first encore or... second set

TheGhost
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I think it's time to acknowledge that the first encore is really the second set. Thoughts?
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  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    Thank you! I've been calling it a set since . . . it's always been a set.
  • TheGhost
    TheGhost Posts: 538
    what dreams said:

    Thank you! I've been calling it a set since . . . it's always been a set.

    From now on it's "set 2" for me! and I aint hootin and hollerin like they're not going to come back out!
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  • buck502000
    buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
    It doesn't matter what you call it, when they give you 30+ songs every night. ;)
  • jniko
    jniko Posts: 313
    Not a set. The set lists clearly state first encore after the 1st set.
  • EarlWelsh
    EarlWelsh Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,127
    jniko said:

    Not a set. The set lists clearly state first encore after the 1st set.

    Lieutenant Literal over here
  • ceska
    ceska New York Posts: 1,153
    If they come back and play 17 songs, yes, then 2nd set. If they come back and play the usual 7-8-9 songs, then it's first encore.
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    An encore is one to three songs. After the performer is done and the fans clap loud enough for them to come back out.

    So basically Pearl Jam PLANS not only one, but two encores in advance, for when we clap so loud for them to come back because we actually think they're finished when they leave the first time? And then the second and third encore put together run as long as the originally single planned set?

    This is a really silly argument to defend.
  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,506
    I just call the whole thing a "show" and leave it at that. :smiley:
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  • SVRDhand13
    SVRDhand13 Posts: 27,023
    both- they're interchangeable
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  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,955
    buck502000 said:

    It doesn't matter what you call it, when they give you 30+ songs every night. ;)

    Exactly. They can call it whatever the hell they want.
  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    Call it what you want I just know when they leave the stage the first time they are coming back...they have been doing this too long for us not to expect it, but love how the crowd still cheers for them to come back
  • mattcoz
    mattcoz Chicago Posts: 2,243
    But what about when they only do one encore? Is that two sets and no encores or one set and one encore? What about three encores? Three sets and one encore or two sets and two encores? These are important questions!
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  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    Tell me the last time there weren't three sets. And the third set truly has become predictable . . . Alive, RITFW, YL with another leading song or two thrown in as a bone. Cue Ed throwing out some tambourines. The second set is the slow, sit down set with the interaction with children on the rail or Ed giving some speech about the meaning of life. Set 2 usually ends with Curdoroy, SOLAT, or Rearviewmirror or a combination of. The first set is the only interesting part of the show for me anymore where I can't predict what will happen next. Every show since Backspacer has followed this pattern, save Moline and the Yield concert.

    It's true anyone can call it what they want but nobody can argue that it hasn't become mostly predictable that there will be three groups of songs. First group balls on fire, second group slow tempo, third group the only one that can in any way be called an encore.
  • wndowpayne
    wndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    edited March 2016
    Encore is being done but the crowd pulls you back.not pre-planned..PJ plays sets..
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  • jamburger
    jamburger Posts: 1,775
    Wouldn't there normally be a planned intermission between sets?
  • choop
    choop Posts: 1,060
    jamburger said:

    Wouldn't there normally be a planned intermission between sets?

    in the world of jambands, sure. pearl jam's first "encore" isn't really an encore though, but i agree most aren't long enough to be a true second set either. think eddie just has a smoke and grabs a new bottle of wine, so it's like a break at work or something. ha.
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  • KC138045
    KC138045 Columbus, OH Posts: 2,716
    I've always considered them encores even though they are planned. I think all bands plan on coming back out for at-least one encore. The only time I've seen PJ come back out unplanned(at least I don't think it was) was in Columbus '03 when they came back out and played YB. I think Fucking Up was supposed to be the closer.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,464
    Six or one half dozen.....
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  • mattcoz
    mattcoz Chicago Posts: 2,243
    what dreams said:

    Tell me the last time there weren't three sets.

    Any festival show. Does Wrigley count? Technically the first set was split up by the rain delay and then they only played one encore. The only other shows I've been to that was only two sets were the Ice Bowl and when they opened for Tom Petty.
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  • BrainofBGA
    BrainofBGA Australia Posts: 4,576
    I remember a PJ show I went to here in Melbourne, maybe the '06 tour and people around me started to leave after the main set, and I heard one person questioning whether they'd come back on, and being excited when they did, it was if it was like they weren't expecting an encore.

    Maybe the band basically need to play two mini shows.

    Imagine opening with release in the second 'set'
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