Brussels Belgium attacks.

gimmesometruth27 · March 2016

rr165892 said:

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blueandwhite said:
It amazes me that the United States can and does spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a military industrial complex to fight these terrorists yet they continue sit on their hands when it comes to gun violence. All things told, terrorism isn't really a big issue in North America yet we always hear about it and how the world needs to act. If the US put all of that money and effort into solving its own problems instead of intervening in the affairs of foreign states you would think that it would be an infinitely better nation for it.

Here's a simple idea when it comes to terrorism; respect the victims; condemn the terrorists and recognize that the overwhelming majority of Muslims aren't terrorists or killers. That's it. Spending billions bombing the snot out of the Middle East isn't going to do anything for you unless you're an executive for an weapons manufacturer. It's simply money that would be better spent elsewhere.
Add clapping emojy thing here.
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here here!

it is funny that we feel the need to get involved in terrorism half a world away. we are told how big of a problem it is and whatnot. i get criticized all the time for saying isis is not our problem and we need to stay out of it.

someone shoots 20 people here in the us and we are told to shut up because it is all part of living in america.

does anyone see the faulty logic there?
Yes.they are two different(but horrible) issues.
And Americans were directly targeted in that attack so it IS our issue.

so go fight.

you can't want smaller government and less spending AND be world police at the same time.

gimmesometruth27 · March 2016

rr165892 said:

Yes.they are two different(but horrible) issues.
And Americans were directly targeted in that attack so it IS our issue.

how are they different?

we are all shocked and saddened by what happened in france and belgium, but we have several mini frances in this country in a month.

gimmesometruth27 · March 2016

rr165892 said:

Yes.they are two different(but horrible) issues.
And Americans were directly targeted in that attack so it IS our issue.

how are they different?

we are all shocked and saddened by what happened in france and belgium, but we have several mini frances in this country in a month.

blueandwhite · March 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

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blueandwhite said:
It amazes me that the United States can and does spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a military industrial complex to fight these terrorists yet they continue sit on their hands when it comes to gun violence. All things told, terrorism isn't really a big issue in North America yet we always hear about it and how the world needs to act. If the US put all of that money and effort into solving its own problems instead of intervening in the affairs of foreign states you would think that it would be an infinitely better nation for it.

Here's a simple idea when it comes to terrorism; respect the victims; condemn the terrorists and recognize that the overwhelming majority of Muslims aren't terrorists or killers. That's it. Spending billions bombing the snot out of the Middle East isn't going to do anything for you unless you're an executive for an weapons manufacturer. It's simply money that would be better spent elsewhere.
It's not yet because it's over "there".
Come on, what will you be saying when the next thread on AMT reads "(insert USA city here) rocked by 3 bombers, mass casualties ISIS claims it.
How many more incidents like these will it take to make people open their eyes and say wow we have a major problem here.
Sitting back and watching the news about others getting blown to bits in the name of wahochocolate bar and not saying there is a problem is not respecting the victims.

Talk about fear mongering. Gun crimes and health issues are already very real yet more often than not, nothing is done. Conversely terrorism has been a relative non-issue but you're prepared to dump trillions of dollars carpet bombing the Middle East, an act which seems to be completely ineffective and absurdly costly. You are far more likely to die in a car accident or be killed in a local gun crime than you are to be murdered by terrorists. America's response to terrorism is ridiculously heavy-handed and speaks more of governmental prejudice than anything else.

Did you ever consider that an armed response might simply lead to escalation rather than solving the problem? I'm not sure, but it seems that the end game you seem to be looking forward to is genocide because short of that you won't stop isolated acts of islamic terrorism. Killing hundreds of thousands in the Middle East is not respecting the victims either.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · March 2016

gimmesometruth27 said:

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PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
for all the "we need to do something about the terrorists" folk on here, serious question:

what is the solution to stopping these attacks?
I don't know the immediate solution but for now a reactionary stance is all we can be in for now.
We all know there will be another incident coming so in the meantime we need to react to this recent one with force and one thing in mind - obliterate all people who share the same ideology as the ones who did this.

Doesn't matter theories on why certain groups exist - it has reached the point where the makers can no longer be controlled. We are watching each other get killed but no one wants to war these thugs out.

edit - Of course you could elect trump and see what happens.
advocating murder on a pearl jam forum. nice.

sounds like something one of them turrists would say.
cmon, really?

yep.

your words.

Obliterate that way of thinking all together. (ISIS). There is no rebuttal to say otherwise.
War is not just physical.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · March 2016

gimmesometruth27 said:

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rr165892 said:

Yes.they are two different(but horrible) issues.
And Americans were directly targeted in that attack so it IS our issue.
how are they different?

we are all shocked and saddened by what happened in france and belgium, but we have several mini frances in this country in a month.

mini frances?
What terrorist activities do you have more of?

Drowned Out · March 2016

Obliterate a way of thinking?!

Good luck with that.
Besides, isn't that what 'they' want to do?

