Horse Racing
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I am not a fan at all. I agree, it IS fun to go. I've been. But yeah, just the whole idea of big crowds of people getting together and using animals for entertainment like that bothers me a lot, and I don't go to the races, and I certainly won't go to rodeos, and even trail riding places bother me.... For some reason, I don't feel as strongly about equestrian .... never even thought about it until now actually. I used to do equestrian too, in fact. The horses were all just so well taken care of, and it was more about the relationship between the horse and its rider than it was about other people who happened to be observing...... I guess I'm a hypocrite if I am more accepting of equestrian. Oh well.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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What I know and have seen and what little riding I've done (maybe four times), equestrian (I assume you mean riding) seems like a whole other world from racing and other aggressive uses of horses. I've known and know people with horses and they seem to be very conscientious of the horses' well being and the horses I've met all seemed content and healthy. Never have had the space for one myself.PJ_Soul said:I am not a fan at all. I agree, it IS fun to go. I've been. But yeah, just the whole idea of big crowds of people getting together and using animals for entertainment like that bothers me a lot, and I don't go to the races, and I certainly won't go to rodeos, and even trail riding places bother me.... For some reason, I don't feel as strongly about equestrian .... never even thought about it until now actually. I used to do equestrian too, in fact. The horses were all just so well taken care of, and it was more about the relationship between the horse and its rider than it was about other people who happened to be observing...... I guess I'm a hypocrite if I am more accepting of equestrian. Oh well.
I don't know much about heavy horses and draft horse like Clydesdales and Percherons and what the affect of the work is on them but it wouldn't surprise me to hear that many are overworked. I also understand horse are social creatures and like to be in groups of their own kind as opposed to isolation."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I'm not sure of what you mean now. I just thought it was cool that you had connections with Peter Forsberg, he seems like a nice guy. Sometimes I find it difficult to hit the right words or expressions, I'm sorry.JC29856 said:0 -
No worries...sorryAnnafalk said:
I'm not sure of what you mean now. I just thought it was cool that you had connections with Peter Forsberg, he seems like a nice guy. Sometimes I find it difficult to hit the right words or expressions, I'm sorry.JC29856 said:0 -
The horses, friends, the horses!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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if you've never seen this documentary about jockeys it's really goodRemember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Don't think I seen that...I seen a few episodes on jockeys few years ago maybe HBO.Gern Blansten said:http://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/Jockey/70022299
if you've never seen this documentary about jockeys it's really good
Years ago a bunch of us went to dinner...Mexican restaurant. One guy was a pretty good jockey not on national scale but top 3 in New England area. Anyway during dinner jockey excuses himself to the men's room then comes back to table. I don't think anything of it. My buddy paid for the dinner, when we got in the car to leave he says was that good, I said yeah, he said see jockey so and so? His dinner got flushed. I'm like what? He said he went to throw it up, didn't you notice his perfect teeth, why do you think he got up right after eating and came back chewing gum?0 -
Yeah, riding, and specifically I'm thinking about show jumping and steeplechase. The stuff you get in the Olympics.brianlux said:
What I know and have seen and what little riding I've done (maybe four times), equestrian (I assume you mean riding) seems like a whole other world from racing and other aggressive uses of horses. I've known and know people with horses and they seem to be very conscientious of the horses' well being and the horses I've met all seemed content and healthy. Never have had the space for one myself.PJ_Soul said:I am not a fan at all. I agree, it IS fun to go. I've been. But yeah, just the whole idea of big crowds of people getting together and using animals for entertainment like that bothers me a lot, and I don't go to the races, and I certainly won't go to rodeos, and even trail riding places bother me.... For some reason, I don't feel as strongly about equestrian .... never even thought about it until now actually. I used to do equestrian too, in fact. The horses were all just so well taken care of, and it was more about the relationship between the horse and its rider than it was about other people who happened to be observing...... I guess I'm a hypocrite if I am more accepting of equestrian. Oh well.
I don't know much about heavy horses and draft horse like Clydesdales and Percherons and what the affect of the work is on them but it wouldn't surprise me to hear that many are overworked. I also understand horse are social creatures and like to be in groups of their own kind as opposed to isolation.
Yeah, good point about the isolation thing. Horses are indeed social, and many people who love horses and just have one to ride and keep them on their own property ONLY have the one. That must be very lonely for the horse.Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
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Probably a little brave, or a lot stupid, to get myself involved in this and there's every chance I'll end up getting upset and abandoning the conversation but I am and have been for my adult life, employed in the racing industry. I love horses and find the anti racing rhetoric and propaganda highly offensive. Rather than rearticulate my views this is a Facebook post of mine from November (some of it is very timing and Australian specific so please excuse that):
To the people spreading anti-horseracing propaganda:
I have tried so hard not to engage this year, but it's hard, especially when I see it coming from people I respect (or thought I respected), and I need to clear a few things up.
