportunity to take a shot at Israel.
    A thing like that certainly could contribute to motive though....
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJ_Soul said:

    rr165892 said:

    jnimhaoileoin said:

    BS44325 said:

    JC29856 said:

    This is astounding. A senior French politician has revealed that the tax laws of France entitle a citizen to make a charitable, tax-deductible donation to the Israeli army. As the French politician Nathalie Goulet observes: “This represents a tax benefit by the French taxpayer for the benefit of a foreign army.”
    Or put more bluntly still, French citizens are being encouraged through the tax system to subsidise an illegal, belligerent occupation of the Palestinians by the Israeli army. It underscores the sheer hypocrisy of the French government as it claims to be trying to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through “peace-making” at the United Nations.
    - See more at: http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2016-03-28/frances-tax-subsidy-on-gifts-to-israeli-army/#.dpuf

    Is there a reason why this is in the "Paris Attacks" thread?
    I suppose he thinks it speaks to motive?
    No,it just gives him another opportunity to take a shot at Israel.
    A thing like that certainly could contribute to motive though....
    You can't talk about motive, that makes you a terrorist apologist and an America hating circle jerker.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,716
    rgambs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    rr165892 said:

    jnimhaoileoin said:

    BS44325 said:

    JC29856 said:

    This is astounding. A senior French politician has revealed that the tax laws of France entitle a citizen to make a charitable, tax-deductible donation to the Israeli army. As the French politician Nathalie Goulet observes: “This represents a tax benefit by the French taxpayer for the benefit of a foreign army.”
    Or put more bluntly still, French citizens are being encouraged through the tax system to subsidise an illegal, belligerent occupation of the Palestinians by the Israeli army. It underscores the sheer hypocrisy of the French government as it claims to be trying to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through “peace-making” at the United Nations.
    - See more at: http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2016-03-28/frances-tax-subsidy-on-gifts-to-israeli-army/#.dpuf

    Is there a reason why this is in the "Paris Attacks" thread?
    I suppose he thinks it speaks to motive?
    No,it just gives him another opportunity to take a shot at Israel.
    A thing like that certainly could contribute to motive though....
    You can't talk about motive, that makes you a terrorist apologist and an America hating circle jerker.
    Oh, okay, sorry. :loser::lol:
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    rgambs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    rr165892 said:

    jnimhaoileoin said:

    BS44325 said:

    JC29856 said:

    This is astounding. A senior French politician has revealed that the tax laws of France entitle a citizen to make a charitable, tax-deductible donation to the Israeli army. As the French politician Nathalie Goulet observes: “This represents a tax benefit by the French taxpayer for the benefit of a foreign army.”
    Or put more bluntly still, French citizens are being encouraged through the tax system to subsidise an illegal, belligerent occupation of the Palestinians by the Israeli army. It underscores the sheer hypocrisy of the French government as it claims to be trying to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through “peace-making” at the United Nations.
    - See more at: http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2016-03-28/frances-tax-subsidy-on-gifts-to-israeli-army/#.dpuf

    Is there a reason why this is in the "Paris Attacks" thread?
    I suppose he thinks it speaks to motive?
    No,it just gives him another opportunity to take a shot at Israel.
    A thing like that certainly could contribute to motive though....
    You can't talk about motive, that makes you a terrorist apologist and an America hating circle jerker.
    It really all depends how you frame things. It's significant to acknowledge motive at some point, but when you present such material in a way that the reader is inferring you feel the blame ultimately lies elsewhere... then you most certainly come across as somewhat of an apologist.

    Don't you think?
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    rgambs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    rr165892 said:

    jnimhaoileoin said:

    BS44325 said:

    JC29856 said:

    This is astounding. A senior French politician has revealed that the tax laws of France entitle a citizen to make a charitable, tax-deductible donation to the Israeli army. As the French politician Nathalie Goulet observes: “This represents a tax benefit by the French taxpayer for the benefit of a foreign army.”
    Or put more bluntly still, French citizens are being encouraged through the tax system to subsidise an illegal, belligerent occupation of the Palestinians by the Israeli army. It underscores the sheer hypocrisy of the French government as it claims to be trying to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through “peace-making” at the United Nations.
    - See more at: http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2016-03-28/frances-tax-subsidy-on-gifts-to-israeli-army/#.dpuf

    Is there a reason why this is in the "Paris Attacks" thread?
    I suppose he thinks it speaks to motive?
    No,it just gives him another opportunity to take a shot at Israel.
    A thing like that certainly could contribute to motive though....
    You can't talk about motive, that makes you a terrorist apologist and an America hating circle jerker.
    Cmon Gambsy,it's Liberal American Hating Circle Jerker.
    And 30 nailed it.Its not motive but excuses that bring it to that level.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Eagles of Death Metal were just banned from a couple of French music festivals due to Jesse Hughes' post-attack views and personal eyewitness reports...

