*** Toronto, ON Fanviews Here 5/12/16 ***

wow from reading the description of Ed's "rampage" the people that are pissed at it will get pissed at anything. He says that the old, fat, racist, homophobic man will die soon (referring to the entire generation of old, fat, racist, homophobic men) and take their views with them. How could that offend someone unless you are an old, fat, racist, homophobic man?

From what I read, and this is paraphrasing; "that guy might die soon, and that's a good thing". so it wasn't necessarily wishing him dead, but happy about the fact he might die soon. kinda the same.

ehbacon said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

From what I read, and this is paraphrasing; "that guy might die soon, and that's a good thing". so it wasn't necessarily wishing him dead, but happy about the fact he might die soon. kinda the same.

no, I disagree. Wishing a person dead is way different. He is only happy that this guy will die soon and people like him because of their ideas, so if they didn't have those ideas he wouldn't be happy at all they were dying. Because of this, he is not happy that the person is dying, he is happy that the ideas are dying.

that seemed pretty clear to me.

Agree with you completely.

bootlegger10 said:

nycrats said:

bootlegger10 said:

abulr said:

i wasn't one of the MSG setlist complainers (esp. MSG2)...

but can we all pelase look at this one and at least appreciate/understand *why* they might have complained???

this is the best one of the tour! unreal!

What is so special about this setlist compared to others? I've been to a lot of shows and am a little jaded, but still regret missing shows sometimes and nothing about this setlist jumps out at me where I regret not going (always good to be at a show though).

Shows like Fort Lauderdale, Tampa, Jacksonville, Greenville, Lexington, Philly 2, Quebec, Toronto 1 all have outstanding setlists that in my opinion are way more interesting than last night's.

I'm not trying to bash last night's show, but find the short term memory interesting around here.

Alone
Green disease
Blood
Inside job
Brain of j
Garden
I am mine
Present tense
Breath
Oceans
Crazy Mary
Last exit

That's a dozen (great) non regulars and you get cropduster too. Rare but not my personal favorite but I really liked hearing it as it brings me back to the era of listening to that album

Just felt like the show itself had good setlist flow to work in lesser played songs and energetic takes on the hits. Was a good vibe and a nice complement to Tuesday night. If you did both these shows you were psyched.

Yeah, but I guess you could say that about a lot of shows though. And several of those songs have been played several times this tour (Blood, Brain of J, Garden, Present Tense, Breath, Oceans, Last Exit).

It all comes down to personal opinion though. I don't really like Green Disease, Inside Job, I am Mine so I'm not going to be thrilled when those are played.

Its apparent you weren't there. A pj show is more than a glance at a setlist eventhough this one had some gems. Saying they already played blood once or twice as if it makes it less special is just being a downer. This was my 6th 2016 show and myfirst blood. If I got multiple I'd have been over the moon. These guys are getting old. I'm 15 years younger and can barely rage the 3 minutes, I don't know how many more bloods these guys have left in them to perform. 2016 will be remembered as the tour people complained about oceans and garden. Yikes.

nycrats said:

bootlegger10 said:

nycrats said:

bootlegger10 said:

abulr said:

i wasn't one of the MSG setlist complainers (esp. MSG2)...

but can we all pelase look at this one and at least appreciate/understand *why* they might have complained???

this is the best one of the tour! unreal!

What is so special about this setlist compared to others? I've been to a lot of shows and am a little jaded, but still regret missing shows sometimes and nothing about this setlist jumps out at me where I regret not going (always good to be at a show though).

Shows like Fort Lauderdale, Tampa, Jacksonville, Greenville, Lexington, Philly 2, Quebec, Toronto 1 all have outstanding setlists that in my opinion are way more interesting than last night's.

I'm not trying to bash last night's show, but find the short term memory interesting around here.

Alone
Green disease
Blood
Inside job
Brain of j
Garden
I am mine
Present tense
Breath
Oceans
Crazy Mary
Last exit

That's a dozen (great) non regulars and you get cropduster too. Rare but not my personal favorite but I really liked hearing it as it brings me back to the era of listening to that album

Just felt like the show itself had good setlist flow to work in lesser played songs and energetic takes on the hits. Was a good vibe and a nice complement to Tuesday night. If you did both these shows you were psyched.