1. It is personal. You can tell me it's not or that you don't mean me, but when you say my industry (my entire life since I left high school and a good portion of my life prior to that) is animal cruelty it is personal and you are accusing me of animal cruelty, that's a pretty big and offensive accusation.
2. The numbers given by CPR, Animals Australia and whoever else are false, it takes minimal research to realise that and there are studies (from impartial sources such as the Australian Veterinary Journal) to prove that. You also don't have to be a genius to realise that if more thoroughbreds were going to the knackery each year than were being born (the number reported by CPR) there wouldn't be any racing at all.
3. The argument that racing kills? We're talking about approximately a 0.005% death rate. In all my years around racehorses I have never been involved with one that died as a result of an injury sustained during a race or during training, I have been involved with many who have died: from paddock injuries, colic, chronic laminitis and other causes unrelated to racing. If I thought it was a danger to race my horses I would never do it. I challenge anyone who has seen me with my horses to so much as suggest I would willingly put them at risk - I love my horses.
4. Ten years ago we didn't have this rubbish, Michelle Payne would have been hailed as an inspirational woman succeeding in a still male dominated and often chauvinistic industry; Stevie Payne would have been held up as a symbol of the capabilities of those born with downs syndrome and Darren Weir would have been celebrated for his support of them both, instead half of Australia seems to be attacking all three. This should be the greatest time of their lives/careers and if you're out on social media tearing them down you should be ashamed.
There are bad apples in racing, but they are in the minority, and sadly such people exist in every facet of society. Do your research or shut up, because these constant accusations against me and hundreds of good people that I know or have worked with are personal and they're falsehoods.I don't mean to offend anyone, a lot of what I say should be taken with a grain of salt... that said for most of you I'm a stranger on a computer on the other side of the world, don't give me that sort of power!0 -
Do you believe horses are sensitive and intelligent beings that feel pain? Could horse racing exist without the whip, or whatever insiders call it? Would you do go through what the horses do? Do you regularly run so hard you feel like you are going to die while someone switches your ass?your move now said:Probably a little brave, or a lot stupid, to get myself involved in this and there's every chance I'll end up getting upset and abandoning the conversation but I am and have been for my adult life, employed in the racing industry. I love horses and find the anti racing rhetoric and propaganda highly offensive. Rather than rearticulate my views this is a Facebook post of mine from November (some of it is very timing and Australian specific so please excuse that):
To the people spreading anti-horseracing propaganda:
I have tried so hard not to engage this year, but it's hard, especially when I see it coming from people I respect (or thought I respected), and I need to clear a few things up.
1. It is personal. You can tell me it's not or that you don't mean me, but when you say my industry (my entire life since I left high school and a good portion of my life prior to that) is animal cruelty it is personal and you are accusing me of animal cruelty, that's a pretty big and offensive accusation.
2. The numbers given by CPR, Animals Australia and whoever else are false, it takes minimal research to realise that and there are studies (from impartial sources such as the Australian Veterinary Journal) to prove that. You also don't have to be a genius to realise that if more thoroughbreds were going to the knackery each year than were being born (the number reported by CPR) there wouldn't be any racing at all.
3. The argument that racing kills? We're talking about approximately a 0.005% death rate. In all my years around racehorses I have never been involved with one that died as a result of an injury sustained during a race or during training, I have been involved with many who have died: from paddock injuries, colic, chronic laminitis and other causes unrelated to racing. If I thought it was a danger to race my horses I would never do it. I challenge anyone who has seen me with my horses to so much as suggest I would willingly put them at risk - I love my horses.
4. Ten years ago we didn't have this rubbish, Michelle Payne would have been hailed as an inspirational woman succeeding in a still male dominated and often chauvinistic industry; Stevie Payne would have been held up as a symbol of the capabilities of those born with downs syndrome and Darren Weir would have been celebrated for his support of them both, instead half of Australia seems to be attacking all three. This should be the greatest time of their lives/careers and if you're out on social media tearing them down you should be ashamed.
There are bad apples in racing, but they are in the minority, and sadly such people exist in every facet of society. Do your research or shut up, because these constant accusations against me and hundreds of good people that I know or have worked with are personal and they're falsehoods.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
I know horses are sensitive intelligent creatures, this is why I've elected to spend my life with them., tell me why else I'd do it, like a majority in the industry I struggle to make ends meet whilst working 10-12 hours 7 days a week "Do I regularly run so hard I feel like I'm going to die?" No and neither do my horses. There's a reason anti racing propaganda is not spread by former employees of the industry, it's because a day in a vast majority of stables is all it would take to see how loved and cared for these horses are, and if they don't want to race then they don't, I've had horses who had no interest and I have no idea whether they were fast or not, they were rehomed into different careers.