    http://www.lefigaro.fr/musique/2016/05/20/03006-20160520ARTFIG00200-eagles-of-death-metal-rock-en-seine-annule-leur-concert.php

    "In a brief communique, the Parisian [music] festival as well as the Cabaret Vert and Rock en Seine decided jointly to cancel the shows of the American group. Due to the recent political statements made by the leader of the group, Jesse Hughes.
    "In complete disagreement with the recent statements made by Jesse Hughes.... the fesivals Cabaret Vert et Rock en Seine decided today to cancel the concerts of the group which were planned this summer." The message is clear. The American group had draw the thunder of many organizers after the singer Jesse Hughes had made the conspiracy-theory and racist claims in regard to the attacks of 13 November. May 14th, Jesse Hughes responded to questions of the very conservative Taki's Magazine. An interview in which he reaffirmed his claims made last march on Fox Business in which he accused the personnel of Bataclan of complicity with the terrorists.

    If he recognized having had "huge problems for having said that the Bataclan security was in cahoots with the terrorists," he remains persuaded "that they were there earlier in the day. I remember one of them staring at one of my buddies. I had just take it for Arab jealousy." To this was added claims even more doubtful about the Muslim community.

    The statements which had not at all pleased the orgaizers of the festivals Rock en Seine and Cabaret Vert, the only two to have scheduled The Eagles of Death Metal this summer. Now maybe awaiting more cancellations..."

    So... not only do radical islamists get to shoot up one of their shows but they also get to silence EODM due to their post-attack insensitivities.

    No defender of a musician's right to speak should be ok with this. I look forward to hearing Pearl Jam's statement condemning this repression of free speech shortly.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,320
    I'd be paranoid too if I survived a massacre. He probably has PTSD
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,716
    Jason P said:

    I'd be paranoid too if I survived a massacre. He probably has PTSD

    Is he paranoid, is did a witness to the massacre legitimately see one of the shooters in the venue earlier in the day??? If the latter, then that is pretty important info, no?
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,716
    Jason P said:

    I'd be paranoid too if I survived a massacre. He probably has PTSD

    Is he paranoid, is did a witness to the massacre legitimately see one of the shooters in the venue earlier in the day??? If the latter, then that is pretty important info, no?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,320
    PJ_Soul said:

    Jason P said:

    I'd be paranoid too if I survived a massacre. He probably has PTSD

    Is he paranoid, is did a witness to the massacre legitimately see one of the shooters in the venue earlier in the day??? If the latter, then that is pretty important info, no?
    Who knows? I'd replay something like that over and over and over in my mind. Try to make sense of it all ...

    Have authorities ever said how men with machine guns were able to walk in and take position yet? What security was in place?
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,716
    Jason P said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Jason P said:

    I'd be paranoid too if I survived a massacre. He probably has PTSD

    Is he paranoid, is did a witness to the massacre legitimately see one of the shooters in the venue earlier in the day??? If the latter, then that is pretty important info, no?
    Who knows? I'd replay something like that over and over and over in my mind. Try to make sense of it all ...

    Have authorities ever said how men with machine guns were able to walk in and take position yet? What security was in place?
    I think they just said that no security was in place.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,320
    PJ_Soul said:

    Jason P said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Jason P said:

    I'd be paranoid too if I survived a massacre. He probably has PTSD

    Is he paranoid, is did a witness to the massacre legitimately see one of the shooters in the venue earlier in the day??? If the latter, then that is pretty important info, no?
    Who knows? I'd replay something like that over and over and over in my mind. Try to make sense of it all ...

    Have authorities ever said how men with machine guns were able to walk in and take position yet? What security was in place?
    I think they just said that no security was in place.
    Still, they took position before opening fire. How did they walk into the joint with AKM machine guns, past ticket takers, vendors, ushers etc?
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,320
    The Bataclan claimed his remarks "grave and defamatory", but if there indeed was no security, WTF is grave and defamatory?
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,716
    edited May 2016
    Jason P said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Jason P said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Jason P said:

    I'd be paranoid too if I survived a massacre. He probably has PTSD

    Is he paranoid, is did a witness to the massacre legitimately see one of the shooters in the venue earlier in the day??? If the latter, then that is pretty important info, no?
    Who knows? I'd replay something like that over and over and over in my mind. Try to make sense of it all ...

