Pearl Jam Cancels 4/20 Raleigh, NC Concert in Opposition to HB2; Official Band Statement
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Link to where games have changed location based on protest 48 hours prior to the game?BF25394 said:They most assuredly are a business. They are incorporated as such. The band are owners, not employees. Businesses make decisions like this all the time. Sports leagues have moved events out of states to protest laws that they see as discriminatory.
Offering a full refund is not "blatantly screw[ing]" over your paying customers.bootlegger10 said:They are NOT operating it as a business. I can't think of any business that blatantly screws over and uses its paying customers for political purposes. And if there are examples, I'm sure all of you on this board already hate those businesses.
I am posting this much because I think the band screwed up and need to know it. I'm not going to stop being a fan but this time they went to far in using their position of wealth and power.This show, another show, a show here and a show there.0 -
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Yep. Short blurb in a sketch. That'll get that law changed. Forget about the legal process.This show, another show, a show here and a show there.0
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The point is that I forego profit for things I believe in.bootlegger10 said:
I didn't realize politicians were going to the shows.KV4053 said:
I own a business. I've fired clients for unethical or stupid behavior.bootlegger10 said:
They are NOT operating it as a business. I can't think of any business that blatantly screws over and uses its paying customers for political purposes. And if there are examples, I'm sure all of you on this board already hate those businesses.BF25394 said:This is not a good analogy. This is not their job. This is their business. They are the owners of the business. They almost certainly will be required by contract to pay their employees (e.g., their road crew) what they would have earned despite the fact that this show did not take place.
In a corrupt world, cynicism is often justified. But is it justified here? What has this band done to make you cynical about their motives here? Do you really believe that the band made this difficult decision, which actually does take money out of their pockets, out of anything other than a sincere belief that their actions would help in the effort to undo an unjust and discriminatory law? Do you really think they made this difficult decision for "street cred." If so, why are you a fan of this band? You don't have to agree with all of their choices-- I don't-- but I don't think they have done anything that justifies questioning their motives. Do you disagree? I'm interested to know.bootlegger10 said:
What the band sacrificed is little in comparison to the impact to the 15,000 fans the band used as pawns. Not even close. Playing a concert is their job for crying out loud. Who of us wouldn't love to not go to work in protest of something and know we can just work another shift in a year or two to make up for it?BF25394 said:There's no guarantee of that. It may be a small sacrifice in your eyes, but they are sacrificing something. Whether you agree with the decision or not, it is silly to say that the artists are "sacrificing nothing" by cancelling shows from which they make a profit.
bootlegger10 said:
They'll play another show. They'll get the money back. Ed even said at PJ20 how easy it is to be in Pearl Jam now.BF25394 said:
They didn't sacrifice anything? They make money off of these shows.bootlegger10 said:Bruce and Eddie did not sacrifice anything. They didn't even sacrifice their time.
At the end of the day PJ got some more street cred out of this and more food to feed the ego.
I am posting this much because I think the band screwed up and need to know it. I'm not going to stop being a fan but this time they went to far in using their position of wealth and power.I know I was born and I know that I'll die. The in between is mine.0 -
Yes, let'sPJ_Soul said:
Well some corporations threatened to pack up and leave the state, and others threatened the same in Georgia, and it worked. So I guess some businesses do indeed do that, risking their employees jobs, etc....bootlegger10 said:
They are NOT operating it as a business. I can't think of any business that blatantly screws over and uses its paying customers for political purposes. And if there are examples, I'm sure all of you on this board already hate those businesses.BF25394 said:This is not a good analogy. This is not their job. This is their business. They are the owners of the business. They almost certainly will be required by contract to pay their employees (e.g., their road crew) what they would have earned despite the fact that this show did not take place.
In a corrupt world, cynicism is often justified. But is it justified here? What has this band done to make you cynical about their motives here? Do you really believe that the band made this difficult decision, which actually does take money out of their pockets, out of anything other than a sincere belief that their actions would help in the effort to undo an unjust and discriminatory law? Do you really think they made this difficult decision for "street cred." If so, why are you a fan of this band? You don't have to agree with all of their choices-- I don't-- but I don't think they have done anything that justifies questioning their motives. Do you disagree? I'm interested to know.bootlegger10 said:
What the band sacrificed is little in comparison to the impact to the 15,000 fans the band used as pawns. Not even close. Playing a concert is their job for crying out loud. Who of us wouldn't love to not go to work in protest of something and know we can just work another shift in a year or two to make up for it?BF25394 said:There's no guarantee of that. It may be a small sacrifice in your eyes, but they are sacrificing something. Whether you agree with the decision or not, it is silly to say that the artists are "sacrificing nothing" by cancelling shows from which they make a profit.
bootlegger10 said:
They'll play another show. They'll get the money back. Ed even said at PJ20 how easy it is to be in Pearl Jam now.BF25394 said:
They didn't sacrifice anything? They make money off of these shows.bootlegger10 said:Bruce and Eddie did not sacrifice anything. They didn't even sacrifice their time.