Last page shawshank said Islam has a problem with violence....the US is responsible in whole or in part for more than 4 million deaths in that region, and that's only goung back a couple decades. Mostly Islamic brown people. That's genocide, and it's just one corner of the world. The fact that it's pretty much the opposite corner of the world should speak to justification a little, no? And it's Islam that has a problem with violence....lost, indeed.

tempo_n_groove · March 2016

Drowned Out said:

Obliterate a way of thinking?!
Good luck with that.
Besides, isn't that what 'they' want to do?

Last page shawshank said Islam has a problem with violence....the US is responsible in whole or in part for more than 4 million deaths in that region, and that's only goung back a couple decades. Mostly Islamic brown people. That's genocide, and it's just one corner of the world. The fact that it's pretty much the opposite corner of the world should speak to justification a little, no? And it's Islam that has a problem with violence....lost, indeed.

4,000,000 deaths? Is that a fact? Wow.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · March 2016

Drowned Out said:

Obliterate a way of thinking?!
Good luck with that.
Besides, isn't that what 'they' want to do?

How do you instill a mind that it is not all right to kill people that don't agree with you?

Drowned Out · March 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

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Drowned Out said:

Obliterate a way of thinking?!
Good luck with that.
Besides, isn't that what 'they' want to do?

How do you instill a mind that it is not all right to kill people that don't agree with you?

Good question.
Could start by not funding, arming, and training their leaders, I guess?
Has to happen over time. Better living conditions result in better minds.
How do we Instill in a mind that it is not ok to support war based on what your government mouth pieces tell you? Same thing on both sides.

Drowned Out · March 2016

tempo_n_groove said:

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Drowned Out said:

Obliterate a way of thinking?!
Good luck with that.
Besides, isn't that what 'they' want to do?

Last page shawshank said Islam has a problem with violence....the US is responsible in whole or in part for more than 4 million deaths in that region, and that's only goung back a couple decades. Mostly Islamic brown people. That's genocide, and it's just one corner of the world. The fact that it's pretty much the opposite corner of the world should speak to justification a little, no? And it's Islam that has a problem with violence....lost, indeed.
4,000,000 deaths? Is that a fact? Wow.

If you count the iraq sanctions, that's the high end of the running estimate.

gimmesometruth27 · March 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

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rr165892 said:

Yes.they are two different(but horrible) issues.
And Americans were directly targeted in that attack so it IS our issue.
how are they different?

we are all shocked and saddened by what happened in france and belgium, but we have several mini frances in this country in a month.
mini frances?
What terrorist activities do you have more of?

premeditated mass shootings.

people shoot up their work and shoot up schools all the time here. is that any more or less terrible than what happened in france?

i said MINI frances. not on the scale of what happened in paris, but a smaller scale.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · March 2016

Drowned Out said:

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PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Drowned Out said:

Obliterate a way of thinking?!
Good luck with that.
Besides, isn't that what 'they' want to do?

How do you instill a mind that it is not all right to kill people that don't agree with you?
Good question.
Could start by not funding, arming, and training their leaders, I guess?
Has to happen over time. Better living conditions result in better minds.
How do we Instill in a mind that it is not ok to support war based on what your government mouth pieces tell you? Same thing on both sides.

Yes good point.
But throw the old religion shit behind a reason to kill then I'm sorry your credibility is zero.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · March 2016

gimmesometruth27 said:

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gimmesometruth27 said:

rr165892 said:

Yes.they are two different(but horrible) issues.
And Americans were directly targeted in that attack so it IS our issue.
how are they different?

we are all shocked and saddened by what happened in france and belgium, but we have several mini frances in this country in a month.
mini frances?
What terrorist activities do you have more of?
premeditated mass shootings.

people shoot up their work and shoot up schools all the time here. is that any more or less terrible than what happened in france?

i said MINI frances. not on the scale of what happened in paris, but a smaller scale.

I guess you guys have an American problem because last the world hears is that none were terror related.

gimmesometruth27 · March 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

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gimmesometruth27 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

rr165892 said:

Yes.they are two different(but horrible) issues.
And Americans were directly targeted in that attack so it IS our issue.
how are they different?

we are all shocked and saddened by what happened in france and belgium, but we have several mini frances in this country in a month.
mini frances?
What terrorist activities do you have more of?
premeditated mass shootings.

people shoot up their work and shoot up schools all the time here. is that any more or less terrible than what happened in france?

i said MINI frances. not on the scale of what happened in paris, but a smaller scale.
I guess you guys have an American problem because last the world hears is that none were terror related.

mass shootings are acts of terror.

gimmesometruth27 · March 2016

i can't believe i have to try to explain that you.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · March 2016

gimmesometruth27 said:
i can't believe i have to try to explain that you.

I am talking about what the current media describes as terror.

gimmesometruth27 · March 2016

http://time.com/4136457/terrorism-definition/

PJfanwillneverleave1 · March 2016

gimmesometruth27 said:
http://time.com/4136457/terrorism-definition/

There is confusion because at times certain groups step up if you will and take credit for the terror they caused.
Other times they are left out of the news, which is it?

gimmesometruth27 · March 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

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gimmesometruth27 said:
http://time.com/4136457/terrorism-definition/
There is confusion because at times certain groups step up if you will and take credit for the terror they caused.
Other times they are left out of the news, which is it?

who has confusion?

did you read the article?

Brussels Belgium attacks.

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