Pearl Jam Cancels 4/20 Raleigh, NC Concert in Opposition to HB2; Official Band Statement

JP Losman

PJ_Soul said:

MayDay10 said:

Why does an oil company sponsor a music festival?

ll the fans run out and fill up at Shell gas stations after the show?

Most large corps do this stuff as part of their contribution to communities. It's no more complicated than that. Of course they do it in order to try and hold some kind of good standing in the minds of masses, and to try and place themselves at the top of the "contributing positively to society" heap among corps. Same reason banks sponsor sporting events, same reason there are corporate sponsors for non-profits. They contribute to society in order to try and maintain a reputation that isn't entirely evil. It's helps to draw in investors (not people at the pumps, who only care about convenience and prices), it helps to reduce kickback from various parties, etc. Corporate responsibility.

Wrong...its advertising.

Tim Simmons

or it can be both

dankind

PJ_Soul said:

As for the sponsors for events they play... they have never fought that fight. Fest sponsors have never been something they addressed, so why would they start now? Just because they have never fought that fight, it doesn't mean they can't fight any fight ever.

https://youtu.be/xu3yX8OnCFc

I don't know if DPZ was a sponsor or just a vendor, but Eddie Vedder literally gave them the fucking finger!

JP Losman

dankind said:

PJ_Soul said:

As for the sponsors for events they play... they have never fought that fight. Fest sponsors have never been something they addressed, so why would they start now? Just because they have never fought that fight, it doesn't mean they can't fight any fight ever.

https://youtu.be/xu3yX8OnCFc

I don't know if DPZ was a sponsor or just a vendor, but Eddie Vedder literally gave them the fucking finger!

Yea...not the same band anymore obviously. Money and fame changes people.

PJ_Soul

JP Losman said:

dankind said:

PJ_Soul said:

As for the sponsors for events they play... they have never fought that fight. Fest sponsors have never been something they addressed, so why would they start now? Just because they have never fought that fight, it doesn't mean they can't fight any fight ever.

https://youtu.be/xu3yX8OnCFc

I don't know if DPZ was a sponsor or just a vendor, but Eddie Vedder literally gave them the fucking finger!

Yea...not the same band anymore obviously. Money and fame changes people.

I saw a photo where EV was in front of a Shell logo showing attitude about it. Doesn't matter either way. In both cases they played the show.

PJ_Soul

JP Losman said:

PJ_Soul said:

MayDay10 said:

Why does an oil company sponsor a music festival?

ll the fans run out and fill up at Shell gas stations after the show?

Most large corps do this stuff as part of their contribution to communities. It's no more complicated than that. Of course they do it in order to try and hold some kind of good standing in the minds of masses, and to try and place themselves at the top of the "contributing positively to society" heap among corps. Same reason banks sponsor sporting events, same reason there are corporate sponsors for non-profits. They contribute to society in order to try and maintain a reputation that isn't entirely evil. It's helps to draw in investors (not people at the pumps, who only care about convenience and prices), it helps to reduce kickback from various parties, etc. Corporate responsibility.

Wrong...its advertising.

Well, okay that too. But as Tim said, it's both, but I would argue it's still more for investors than consumers. Social responsibility has become a major factor for investors, since they all want to appear responsible as well (I don't mean that as a positive comment btw. It's all just bullshit in the end).

mandarine65

pjtaper said:

I didn't miss it, they canceled it. I spent a lot of money and flew across the country, THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP!!!! Laugh all you want, that'll help your karma

First, you technically just lost your money to do the Raleigh-Columbia trip and the hotel in Raleigh since you were at the Columbia show.
Two, you had the chance to have enough money to flew across the country and do that over the years since you saw 150 shows.
Three, you saw the band 150 times!

I feel for the people in NC who never saw Pearl Jam and among these, those who never had the money to travel some place else.
I feel for those who never saw Pearl Jam and for whom it was the only possibility to see the band, for the first time ever.
I feel for those who never saw Pearl Jam and flew over to Raleigh to see that show and only that show.
I would be so disappointed if I were in their shoes. But you know what, most of these guys are not the one who have been bitching on the forum for over a week now. Some did and, again, I understand their disappointment. Some just suck it up and some changed plans and made their dream possible like this guy I met in the line, who just drove over because that's all his daughter wanted for her birthday.

But no, most of the bitching is coming from 30-40 year olds who just happen to see the band x times a year, each year and feel the band owes something for their devotion or whatever. Can't you just get over it, seriously, one cancelled show over 150, for political reasons from a politically involved band? That's just plain ridiculous and laughable, yeah! So does selling a record for $7500!
Good riddance from the TC!

seanwon

JP Losman said:

Yea...not the same band anymore obviously. Money and fame changes people.