At the end of the day PJ got some more street cred out of this and more food to feed the ego.
I am posting this much because I think the band screwed up and need to know it. I'm not going to stop being a fan but this time they went to far in using their position of wealth and power.
But are you firing clients that did nothing wrong? Are you treating clients poorly on purpose because of something they have nothing to do with and they know it? Pearl Jam has a monopoly so they can get away with it.KV4053 said:
The point is that I forego profit for things I believe in.bootlegger10 said:
I didn't realize politicians were going to the shows.KV4053 said:
I own a business. I've fired clients for unethical or stupid behavior.bootlegger10 said:
They are NOT operating it as a business. I can't think of any business that blatantly screws over and uses its paying customers for political purposes. And if there are examples, I'm sure all of you on this board already hate those businesses.BF25394 said:This is not a good analogy. This is not their job. This is their business. They are the owners of the business. They almost certainly will be required by contract to pay their employees (e.g., their road crew) what they would have earned despite the fact that this show did not take place.
In a corrupt world, cynicism is often justified. But is it justified here? What has this band done to make you cynical about their motives here? Do you really believe that the band made this difficult decision, which actually does take money out of their pockets, out of anything other than a sincere belief that their actions would help in the effort to undo an unjust and discriminatory law? Do you really think they made this difficult decision for "street cred." If so, why are you a fan of this band? You don't have to agree with all of their choices-- I don't-- but I don't think they have done anything that justifies questioning their motives. Do you disagree? I'm interested to know.bootlegger10 said:
What the band sacrificed is little in comparison to the impact to the 15,000 fans the band used as pawns. Not even close. Playing a concert is their job for crying out loud. Who of us wouldn't love to not go to work in protest of something and know we can just work another shift in a year or two to make up for it?BF25394 said:There's no guarantee of that. It may be a small sacrifice in your eyes, but they are sacrificing something. Whether you agree with the decision or not, it is silly to say that the artists are "sacrificing nothing" by cancelling shows from which they make a profit.
bootlegger10 said:
They'll play another show. They'll get the money back. Ed even said at PJ20 how easy it is to be in Pearl Jam now.BF25394 said:
They didn't sacrifice anything? They make money off of these shows.bootlegger10 said:Bruce and Eddie did not sacrifice anything. They didn't even sacrifice their time.
At the end of the day PJ got some more street cred out of this and more food to feed the ego.
I am posting this much because I think the band screwed up and need to know it. I'm not going to stop being a fan but this time they went to far in using their position of wealth and power.0 -
No Code is great. Let's just agree on something.bootlegger10 said:
Yes, let'sPJ_Soul said:
Well some corporations threatened to pack up and leave the state, and others threatened the same in Georgia, and it worked. So I guess some businesses do indeed do that, risking their employees jobs, etc....bootlegger10 said:
They are NOT operating it as a business. I can't think of any business that blatantly screws over and uses its paying customers for political purposes. And if there are examples, I'm sure all of you on this board already hate those businesses.BF25394 said:This is not a good analogy. This is not their job. This is their business. They are the owners of the business. They almost certainly will be required by contract to pay their employees (e.g., their road crew) what they would have earned despite the fact that this show did not take place.
In a corrupt world, cynicism is often justified. But is it justified here? What has this band done to make you cynical about their motives here? Do you really believe that the band made this difficult decision, which actually does take money out of their pockets, out of anything other than a sincere belief that their actions would help in the effort to undo an unjust and discriminatory law? Do you really think they made this difficult decision for "street cred." If so, why are you a fan of this band? You don't have to agree with all of their choices-- I don't-- but I don't think they have done anything that justifies questioning their motives. Do you disagree? I'm interested to know.bootlegger10 said:
What the band sacrificed is little in comparison to the impact to the 15,000 fans the band used as pawns. Not even close. Playing a concert is their job for crying out loud. Who of us wouldn't love to not go to work in protest of something and know we can just work another shift in a year or two to make up for it?BF25394 said:There's no guarantee of that. It may be a small sacrifice in your eyes, but they are sacrificing something. Whether you agree with the decision or not, it is silly to say that the artists are "sacrificing nothing" by cancelling shows from which they make a profit.
bootlegger10 said:
They'll play another show. They'll get the money back. Ed even said at PJ20 how easy it is to be in Pearl Jam now.BF25394 said:
They didn't sacrifice anything? They make money off of these shows.bootlegger10 said:Bruce and Eddie did not sacrifice anything. They didn't even sacrifice their time.
