Bill Cosby......(part 2)

InHiding80 · January 2016

ldent42 said:
did anyone else see this and get as angry as I did?

On top of that, someone who killed another in a car accident last year is "women of the year." Pathetic.

brianlux · January 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

brianlux said:
I get sad every time I read about Bill Cosby because my gut feeling is he's guilty (not that he is until proven, of course) and I think back on all the years I admired the man from clear back in the 50's when my folks had some of his records we played on the hi fi and rolled around on the floor laughing 'til our guts ached, to the TV shows and the million times he made me laugh and forget about my troubles. The man seemed like a saint to me. Now, it's just a sad and pathetic situation and if he really did all the horrible things he's accused of, just plain horrible. I just hope this gets resolved conclusively one way another so we can either forgive if innocent (again, seems iffy) or move on.
I mentioned earlier saying that this cosby guy seems to be touched by soft hands only.
He is just an actor reading the lines fed to him unlike a musician. (a real musician anyway)
America creates this "celebrity" status.
For what reason?
Generations in a country that are let down from a persons actions speaks volumes.

Yes true, and many of us slip into the nostalgia zone from time to time but when push comes to shove, for me the bottom line is still "I am mine".

mickeyrat · January 2016

ldent42 said:
did anyone else see this and get as angry as I did?

word of mouth alright. his own.

PJ_Soul · January 2016

mickeyrat said:

ldent42 said:
did anyone else see this and get as angry as I did?
word of mouth alright. his own.

Yeah really. The man specifically stated in a deposition that he gave women 'ludes and molested them.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · January 2016

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/cosby-hearing-date-in-pennsylvania-criminal-case-postponed/2016/01/06/fbc9475e-b4da-11e5-8abc-d09392edc612_story.html

Godfather. · January 2016

social media is soooooooooo goofy.
man is not judged in court for the crimes of others, but his own.
now it's time for Cosby to pay for his.

Godfather.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2016

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

ldent42 said:
did anyone else see this and get as angry as I did?
word of mouth alright. his own.
Yeah really. The man specifically stated in a deposition that he gave women 'ludes and molested them.

in no way am I taking his side or saying he's innocent. let that be clear. but isn't the real wording of it that he gave them ludes with them knowingly taking them, and having sex with them? were the quaaludes taken against their will/without their knowledge? it was my understanding they knew about them.

PJ_Soul · January 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

ldent42 said:
did anyone else see this and get as angry as I did?
word of mouth alright. his own.
Yeah really. The man specifically stated in a deposition that he gave women 'ludes and molested them.
in no way am I taking his side or saying he's innocent. let that be clear. but isn't the real wording of it that he gave them ludes with them knowingly taking them, and having sex with them? were the quaaludes taken against their will/without their knowledge? it was my understanding they knew about them.

Does it matter? Either way they are rendered unable to consent.

2-feign-reluctance · January 2016

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

ldent42 said:
did anyone else see this and get as angry as I did?
word of mouth alright. his own.
Yeah really. The man specifically stated in a deposition that he gave women 'ludes and molested them.
in no way am I taking his side or saying he's innocent. let that be clear. but isn't the real wording of it that he gave them ludes with them knowingly taking them, and having sex with them? were the quaaludes taken against their will/without their knowledge? it was my understanding they knew about them.

Does it matter? Either way they are rendered unable to consent.

This.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2016

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

ldent42 said:
did anyone else see this and get as angry as I did?
word of mouth alright. his own.
Yeah really. The man specifically stated in a deposition that he gave women 'ludes and molested them.
in no way am I taking his side or saying he's innocent. let that be clear. but isn't the real wording of it that he gave them ludes with them knowingly taking them, and having sex with them? were the quaaludes taken against their will/without their knowledge? it was my understanding they knew about them.

Does it matter? Either way they are rendered unable to consent.

I honestly don't know. I don't know what a 'lude does. does it relax you, does it incapacitate you? I've only heard about people taking them in movies.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2016

from wikipedia:
Effects can include drowsiness, dizziness, reduced heart rate, reduced respiration, increased sexual arousal (aphrodisia), erectile dysfunction, and paresthesias (numbness of the fingers and toes). Larger doses can bring about respiratory depression, slurred speech, headache, and photophobia (a symptom of excessive sensitivity to light).[citation needed]

so to me, yes, it does matter if they knew they were taking the drug or not. the effects listed here say nothing about being passed out or unable to make decisions like alcohol does.

I don't know all the facts of the case, but from what I've read, this isn't exactly a slam dunk like people here are making it out to be. maybe he just found women who liked to take drugs and screw.

if he drugged them without their knowledge, then yes, he's guilty. if they took them willingly, not so black and white.