My horses are my babies, my life and for someone who is a self confessed outsider to judge without experience is not okay with meI don't mean to offend anyone, a lot of what I say should be taken with a grain of salt... that said for most of you I'm a stranger on a computer on the other side of the world, don't give me that sort of power!0 -
I only speak of thoroughbred horse racing in the northeast of US. I have no idea what happens elsewhere.0
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I certainly did not start this thread with the intent to argue with anyone here. I spent a day at horse racing recently and questioned within myself the wisdom of engaging in and supporting this activity. I did some soul searching and some research and the information I found (information, not propaganda) led me to believe this was not something I find worthy of supporting.
Animals are not for our amusement. As living, intelligent, sensitive beings, they have the same intrinsic value in life as we do. Our cleverness and opposable thumbs do not give us the right to subjugate animals for our own amusement. These are my own personal convictions.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Couldn't have said it better...brianlux said:I certainly did not start this thread with the intent to argue with anyone here. I spent a day at horse racing recently and questioned within myself the wisdom of engaging in and supporting this activity. I did some soul searching and some research and the information I found (information, not propaganda) led me to believe this was not something I find worthy of supporting.
Animals are not for our amusement. As living, intelligent, sensitive beings, they have the same intrinsic value in life as we do. Our cleverness and opposable thumbs do not give us the right to subjugate animals for our own amusement. These are my own personal convictions.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
That's sounds like a self-deception to me, I have seen the horses after the race and they look like hell.your move now said:I know horses are sensitive intelligent creatures, this is why I've elected to spend my life with them., tell me why else I'd do it, like a majority in the industry I struggle to make ends meet whilst working 10-12 hours 7 days a week "Do I regularly run so hard I feel like I'm going to die?" No and neither do my horses. There's a reason anti racing propaganda is not spread by former employees of the industry, it's because a day in a vast majority of stables is all it would take to see how loved and cared for these horses are, and if they don't want to race then they don't, I've had horses who had no interest and I have no idea whether they were fast or not, they were rehomed into different careers.
My horses are my babies, my life and for someone who is a self confessed outsider to judge without experience is not okay with me
Why the whip?Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Ah ah how bout dogs. They are for amusement. Now realize yours are having a hell of a life.rgambs said:
Couldn't have said it better...brianlux said:I certainly did not start this thread with the intent to argue with anyone here. I spent a day at horse racing recently and questioned within myself the wisdom of engaging in and supporting this activity. I did some soul searching and some research and the information I found (information, not propaganda) led me to believe this was not something I find worthy of supporting.
Animals are not for our amusement. As living, intelligent, sensitive beings, they have the same intrinsic value in life as we do. Our cleverness and opposable thumbs do not give us the right to subjugate animals for our own amusement. These are my own personal convictions.10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG0 -
I wouldn't consider companionship equal to amusement.callen said:
Ah ah how bout dogs. They are for amusement. Now realize yours are having a hell of a life.rgambs said:
Couldn't have said it better...brianlux said:I certainly did not start this thread with the intent to argue with anyone here. I spent a day at horse racing recently and questioned within myself the wisdom of engaging in and supporting this activity. I did some soul searching and some research and the information I found (information, not propaganda) led me to believe this was not something I find worthy of supporting.
Animals are not for our amusement. As living, intelligent, sensitive beings, they have the same intrinsic value in life as we do. Our cleverness and opposable thumbs do not give us the right to subjugate animals for our own amusement. These are my own personal convictions.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Yes, companionship and animal care, not the same a amusement. If anything, we are our dogs amusement. And cats? We are they're slaves!rgambs said:
I wouldn't consider companionship equal to amusement.callen said:
Ah ah how bout dogs. They are for amusement. Now realize yours are having a hell of a life.rgambs said:
Couldn't have said it better...brianlux said:I certainly did not start this thread with the intent to argue with anyone here. I spent a day at horse racing recently and questioned within myself the wisdom of engaging in and supporting this activity. I did some soul searching and some research and the information I found (information, not propaganda) led me to believe this was not something I find worthy of supporting.
Animals are not for our amusement. As living, intelligent, sensitive beings, they have the same intrinsic value in life as we do. Our cleverness and opposable thumbs do not give us the right to subjugate animals for our own amusement. These are my own personal convictions."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Good point on cats.brianlux said:
Yes, companionship and animal care, not the same a amusement. If anything, we are our dogs amusement. And cats? We are they're slaves!rgambs said:
I wouldn't consider companionship equal to amusement.callen said:
Ah ah how bout dogs. They are for amusement. Now realize yours are having a hell of a life.rgambs said:
Couldn't have said it better...brianlux said:I certainly did not start this thread with the intent to argue with anyone here. I spent a day at horse racing recently and questioned within myself the wisdom of engaging in and supporting this activity. I did some soul searching and some research and the information I found (information, not propaganda) led me to believe this was not something I find worthy of supporting.
Animals are not for our amusement. As living, intelligent, sensitive beings, they have the same intrinsic value in life as we do. Our cleverness and opposable thumbs do not give us the right to subjugate animals for our own amusement. These are my own personal convictions.
10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG0
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