At the end of the day PJ got some more street cred out of this and more food to feed the ego.
I am posting this much because I think the band screwed up and need to know it. I'm not going to stop being a fan but this time they went to far in using their position of wealth and power.
But are you firing clients that did nothing wrong? Are you treating clients poorly on purpose because of something they have nothing to do with and they know it? Pearl Jam has a monopoly so they can get away with it.KV4053 said:
The point is that I forego profit for things I believe in.bootlegger10 said:
I didn't realize politicians were going to the shows.KV4053 said:
I own a business. I've fired clients for unethical or stupid behavior.bootlegger10 said:
They are NOT operating it as a business. I can't think of any business that blatantly screws over and uses its paying customers for political purposes. And if there are examples, I'm sure all of you on this board already hate those businesses.BF25394 said:This is not a good analogy. This is not their job. This is their business. They are the owners of the business. They almost certainly will be required by contract to pay their employees (e.g., their road crew) what they would have earned despite the fact that this show did not take place.
In a corrupt world, cynicism is often justified. But is it justified here? What has this band done to make you cynical about their motives here? Do you really believe that the band made this difficult decision, which actually does take money out of their pockets, out of anything other than a sincere belief that their actions would help in the effort to undo an unjust and discriminatory law? Do you really think they made this difficult decision for "street cred." If so, why are you a fan of this band? You don't have to agree with all of their choices-- I don't-- but I don't think they have done anything that justifies questioning their motives. Do you disagree? I'm interested to know.bootlegger10 said:
What the band sacrificed is little in comparison to the impact to the 15,000 fans the band used as pawns. Not even close. Playing a concert is their job for crying out loud. Who of us wouldn't love to not go to work in protest of something and know we can just work another shift in a year or two to make up for it?BF25394 said:There's no guarantee of that. It may be a small sacrifice in your eyes, but they are sacrificing something. Whether you agree with the decision or not, it is silly to say that the artists are "sacrificing nothing" by cancelling shows from which they make a profit.
bootlegger10 said:
They'll play another show. They'll get the money back. Ed even said at PJ20 how easy it is to be in Pearl Jam now.BF25394 said:
They didn't sacrifice anything? They make money off of these shows.bootlegger10 said:Bruce and Eddie did not sacrifice anything. They didn't even sacrifice their time.
At the end of the day PJ got some more street cred out of this and more food to feed the ego.
I am posting this much because I think the band screwed up and need to know it. I'm not going to stop being a fan but this time they went to far in using their position of wealth and power.
I know I was born and I know that I'll die. The in between is mine.0 -
Maybe the first half, but it trails off. Kidding!KV4053 said:
No Code is great. Let's just agree on something.bootlegger10 said:
Yes, let'sPJ_Soul said:
Well some corporations threatened to pack up and leave the state, and others threatened the same in Georgia, and it worked. So I guess some businesses do indeed do that, risking their employees jobs, etc....bootlegger10 said:
They are NOT operating it as a business. I can't think of any business that blatantly screws over and uses its paying customers for political purposes. And if there are examples, I'm sure all of you on this board already hate those businesses.BF25394 said:This is not a good analogy. This is not their job. This is their business. They are the owners of the business. They almost certainly will be required by contract to pay their employees (e.g., their road crew) what they would have earned despite the fact that this show did not take place.
In a corrupt world, cynicism is often justified. But is it justified here? What has this band done to make you cynical about their motives here? Do you really believe that the band made this difficult decision, which actually does take money out of their pockets, out of anything other than a sincere belief that their actions would help in the effort to undo an unjust and discriminatory law? Do you really think they made this difficult decision for "street cred." If so, why are you a fan of this band? You don't have to agree with all of their choices-- I don't-- but I don't think they have done anything that justifies questioning their motives. Do you disagree? I'm interested to know.bootlegger10 said:
What the band sacrificed is little in comparison to the impact to the 15,000 fans the band used as pawns. Not even close. Playing a concert is their job for crying out loud. Who of us wouldn't love to not go to work in protest of something and know we can just work another shift in a year or two to make up for it?BF25394 said:There's no guarantee of that. It may be a small sacrifice in your eyes, but they are sacrificing something. Whether you agree with the decision or not, it is silly to say that the artists are "sacrificing nothing" by cancelling shows from which they make a profit.
bootlegger10 said:
They'll play another show. They'll get the money back. Ed even said at PJ20 how easy it is to be in Pearl Jam now.BF25394 said:
They didn't sacrifice anything? They make money off of these shows.bootlegger10 said:Bruce and Eddie did not sacrifice anything. They didn't even sacrifice their time.
