Obamas Middle East Policy led to Paris and Brussels?

BS44325 · March 2016

Obama didn't cause this problem but withdrawal from Iraq absolutely made it worse and his Libyan policy absolutely made it worse.

brianlux · March 2016

Obama did it. Got it. More rancid comments. Adios amigos!

Cliffy6745 · March 2016

BS44325 said:
Obama didn't cause this problem but withdrawal from Iraq absolutely made it worse and his Libyan policy absolutely made it worse.

And the other option was nation building? How would that have worked after a decade of being there?

BS44325 · March 2016

Cliffy6745 said:

BS44325 said:
Obama didn't cause this problem but withdrawal from Iraq absolutely made it worse and his Libyan policy absolutely made it worse.
And the other option was nation building? How would that have worked after a decade of being there?

With security provided by a professional fighting force a moderate populace is able to rise up and weed out the extremists. The mistake was thinking this was just a 10 year project. Something like this would take at least one generation such as Germany and Japan.

josevolution · March 2016

BS44325 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

BS44325 said:
Obama didn't cause this problem but withdrawal from Iraq absolutely made it worse and his Libyan policy absolutely made it worse.
And the other option was nation building? How would that have worked after a decade of being there?
With security provided by a professional fighting force a moderate populace is able to rise up and weed out the extremists. The mistake was thinking this was just a 10 year project. Something like this would take at least one generation such as Germany and Japan.

You say Germany & Japan did we stay there after the war and bring democracy way of life to them or did we leave them to pick up the pieces ?

BS44325 · March 2016

josevolution said:

BS44325 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

BS44325 said:
Obama didn't cause this problem but withdrawal from Iraq absolutely made it worse and his Libyan policy absolutely made it worse.
And the other option was nation building? How would that have worked after a decade of being there?
With security provided by a professional fighting force a moderate populace is able to rise up and weed out the extremists. The mistake was thinking this was just a 10 year project. Something like this would take at least one generation such as Germany and Japan.
You say Germany & Japan did we stay there after the war and bring democracy way of life to them or did we leave them to pick up the pieces ?

You are still there now.

Cliffy6745 · March 2016

BS44325 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

BS44325 said:
Obama didn't cause this problem but withdrawal from Iraq absolutely made it worse and his Libyan policy absolutely made it worse.
And the other option was nation building? How would that have worked after a decade of being there?
With security provided by a professional fighting force a moderate populace is able to rise up and weed out the extremists. The mistake was thinking this was just a 10 year project. Something like this would take at least one generation such as Germany and Japan.

There is no possible way a generation long occupation was going to happen, especially with a global economy in tatters.

BS44325 · March 2016

Cliffy6745 said:

BS44325 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

BS44325 said:
Obama didn't cause this problem but withdrawal from Iraq absolutely made it worse and his Libyan policy absolutely made it worse.
And the other option was nation building? How would that have worked after a decade of being there?
With security provided by a professional fighting force a moderate populace is able to rise up and weed out the extremists. The mistake was thinking this was just a 10 year project. Something like this would take at least one generation such as Germany and Japan.
There is no possible way a generation long occupation was going to happen, especially with a global economy in tatters.

Nobody thought it was possible after World War 2 either but sometimes we must do what is necessary.

callen · March 2016

dmaradona10 said:

callen said:

dmaradona10 said:
Recently, I watched a PBS documentary on what seemingly looks like a disastrous Obama foreign policy on the Israeli and Palestinian conflict. Pundits criticize his reaction (or lack thereof) to ISIS and terrorist attacks around the world. According to critics, Obama and his staff have a difficult time even using the word "terrorism." What will Obama's foreign policy legacy be?
If possible, I'm hoping for an honest civilized discussion...
Obama didn't cause this mess. Really? You willing to take your ass to Syria and fight? Your family? What's your solution?
Nice Ad Hom attacks. You take everything so personally? I didn't even word this subject as my opinion. Weak sauce.

Okay true. Need to watch this. Front lines pretty spot on most of the time.

Now as you've offered up this post, do you feel Obama's responsible? What are your solutions? Do you feel Obama has trouble saying terrorism?

callen · March 2016

BS44325 said:
Obama didn't cause this problem but withdrawal from Iraq absolutely made it worse and his Libyan policy absolutely made it worse.

What would you have done different?

Gern Blansten · March 2016

I think Obama is calling Saudi Arabia's bluff...if they want something done about it they can do it. Why send American's to fight and die in their war?

There isn't anything that an American President can do about suicide bombers in Europe. Give me a break.

Bentleyspop · March 2016

brianlux said:
Obama did it. Got it. More rancid comments. Adios amigos!

Brian you're a smart guy so you of all people should be aware that President Obama is to blame for everything that has ever gone wrong in this country and around the world. Back to and including the crucifixtion.

Get with it man!! :joker:

Wobbie · March 2016

dmaradona10 said:
Recently, I watched a PBS documentary on what seemingly looks like a disastrous Obama foreign policy on the Israeli and Palestinian conflict. Pundits criticize his reaction (or lack thereof) to ISIS and terrorist attacks around the world. According to critics, Obama and his staff have a difficult time even using the word "terrorism." What will Obama's foreign policy legacy be?
If possible, I'm hoping for an honest civilized discussion...

sure you are.

