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  • CopperTom
    CopperTom Posts: 3,146
    Dr. Delight said:

    That "I wont" song is some pretty dark stuff.

    Does a recording of this exist?
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  • Fastrichie
    Fastrichie Sandy Hook, CT Posts: 921
    edited March 2016
    I know there is a recording of the stuffins demos. Was told about them back in 2011. I think the recording of owner of a lonely heart is with Dave Krusen on drums. There was an interview with him during the PJ20 stuff where he said he remembered playing the song and it was awesome.
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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,211
    They are in the hands of exactly the right guy

    Great work Allon
  • CopperTom
    CopperTom Posts: 3,146
    pdalowsky said:

    They are in the hands of exactly the right guy

    Great work Allon

    Does that imply they will be shared soon?
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  • Fastrichie
    Fastrichie Sandy Hook, CT Posts: 921
    I hope so!
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  • cockage
    cockage Posts: 465
    in an effort to try and answer as many questions as possible with one post, here are some brief thoughts / insights to these tapes and their contents:

    - while i consider myself pretty well versed in all thats out there in terms of audio, there is very little on these tapes that i have heard previously. The only thing, outside of a few tracks on the Vitalogy tapes, that ive heard previously is the recording of Out Of My Mind. Its the same version as the single, however, these versions include the small bit of Ed talking after the track saying "I dont know what that was...." that was cut off the single. (Side point - the cassette is labeled as 4/1/94, but the original version of Out Of My Mind was recorded on 4/2/94 and then later played on 4/6/94 and of course in Philly '09 as well, so i assume it was added to the tape later on)... Taken a step further, that means the following....

    - Speed Wash is not from the main set of the New Years 1992 show. While this track doesnt sound like it was taken from the studio, we all know Speed Wash has only been played at this show, meaning that this track is possibly from the soundcheck to that show. Also, the track is only 90 seconds long and starts in the middle of the song, but its amazing (and quality is shloads better than the audio we all have of the one played during the show itself).

    - Smells Like Teen Spirit is recorded in the studio. Its not the full song, but longer than any other version that they've teased over the years. Its coupled with a version of Suggestion (Fugazi) and is about 45-50 seconds in length. Again, one of the best things included on these tapes (and kicks right into a filthy version of Once).

    - Hold On from the Demo '91 tape is an acoustic version and different than the one included in the VS. reissue. Very cool to see it included on their first demo tape. Speaking of which....

    - Demo '91 tape includes the finished versions of Hold On and Angel, but also includes 4x instrumentals. Of those 4x instrumentals, i wouldnt be surprised if you told me that 2x of them (or at least parts) were written by Mad Season or Alice in Chains. Very interesting to hear...

    - certain tracks were labeled with different song titles including Circus (Bugs), Tortured (Angel), Africa / African Groove (Aye Davanita) and Policeman (W.M.A.)

    - my personal favorite tracks from these tapes are the 2x versions of Immortality, which both include alternate lyrics to the final released version as well as the versions played in Boston on 4.10 + 4.11.94. Both versions are studio quality; W.M.A. (from tape labeled Dave Mix - Policeman) includes 6-7 versions of the song different from the final released version. They all include an added verse in the beginning of the song with only drums in the background. Each version included on this tape is roughly 7:30 long....; Dirty Frank - there are a few versions included on these tapes, all of which include slightly different lyrics and are all extended versions (each clocks in around 6:30 long as compared to the released version which is 5:30).

    - Everyone always mentions how Stone was the one driving the band in the early days...Id had always heard that but who knows what that actually means.....However, after listening to these tapes, it became quite evident.....While the music stops in the studio, the first voice you always hear with notes, direction, etc..is Stone. He is very, very vocal on these tapes and really helped me understand all those things ive been hearing for years....

    - the intro that we all associate with the album version of Betterman is included on these tapes as well, but its the intro to Spin the Black Circle. Very cool. Its those small changes that get me out of bed in the morning.

    - As mentioned earlier in this thread, I Won't is included on one of the tapes

    - includes a bunch of versions of Cready Stomp (plus lots of other jams / instrumentals)

    - overall, there are over 150 individual tracks clocking in at over 12 hours of playback.