At the end of the day PJ got some more street cred out of this and more food to feed the ego.
I am posting this much because I think the band screwed up and need to know it. I'm not going to stop being a fan but this time they went to far in using their position of wealth and power.
But are you firing clients that did nothing wrong? Are you treating clients poorly on purpose because of something they have nothing to do with and they know it? Pearl Jam has a monopoly so they can get away with it.KV4053 said:
The point is that I forego profit for things I believe in.bootlegger10 said:
I didn't realize politicians were going to the shows.KV4053 said:
I own a business. I've fired clients for unethical or stupid behavior.bootlegger10 said:
They are NOT operating it as a business. I can't think of any business that blatantly screws over and uses its paying customers for political purposes. And if there are examples, I'm sure all of you on this board already hate those businesses.BF25394 said:This is not a good analogy. This is not their job. This is their business. They are the owners of the business. They almost certainly will be required by contract to pay their employees (e.g., their road crew) what they would have earned despite the fact that this show did not take place.
In a corrupt world, cynicism is often justified. But is it justified here? What has this band done to make you cynical about their motives here? Do you really believe that the band made this difficult decision, which actually does take money out of their pockets, out of anything other than a sincere belief that their actions would help in the effort to undo an unjust and discriminatory law? Do you really think they made this difficult decision for "street cred." If so, why are you a fan of this band? You don't have to agree with all of their choices-- I don't-- but I don't think they have done anything that justifies questioning their motives. Do you disagree? I'm interested to know.bootlegger10 said:
What the band sacrificed is little in comparison to the impact to the 15,000 fans the band used as pawns. Not even close. Playing a concert is their job for crying out loud. Who of us wouldn't love to not go to work in protest of something and know we can just work another shift in a year or two to make up for it?BF25394 said:There's no guarantee of that. It may be a small sacrifice in your eyes, but they are sacrificing something. Whether you agree with the decision or not, it is silly to say that the artists are "sacrificing nothing" by cancelling shows from which they make a profit.
bootlegger10 said:
They'll play another show. They'll get the money back. Ed even said at PJ20 how easy it is to be in Pearl Jam now.BF25394 said:
They didn't sacrifice anything? They make money off of these shows.bootlegger10 said:Bruce and Eddie did not sacrifice anything. They didn't even sacrifice their time.
At the end of the day PJ got some more street cred out of this and more food to feed the ego.
I am posting this much because I think the band screwed up and need to know it. I'm not going to stop being a fan but this time they went to far in using their position of wealth and power.0 -
"Do you really think they made this difficult decision for "street cred." If so, why are you a fan of this band?"
I, personally, am a fan of this band for their music - in spite of their politics.
I don't choose the musicians I listen to based on their politics any more than I vote for a politician because he's great song and dance man.0 -
Their music is very political in nature though... Do you just choose not to listen to that half of their catalog?shecky said:"Do you really think they made this difficult decision for "street cred." If so, why are you a fan of this band?"
I, personally, am a fan of this band for their music - in spite of their politics.
I don't choose the musicians I listen to based on their politics any more than I vote for a politician because he's great song and dance man.0 -
Not hateful. Just makes no difference.This show, another show, a show here and a show there.0
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Can you imagine this happening when there was no internet lol what would you do write a letter to bitch so at least this thread lets people vent !jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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It would not have happened because the entire purpose of the cancellation was to go viral.This show, another show, a show here and a show there.0
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I wonder how the band is spending their night tonight? And if any of them have any regrets about their decision?
Tomorrow night is going to be fucking epic.Another habit says it's in love with you
Another habit says its long overdue
Another habit like an unwanted friend
I'm so happy with my righteous self0 -
I doubt the decision was unanimous.
Agree about tomorrow.This show, another show, a show here and a show there.0 -
I like your thinking!perljam said:I have a suggestion for those telling fellow fan club members " It's only money ". Pick out a random member who lost out on the NC show , and write them a check for all money lost. This way you feel all warm and fuzzy inside and everyone is happy. After all ....its only money , right ?
Forever feeling the sting of Raleigh 20160 -
Posted this in another thread, my thoughts on the discussion:
I love the band and generally stand with them in their political beliefs as a Californian....still, people have the right to vent about this. It's astounding to me that some of you will turn this into a witch hunt for the people that feel they got ripped off either directly, or indirectly. They have a tremendous reason to be upset.
Imagine the outrage if this occurred in Boston for the Fenway shows. People would be absolutely livid. It's not even a thought, but how much would someone traveling to see those shows be out? But, since it's NC, everyone is just kinda "Oh well....that's PJ.....get over it....can't wait for the East Coast shows "
People should be upset, this sets an ugly precedent.0
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