"it's all Obama's fault"

rr165892 · March 2016

Dmaradoma,have you not been paying attention?

Here is what you need to remember when you ask a question of all my super liberal,Obama loving,soap box preaching friends on these boards.

They Think

-Trump and Republicans are the devil
-Conservatives are stupid greedy people.
-Entitlements rule.Everyone should get milk from the govt titty.
-Israel sucks
-It's all Americas and the wests fault.Always!!!!
-Most terrorist attacks can be excused because someone Did the Islamic fundamentalists wrong somewhere along the way.So it's totally understandable.
-Profit is a bad word
-Did I mention the hate for Israel and love for anything Palestinian?
-You should have white guilt.
- Cops are bad,evil people but Thugs who commit crimes and get shot are cherub like angels.
-Bushs fault
- protesters Rock
There are many more I can add ,but that should get you going on the right track.

That said I agree Obamas foreign policy has been horrible.

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Wobbie · March 2016

how was Bush's foreign policy?

callen · March 2016

rr165892 said:
Dmaradoma,have you not been paying attention?

Here is what you need to remember when you ask a question of all my super liberal,Obama loving,soap box preaching friends on these boards.

They Think

-Trump and Republicans are the devil
-Conservatives are stupid greedy people.
-Entitlements rule.Everyone should get milk from the govt titty.
-Israel sucks
-It's all Americas and the wests fault.Always!!!!
-Most terrorist attacks can be excused because someone Did the Islamic fundamentalists wrong somewhere along the way.So it's totally understandable.
-Profit is a bad word
-Did I mention the hate for Israel and love for anything Palestinian?
-You should have white guilt.
- Cops are bad,evil people but Thugs who commit crimes and get shot are cherub like angels.
-Bushs fault
- protesters Rock
There are many more I can add ,but that should get you going on the right track.

That said I agree Obamas foreign policy has been horrible.

-

How is Obama's foreign policy horrible? What would you of done different?

HughFreakingDillon · March 2016

rr165892 said:
Dmaradoma,have you not been paying attention?

Here is what you need to remember when you ask a question of all my super liberal,Obama loving,soap box preaching friends on these boards.

They Think

-Trump and Republicans are the devil
-Conservatives are stupid greedy people.
-Entitlements rule.Everyone should get milk from the govt titty.
-Israel sucks
-It's all Americas and the wests fault.Always!!!!
-Most terrorist attacks can be excused because someone Did the Islamic fundamentalists wrong somewhere along the way.So it's totally understandable.
-Profit is a bad word
-Did I mention the hate for Israel and love for anything Palestinian?
-You should have white guilt.
- Cops are bad,evil people but Thugs who commit crimes and get shot are cherub like angels.
-Bushs fault
- protesters Rock
There are many more I can add ,but that should get you going on the right track.

That said I agree Obamas foreign policy has been horrible.

-

I'd retort with the exact opposite for all the con's on the train, but that would be simplistic and idiotic.

dmaradona10 · March 2016

Cliffy6745 said:
I posted a significant article that very specifically highlights his entire foreign policy and view.

I think he is much more reactive to actual terrorism than his predecessor. Just because we are not in wars does not mean he isn't heavily invested in killing these fuckers.

Occupation does nothing to fight terrorism and just creates more terrorists.

Good point.

tempo_n_groove · March 2016

Cliffy6745 said:

dmaradona10 said:
I guess there is no chance for an "honest and civilized" discussion on this with these comments.
Check out this article

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/

I view this very positively. He wants nothing to do with the Middle East.

The person who wrote this must love to hear himself talk...

I got half way through it and had to stop. I'll try and finish it later.

rr165892 · March 2016

callen said:

rr165892 said:
Dmaradoma,have you not been paying attention?

Here is what you need to remember when you ask a question of all my super liberal,Obama loving,soap box preaching friends on these boards.

They Think

-Trump and Republicans are the devil
-Conservatives are stupid greedy people.
-Entitlements rule.Everyone should get milk from the govt titty.
-Israel sucks
-It's all Americas and the wests fault.Always!!!!
-Most terrorist attacks can be excused because someone Did the Islamic fundamentalists wrong somewhere along the way.So it's totally understandable.
-Profit is a bad word
-Did I mention the hate for Israel and love for anything Palestinian?
-You should have white guilt.
- Cops are bad,evil people but Thugs who commit crimes and get shot are cherub like angels.
-Bushs fault
- protesters Rock
There are many more I can add ,but that should get you going on the right track.

That said I agree Obamas foreign policy has been horrible.

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How is Obama's foreign policy horrible? What would you of done different?

I don't have to much of an issue with Iran deal or Cuba.Both are solid(for now).And for the record I agree with him on the Supreme Court Nomination even though that is not foreign policy.just sayin.

His hands off policy in the Middle East,Isreal And how he handles some of our closest allies are what I have the most issue with.I think we could also be a little more proactive in certain regions of conflict and we have been slow to react on other isolated issues.
Im not saying Bush or Clinton were without fault.But that's rear view mirror.

Obamas Middle East Policy led to Paris and Brussels?

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