    Have authorities ever said how men with machine guns were able to walk in and take position yet? What security was in place?
    I think they just said that no security was in place.
    Still, they took position before opening fire. How did they walk into the joint with AKM machine guns, past ticket takers, vendors, ushers etc?
    Good question. But I guess it can happen fast. I mean, just run in and run to where you want to be... would only take seconds in a place like that. And really, most people who see masked men run in with automatic weapons they aren't stepping up to intervene. They are hitting the floor or running away. But if a shooter was in there before the venue was even open, that is another thing altogether.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,320
    edited May 2016
    PJ_Soul said:

    Jason P said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Jason P said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Jason P said:

    I'd be paranoid too if I survived a massacre. He probably has PTSD

    Is he paranoid, is did a witness to the massacre legitimately see one of the shooters in the venue earlier in the day??? If the latter, then that is pretty important info, no?
    Who knows? I'd replay something like that over and over and over in my mind. Try to make sense of it all ...

    Have authorities ever said how men with machine guns were able to walk in and take position yet? What security was in place?
    I think they just said that no security was in place.
    Still, they took position before opening fire. How did they walk into the joint with AKM machine guns, past ticket takers, vendors, ushers etc?
    Good question. But I guess it can happen fast. I mean, just run in and run to where you want to be... would only take seconds in a place like that. And really, most people who see masked men run in with automatic weapons they aren't stepping up to intervene. They are hitting the floor or running away. But if a shooter was in there before the venue was even open, that is another thing altogether.
    Wouldn't we have heard stories from terrified people in the lobby when they bum rushed the joint? I would expect a city like Paris to have security standards matching a city like NY.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,716
    Jason P said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Jason P said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Jason P said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Jason P said:

    I'd be paranoid too if I survived a massacre. He probably has PTSD

    Is he paranoid, is did a witness to the massacre legitimately see one of the shooters in the venue earlier in the day??? If the latter, then that is pretty important info, no?
    Who knows? I'd replay something like that over and over and over in my mind. Try to make sense of it all ...

    Have authorities ever said how men with machine guns were able to walk in and take position yet? What security was in place?
    I think they just said that no security was in place.
    Still, they took position before opening fire. How did they walk into the joint with AKM machine guns, past ticket takers, vendors, ushers etc?
    Good question. But I guess it can happen fast. I mean, just run in and run to where you want to be... would only take seconds in a place like that. And really, most people who see masked men run in with automatic weapons they aren't stepping up to intervene. They are hitting the floor or running away. But if a shooter was in there before the venue was even open, that is another thing altogether.
    Wouldn't we have heard stories from terrified people in the lobby when they bum rushed the joint? I would expect a city like Paris to have security standards matching a city like NY.
    Well they murdered people in the lobby. Remember the merch guy was killed at the merch table? Lobby would have been mostly empty anyhow, since the show was going on at the time. They killed a lot of people... kind of lessens the number of witnesses. :frowning:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,716
    Jason P said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Jason P said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Jason P said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Jason P said:

    I'd be paranoid too if I survived a massacre. He probably has PTSD

    Is he paranoid, is did a witness to the massacre legitimately see one of the shooters in the venue earlier in the day??? If the latter, then that is pretty important info, no?
    Who knows? I'd replay something like that over and over and over in my mind. Try to make sense of it all ...

    Have authorities ever said how men with machine guns were able to walk in and take position yet? What security was in place?
    I think they just said that no security was in place.
    Still, they took position before opening fire. How did they walk into the joint with AKM machine guns, past ticket takers, vendors, ushers etc?
    Good question. But I guess it can happen fast. I mean, just run in and run to where you want to be... would only take seconds in a place like that. And really, most people who see masked men run in with automatic weapons they aren't stepping up to intervene. They are hitting the floor or running away. But if a shooter was in there before the venue was even open, that is another thing altogether.
    Wouldn't we have heard stories from terrified people in the lobby when they bum rushed the joint? I would expect a city like Paris to have security standards matching a city like NY.
    Well they murdered people in the lobby. Remember the merch guy was killed at the merch table? Lobby would have been mostly empty anyhow, since the show was going on at the time. They killed a lot of people... kind of lessens the number of witnesses. :frowning:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,320
    PJ Soul ... you are having a case of the Trumps today!

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,716
    That is possibly the biggest insult of my life! :lol:

    (yeah, I dunno, I'm having trouble with the posting button today - keeps freezing)
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  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    The situation in France has long been precarious with regard to cultural tensions, so I can see how his comments would be deemed unhelpful, if not downright inflammatory. Yes he went through a terrible experience but that does not free him from any responsibility for his subsequent words or actions. This may sound alarmist but there's a fine line between free speech and incitement to hatred

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