Ah, I see... it's an all or nothing thing I guess, since under "my notifications" this thread doesn't show up... I guess I have to uncheck "notify when someone posts in a thread i've participated in."
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Watching the NY shows, where the music and energy have been great, but I'm tired of hearing Eddie talk politics - it's pretty easy to take shots at Trump and Cruz in the comfort of New York City, but the band had a chance to step into the fire in Raleigh and make a real statement, and they chose not to.
I hope that doesn't come off as lingering bitterness, b/c I'm not - I made the better than I expected of the situation - the cancellation allowed me a chance to go to Columbia early and walk around the city, meet some great people, made new friends, and had better seats than I would've had I gone down as originally scheduled. Nevertheless, the sting remains, and will occasionally flare up.
Watching the NY shows, where the music and energy have been great, but I'm tired of hearing Eddie talk politics - it's pretty easy to take shots at Trump and Cruz in the comfort of New York City, but the band had a chance to step into the fire in Raleigh and make a real statement, and they chose not to.
I hope that doesn't come off as lingering bitterness, b/c I'm not - I made the better than I expected of the situation - the cancellation allowed me a chance to go to Columbia early and walk around the city, meet some great people, made new friends, and had better seats than I would've had I gone down as originally scheduled. Nevertheless, the sting remains, and will occasionally flare up.
Suck it up. It's been part of the show at times, and not.
Watching the NY shows, where the music and energy have been great, but I'm tired of hearing Eddie talk politics - it's pretty easy to take shots at Trump and Cruz in the comfort of New York City, but the band had a chance to step into the fire in Raleigh and make a real statement, and they chose not to.
I hope that doesn't come off as lingering bitterness, b/c I'm not - I made the better than I expected of the situation - the cancellation allowed me a chance to go to Columbia early and walk around the city, meet some great people, made new friends, and had better seats than I would've had I gone down as originally scheduled. Nevertheless, the sting remains, and will occasionally flare up.
Pretty sure they felt that what they did WAS choosing to make a real statement. Obviously not the one you would have made, but a statement nonetheless, and clearly the one they thought would be heard the loudest (I think they were right - cancellations have had much more impact than non-cancellations where someone said something that no one who wasn't at the show even heard about).
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Pretty sure they felt that what they did WAS choosing to make a real statement. Obviously not the one you would have made, but a statement nonetheless, and clearly the one they thought would be heard the loudest (I think they were right - cancellations have had much more impact than non-cancellations where someone said something that no one who wasn't at the show even heard about).
I agree. I know the band made the decision after much thought and what they felt was best. I see both sides to the argument and initially supported the boycott decision. I've changed my mind due to several things that have happened since I returned from tour (I live in NC, so this issue will be on my mind through November), but I don't condemn their decision. Boycotts have a lot of merit to them. My post above was just some thoughts going through my head last night.
I live in NC too and was supposed to be at that show. They made a statement, yeah, but that statement was already made by The Boss.
I think its a little too easy for people out of state, that weren't planning to attend the show to give full forgiving support. What they are forgetting is the people that live here that aren't huge fans like us – that were looking forward to the show. The band could have come and given a message about HB-2 and gained MORE support. Now they have pushed away people.
A statement was made, but that doesn't mean it was a wise decision.
I live in NC too and was supposed to be at that show. They made a statement, yeah, but that statement was already made by The Boss.
I think its a little too easy for people out of state, that weren't planning to attend the show to give full forgiving support. What they are forgetting is the people that live here that aren't huge fans like us – that were looking forward to the show. The band could have come and given a message about HB-2 and gained MORE support. Now they have pushed away people.
A statement was made, but that doesn't mean it was a wise decision.
Not to mention fans that traveled across the country to see this show. I think they made a horrible decision and it screwed over a lot of their fanbase.