    - Yes, this is the greatest thing i have ever come across in regard to PJ audio. There is nothing, in my humble opinion, in the same stratosphere as these tapes that ive heard. Im sure more is out there, but i havent been lucky enough to come across any of it....If anyone has anything like this (or anything of note), send me a message and lets talk....

    I know this is a long post, but lots of goodness is contained within. There are a few more things to note (Angel tape / lyrics / versions, Stuffins 1 and 2, etc...but ill get to those soon)....

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,876
    ^ It's like Allon found the Dead Sea Scrolls...
  • LukinFan
    LukinFan Florida Posts: 29,119
    pdalowsky said:

    They are in the hands of exactly the right guy

    Great work Allon

    Allon is all things awesome
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  • jjflash
    jjflash Posts: 5,031
    cockage said:

    in an effort to try and answer as many questions as possible with one post, here are some brief thoughts / insights to these tapes and their contents:

    I know this is a long post, but lots of goodness is contained within. There are a few more things to note (Angel tape / lyrics / versions, Stuffins 1 and 2, etc...but ill get to those soon)....

    Kadang! Excellent info Allon, thanks for sharing :sunglasses:
  • Fastrichie
    Fastrichie Sandy Hook, CT Posts: 921
    Thank you for the info! These sound incredible. What is on the tape that says Vitalogy/ Zep? I see the track listing but was just wondering how the "Zep" part fits in!

    Thanks again,
    Rich
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  • cockage
    cockage Posts: 465
    great question. when i originally saw that tape, i was through the roof thinking about what could / would be on it....However, when i opened it up, i saw that originally it was a Zeppelin tape that was taped over....So, after the entirety of Vitalogy was overdubbed, it cuts right back into Zeppelin. Here is a picture of the inside of that tape cover to help illustrate my point....(its similar to the Angel tape where you can see that Ed recorded over Paula Abdul's Spellbound. Right after that version of Angel, it kicks right back into Paula.....)

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  • Fastrichie
    Fastrichie Sandy Hook, CT Posts: 921
    edited March 2016
    Lol! Thanks for responding! I was dreaming of some fun stuff being on there!
    I had heard a few years back that the take of owner of a lonely heart was killer.
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  • cockage
    cockage Posts: 465
    you've heard correctly. That version of Owner is great and does end with Ed saying the following: "Hey Rick (Parasher), you can never tell anyone we ever did that". Also, included on that tape (Stuffins) is a great demo of Leash which starts with a classic Ed scream reminiscent of the Evenflow single (although the Leash scream is about 5-6 seconds longer...)
  • Fastrichie
    Fastrichie Sandy Hook, CT Posts: 921
    Is Dave krusen on drums for owner? I think I remember hearing him talk about it in an interview a while back. He said it was a great take.
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  • steved
    steved Posts: 657
    Amazing stuff.... Can't wait to hear more details and eventually hear it.. The extra verse of W.M.A. with only the drums has me salivating!!!
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  • RS151862
    RS151862 Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,725
    Any chance you'll make this available to us? I, along with everyone else I'm sure, would love to hear it.
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  • jjflash
    jjflash Posts: 5,031
    Any songs other than 'Real Thing' on the Cypress Hill "A Zip A Tally" cassette?
  • cockage
    cockage Posts: 465
    Bit tough for me to say definitively about the drummer on Owner. Could easily be Krusen, especially if you've seen an interview which he takes credit for it.

    The W.M.A. is killer. One of the real highlights of these tapes.

    Cypress Hill - the tape only includes that track, but the track itself doesnt include the main vocal track. Rather, just the bass line, drums and background vocals of "A Zip A Tally". Also includes the "na, na, na, etc..." at the end. The track is just over 3 minutes long. The Judgement Night soundtrack was ultimately released on September 14, 1993 and this tape is dated prior at May 5, 1993.
  • CopperTom
    CopperTom Posts: 3,146
    RS151862 said:

    Any chance you'll make this available to us? I, along with everyone else I'm sure, would love to hear it.

    Yes, please! :-D
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    What does "I won t" sound like? Immortality esque?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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