PJ_Soul · January 2016

That isn't a full picture of what 'ludes can do. Not even close. They can really fuck you up, they mess with your head enough that you aren't able to make clear decisions, and they can render you unconscious too, depending on how many you take. Okay, think of it this way: Is it cool to get a chick over to your house, get her totally wasted (while staying sober yourself), and then fuck her once she's drunk enough to not be thinking clearly enough to make proper decisions (at best - passed out at worst)? No. That's not okay at all, to say the least. Same with quaaludes.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2016

PJ_Soul said:
That isn't a full picture of what 'ludes can do. Not even close. They can really fuck you up, they mess with your head enough that you aren't able to make clear decisions, and they can render you unconscious too, depending on how many you take. Okay, think of it this way: Is it cool to get a chick over to your house, get her totally wasted (while staying sober yourself), and then fuck her once she's drunk enough to not be thinking clearly enough to make proper decisions (at best - passed out at worst)? No. That's not okay at all, to say the least. Same with quaaludes.

obviously not. I never said it's ok to have his way with them if they took them themselves. I just mean their credibility comes into question if that was the case.

PJ_Soul · January 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:
That isn't a full picture of what 'ludes can do. Not even close. They can really fuck you up, they mess with your head enough that you aren't able to make clear decisions, and they can render you unconscious too, depending on how many you take. Okay, think of it this way: Is it cool to get a chick over to your house, get her totally wasted (while staying sober yourself), and then fuck her once she's drunk enough to not be thinking clearly enough to make proper decisions (at best - passed out at worst)? No. That's not okay at all, to say the least. Same with quaaludes.
obviously not. I never said it's ok to have his way with them if they took them themselves. I just mean their credibility comes into question if that was the case.

It does? How so? Last I heard, it shouldn't matter if a woman is under the influence when she's raped or molested.

callen · January 2016

First Happy New Year to all.

Two thoughts. First, sucks for Camille. Not sure how she can be forced to testify. Second, how sad it is for a person to prefer their exploits be drugged.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · January 2016

The only reason he has avoided court so far is because he is the infallible Dr. Huxtable that you Americans love so much.

ldent42 · January 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:
That isn't a full picture of what 'ludes can do. Not even close. They can really fuck you up, they mess with your head enough that you aren't able to make clear decisions, and they can render you unconscious too, depending on how many you take. Okay, think of it this way: Is it cool to get a chick over to your house, get her totally wasted (while staying sober yourself), and then fuck her once she's drunk enough to not be thinking clearly enough to make proper decisions (at best - passed out at worst)? No. That's not okay at all, to say the least. Same with quaaludes.
obviously not. I never said it's ok to have his way with them if they took them themselves. I just mean their credibility comes into question if that was the case.

it shouldnt.
"well she agreed to take the drug so. maybe she wanted to get fucked and then complain about it 30 years later under intense media scrutiny"

How about no.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2016

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:
That isn't a full picture of what 'ludes can do. Not even close. They can really fuck you up, they mess with your head enough that you aren't able to make clear decisions, and they can render you unconscious too, depending on how many you take. Okay, think of it this way: Is it cool to get a chick over to your house, get her totally wasted (while staying sober yourself), and then fuck her once she's drunk enough to not be thinking clearly enough to make proper decisions (at best - passed out at worst)? No. That's not okay at all, to say the least. Same with quaaludes.
obviously not. I never said it's ok to have his way with them if they took them themselves. I just mean their credibility comes into question if that was the case.

It does? How so? Last I heard, it shouldn't matter if a woman is under the influence when she's raped or molested.

Of course not. But if that woman took the drug to enhance sexual activity durint consensual sex, that sure maks a difference.

Look, i agree it looks like he is guilty. I am just a bigger fan of due process than I am of public vilification of celebrities. The guy hasnt even been in court yet and most here are calling for his head. What does that tell you?

HughFreakingDillon · January 2016

ldent42 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:
That isn't a full picture of what 'ludes can do. Not even close. They can really fuck you up, they mess with your head enough that you aren't able to make clear decisions, and they can render you unconscious too, depending on how many you take. Okay, think of it this way: Is it cool to get a chick over to your house, get her totally wasted (while staying sober yourself), and then fuck her once she's drunk enough to not be thinking clearly enough to make proper decisions (at best - passed out at worst)? No. That's not okay at all, to say the least. Same with quaaludes.
obviously not. I never said it's ok to have his way with them if they took them themselves. I just mean their credibility comes into question if that was the case.

it shouldnt.
"well she agreed to take the drug so. maybe she wanted to get fucked and then complain about it 30 years later under intense media scrutiny"

How about no.

How about yes? I went to his hotel room. I took drugs that enhance sexual pleasure. I now regret that decision, so i am going to go public after several others do the same.

Look, I am guessing Cosby is a rapist. But what if he isnt? Dont you think that remote possibility deserves due process? Or should we crucify him because he's a celebrity with a wholesome image and that makes us feel better about ourselves to bring him down?

RKCNDY · January 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
The only reason he has avoided court so far is because he is the infallible Dr. Huxtable that you Americans love so much.

Obviously you have no idea about American pop culture. No, he was not 'just Dr. Huxtable', Cosby was also Fat Albert, he was on Captain Kangaroo and The Electric Company, both very popular children's TV shows. He presented himself as a loveable, trusting and well liked actor. I can understand why people are very shocked.

Bill Cosby......(part 2)

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