As does age, experience, and maturity. I'm not rich or famous, but I'm quite different than I was 20 years ago. To blame the fact that they aren't the same anymore as they were in 1993 simply because of money and fame is quite shortsighted.

Bentleyspop

dh280236 said:

Global warming is a myth and Eddie Vedder is a shill for the New World Order.

No
Its been clearly stated on here that Eddie is part of the illuminati

mandarine65

seanwon said:

JP Losman said:

Yea...not the same band anymore obviously. Money and fame changes people.

As does age, experience, and maturity. I'm not rich or famous, but I'm quite different than I was 20 years ago. To blame the fact that they aren't the same anymore as they were in 1993 simply because of money and fame is quite shortsighted.

Especially since they were rich and famous from the very start of the band!

jordn6971

All I know is that after this I will never travel to see this band again. It's a shame.

ComeToTX

It's only a shame for you...and you're deciding to do it.

jordn6971

ComeToTX said:

It's only a shame for you...and you're deciding to do it.

I'll see them if they come to my hometown. But I won't spend money and make plans ahead of time. Trust me my money is their loss

somebodyelsessky2020

Tim Simmons said:

somebodyelsessky2020 said:

Sad thing is...there are perverts who dress up like women and go into the womens bathrooms just to sneak a peak and maybe even thinking of attempting possibly much worse. They are not lgbt or whatever, they are psychos.

proof?

I'm not sure where you live but if you really need proof this happens, here's one case of a million.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiQyufegqvMAhVhCcAKHbzRCkAQFggqMAQ&url=http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/04/01/california-man-dressed-woman-busted-videoing-womens-bathroom/&usg=AFQjCNE2Ppvfn3RT9pXxjE03Kh0z_K5-qA

somebodyelsessky2020

Tim Simmons said:

somebodyelsessky2020 said:

Sad thing is...there are perverts who dress up like women and go into the womens bathrooms just to sneak a peak and maybe even thinking of attempting possibly much worse. They are not lgbt or whatever, they are psychos.

proof?

This also happened where I once worked. It was ten years or so ago, a guy dressed as a woman was masturbating in a stall in the woman's restroom while several women were in there using it. And we all knew the guy, he worked there too but we never knew he was a cross dresser until the day he got caught.

tempo_n_groove

somebodyelsessky2020 said:

Tim Simmons said:

somebodyelsessky2020 said:

Sad thing is...there are perverts who dress up like women and go into the womens bathrooms just to sneak a peak and maybe even thinking of attempting possibly much worse. They are not lgbt or whatever, they are psychos.

proof?

This also happened where I once worked. It was ten years or so ago, a guy dressed as a woman was masturbating in a stall in the woman's restroom while several women were in there using it. And we all knew the guy, he worked there too but we never knew he was a cross dresser until the day he got caught.

He's a pervert and NOT a transgender...

JP Losman

Okay the numbers are in...the estimates are that PJ cancellation cost the state and local businesses 60K. Do you think that economic hurt was worth it?

Also, I was at the protests today. and the sentiment among protesters and the activists including people in leadership positions that I spoke to (since I cared about the topic) was that PJ playing and raising money would have made a much bigger impact. I ran into a couple disappointed PJ fans who hoped that PJ would return immediately if the bill was repealed but nobody was optimistic about it.

One funny thing about the protests was that the legalize pot people chose today too for their protests, which was bad timing as they got not attention and also they seemed very disorganized. They came off as stoner stereotypes, which I thought was funny.

jordn6971

JP Losman said:

Okay the numbers are in...the estimates are that PJ cancellation cost the state and local businesses 60K. Do you think that economic hurt was worth it?

Also, I was at the protests today. and the sentiment among protesters and the activists including people in leadership positions that I spoke to (since I cared about the topic) was that PJ playing and raising money would have made a much bigger impact. I ran into a couple disappointed PJ fans who hoped that PJ would return immediately if the bill was repealed but nobody was optimistic about it.

One funny thing about the protests was that the legalize pot people chose today too for their protests, which was bad timing as they got not attention and also they seemed very disorganized. They came off as stoner stereotypes, which I thought was funny.

I still flew in and spent money in NC. Bad move by the band. Screwed the fans when they could have done something positive.

cincybearcat

Tim Simmons said:

Its gotten to the point where some people are still so mad, I'm kinda happy they cancelled it.

There have been some really bad things said in this thread... And yet you topped them all. Way to go.

lolobugg

they should def come back and play a free show if/when the bill is repealed or struck down.
i still support their decision though.