Yeah, but I guess you could say that about a lot of shows though. And several of those songs have been played several times this tour (Blood, Brain of J, Garden, Present Tense, Breath, Oceans, Last Exit).

It all comes down to personal opinion though. I don't really like Green Disease, Inside Job, I am Mine so I'm not going to be thrilled when those are played.

Its apparent you weren't there. A pj show is more than a glance at a setlist eventhough this one had some gems. Saying they already played blood once or twice as if it makes it less special is just being a downer. This was my 6th 2016 show and myfirst blood. If I got multiple I'd have been over the moon. These guys are getting old. I'm 15 years younger and can barely rage the 3 minutes, I don't know how many more bloods these guys have left in them to perform. 2016 will be remembered as the tour people complained about oceans and garden. Yikes.

2016 tour of complaining lol. Vs , ten, binaural, lost dogs galore, oceans, breath, garden and deep getting regular plays and countless other examples and some are still not happy. Chloe/ Crown again ugghhh. Whatever.

Not for You played once! It's a rarity now!

kid canada said:

I grew up playing competitive baseball with Geddy Lee's son (roughly ages 8-13). I was too young to appreciate that Geddy was famous. We played tournaments all over Ontario most weekends. Geddy was always one of the nicest and most easygoing of all the dads. Would have never known he was famous if you didn't recognize him. When I learned who he was my mind was totally blown.

That is fucking rad. So cool Geddy is sitting there side stage just taking it easy enjoying the show. I love Rush and believe he is totally down to earth. Glad PJ mentioned them, it would be cool to have them do a Rush tune next time they're in Canada... not Cygnus X-1 but maybe one of the more straight forward tunes like Limelight.

ehbacon said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

From what I read, and this is paraphrasing; "that guy might die soon, and that's a good thing". so it wasn't necessarily wishing him dead, but happy about the fact he might die soon. kinda the same.

no, I disagree. Wishing a person dead is way different. He is only happy that this guy will die soon and people like him because of their ideas, so if they didn't have those ideas he wouldn't be happy at all they were dying. Because of this, he is not happy that the person is dying, he is happy that the ideas are dying.

that seemed pretty clear to me.

ehbacon said:

wow from reading the description of Ed's "rampage" the people that are pissed at it will get pissed at anything. He says that the old, fat, racist, homophobic man will die soon (referring to the entire generation of old, fat, racist, homophobic men) and take their views with them. How could that offend someone unless you are an old, fat, racist, homophobic man?

Yes. The way our country is finally progressing, black president, gay marriage, etc is because the old racist homophobic ideas are slowly dying out with the people who hold them. The people have to die anyway... so... if their ideas do too... I mean, I think that's ok.

arghh...! I hate to be the negative person (and everyone please don't hate me) but I need to vent somewhere. I'm surprised that everyone had a completely different experience than I did. I have been going to PJ concerts since 92 and I think this was the longest concert I've seen them play but also my least favourite show. Because they didn't play shows in Toronto for their last 2 albums (they played on the Backspacer tour but before the album came out so only two songs made the set... and they didn't hit Toronto for Lightning Bolt) I was hoping that they would play more from this material I've never seen them play live.
I went in the show worried... I couldn't tickets for Night 1 and that set was right up my alley. I love Binaural and would have killed to see it played from start to finish. I was worried that after a Binaural night they would follow up with a Greatest Hits night and that's exactly what they did. They played 7 songs from Ten and only 8 songs from the set were released in this Century. There were highlights like Ocean, Alone and Breath but because most of the show was from pre-'96 it gave everything a nostalgic feel that I just couldn't get into. If they played those songs but worked in newer material the show would have flowed better. If they had just thrown in a song like Sirens or even some songs from the "Pearl Jam" album like Life Wasted I would have enjoyed it more. By the time they started playing "Black" I was like, "please! No more Ten! No more Ten!" and then they followed that up with Alive. I went to both PJ20 Toronto shows and those were far less nostalgic than last night was. A far better mix in those sets.
I know most disagree with me on this but that was just how the show played for me. So if anyone else out there was bored at the show last night you weren't alone.