"There was a band playing in my head, and I felt like getting high"
Yup, once the 4th circuit court of appeals ruled on the Virginia case there was no doubt that it was only a matter of time before NC was put on notice. Nothing to do with the boycotts.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
That was my biggest issue with it. This law isn't going to last legally. No matter what Boss/PJ did, this thing is going away. The day of or after the scheduled show there was that ruling in Federal court in that case from VA that basically gives precedent that this law is illegal. Majority in NC seem to hate it, especially in the Universities and Urban areas,
But... I know the counter argument is that we cannot take it for granted and become passive/careless and expect everything to work out.
It still sucks when you realize the band you love cares more about making a political statement then taking care of its fans.
Here is the advice I am giving myself: "Take a year off of PJ shows."
Unfortunately I have too many paid for shows/travel to go to yet this year.
I just have Wrigley which has is a 2 hr drive only. I don't want to go to both nights though anymore the way the setlists have been. Sucks I have to go down there just to pick up my 10c tickets for the night my buddy will be using them
"There was a band playing in my head, and I felt like getting high"
Fortunately, I saw them in Greenville, so Raleigh was my extra show.
Raleigh is my home town and I was looking forward to bringing my wife, brother and friends. I do hope they keep their promise and make an attempt to come back this year.
This! I'm waiting for the promised show they sent in my cancellation email once the situation is/eventually resolved. So, let the planning begin and hope they at least make sure the people who had their tickets cancelled don't have to go through another lottery. Come back!
It still sucks when you realize the band you love cares more about making a political statement then taking care of its fans.
Are you saying Pearl Jam has no LGBT fans? I think they were trying to take care of them pretty well IMHO.
Are you being sarcastic. Cancelling the show didn't help anybody,LGBT or not. It only hurt the fans who paid money, made travel arrangements, and took off work months before.
"There was a band playing in my head, and I felt like getting high"
Assuming this thing is off the NC books before long. .
I wonder if it will just be put on the back burner. Raleigh will get a show on the next eastern us tour. I don't really see pj scheduling a one off show in Raleigh when they are back into their normal private lives.
I also wonder (and hope) that us lottery winners are given a right of refusal before the show (if there is a show).
Today we find out if the justice department's pressure will make a difference in HB2. No grandstanding by the non profits that have been involved in this. Just real work.
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I hope that doesn't come off as lingering bitterness, b/c I'm not - I made the better than I expected of the situation - the cancellation allowed me a chance to go to Columbia early and walk around the city, meet some great people, made new friends, and had better seats than I would've had I gone down as originally scheduled. Nevertheless, the sting remains, and will occasionally flare up.
It's been part of the show at times, and not.
I agree. I know the band made the decision after much thought and what they felt was best. I see both sides to the argument and initially supported the boycott decision. I've changed my mind due to several things that have happened since I returned from tour (I live in NC, so this issue will be on my mind through November), but I don't condemn their decision. Boycotts have a lot of merit to them. My post above was just some thoughts going through my head last night.
I think its a little too easy for people out of state, that weren't planning to attend the show to give full forgiving support. What they are forgetting is the people that live here that aren't huge fans like us – that were looking forward to the show. The band could have come and given a message about HB-2 and gained MORE support. Now they have pushed away people.
A statement was made, but that doesn't mean it was a wise decision.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/04/us/north-carolina-transgender-law-challenge/index.html?adkey=bn
maybe research next time?
But... I know the counter argument is that we cannot take it for granted and become passive/careless and expect everything to work out.
But its over anyways. Decision was made.
Unfortunately I have too many paid for shows/travel to go to yet this year.
Raleigh is my home town and I was looking forward to bringing my wife, brother and friends. I do hope they keep their promise and make an attempt to come back this year.
I'm waiting for the promised show they sent in my cancellation email once the situation is/eventually resolved. So, let the planning begin and hope they at least make sure the people who had their tickets cancelled don't have to go through another lottery.
Come back!
I wonder if it will just be put on the back burner. Raleigh will get a show on the next eastern us tour. I don't really see pj scheduling a one off show in Raleigh when they are back into their normal private lives.
I also wonder (and hope) that us lottery winners are given a right of refusal before the show (if there is a show).
I think you are right, a rescheduled show probably wont happen
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article75797387.html
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