I wish they would just play the 1st half at normal speed because that groove in the studio version is wicked and then speed it up during the solo. Same with Given to Fly, studio speed is 100X better than when they play it as fast as possible. Live on 2 Legs version and 2000 Europe shows versions are my favorite.
Rather see a 'Hits' only show at a 60,000 seat venue in Buenos Aires
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Don't get me wrong, I'd love a Fanclub only show of rarities but you'd lose the crowd if the general public was involved. That crowd energy is a huge pro for a PJ concert
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Not complaining at all here. I love PJs current live shows! A great mix for hardcore and casual fans. I think the op is just asking if some would enjoy a rarity filled setlist. I personally would love it. Don't think it will ever happen and that's fine. I love hearing Alive with thousands of fans jamming along and kind of always want that at a show. But...most of my favorite PJ (and what I think is some of their most creative stuff) are some of the lesser played or "rare" songs. That is all.
Even better than a "no hits" tour would be radicalizing the setlists to the point where any song could come in any slot and there is no predictability just like Phish or Grateful Dead. But it's fine the way it is. We need to be thankful that they still play music together.
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The fastest and easiest way to kill crowd energy, interest, and involvement in a sold out arena is to play unknown, brand new, obscure songs that 90% of the audience has no clue what's being played.
ahem...Arms Aloft...ahem. There's nothing like the feeling that the opening notes of Jeremy or Corduroy can bring out in the assembled. If you've lost that, then...
Great songs like "Immortality" and "Not For You" were singles but not really "hits." Just curious if any of you would allow such songs to be played on such a tour.
The fastest and easiest way to kill crowd energy, interest, and involvement in a sold out arena is to play unknown, brand new, obscure songs that 90% of the audience has no clue what's being played.
ahem...Arms Aloft...ahem. There's nothing like the feeling that the opening notes of Jeremy or Corduroy can bring out in the assembled. If you've lost that, then...
worst second song ever!!!!!!! release then freaking arms aloft!?!? it's like the energy just left the immense crowd and went to the surrounding hills around alpine.
I wish they would just play the 1st half at normal speed because that groove in the studio version is wicked and then speed it up during the solo. Same with Given to Fly, studio speed is 100X better than when they play it as fast as possible. Live on 2 Legs version and 2000 Europe shows versions are my favorite.
Its Matt Cameron. He plays too fast. And when you speed up the tempo it makes it harder for the singer to sing.
I wish they would just play the 1st half at normal speed because that groove in the studio version is wicked and then speed it up during the solo. Same with Given to Fly, studio speed is 100X better than when they play it as fast as possible. Live on 2 Legs version and 2000 Europe shows versions are my favorite.
Its Matt Cameron. He plays too fast. And when you speed up the tempo it makes it harder for the singer to sing.
Is it too late for any of the other members to say something to him? I guess doing all that crazy drumming with Soundgarden (I'm thinking Jesus Christ Pose, specifically) did a number on him.
I wish they would just play the 1st half at normal speed because that groove in the studio version is wicked and then speed it up during the solo. Same with Given to Fly, studio speed is 100X better than when they play it as fast as possible. Live on 2 Legs version and 2000 Europe shows versions are my favorite.
Its Matt Cameron. He plays too fast. And when you speed up the tempo it makes it harder for the singer to sing.
Is it too late for any of the other members to say something to him? I guess doing all that crazy drumming with Soundgarden (I'm thinking Jesus Christ Pose, specifically) did a number on him.
It may be that Matt Cameron's strengths as a drummer does not include soulful, rhythmic drumming. He's more of a straight ahead rock drummer.
I wish they would just play the 1st half at normal speed because that groove in the studio version is wicked and then speed it up during the solo. Same with Given to Fly, studio speed is 100X better than when they play it as fast as possible. Live on 2 Legs version and 2000 Europe shows versions are my favorite.
Its Matt Cameron. He plays too fast. And when you speed up the tempo it makes it harder for the singer to sing.
it's not just matt, especially with GTF. mike starts the song, and sets the tempo.
eddie is guilty of this too with other songs.. it's hardly just a matt thing.
i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
I wish they would just play the 1st half at normal speed because that groove in the studio version is wicked and then speed it up during the solo. Same with Given to Fly, studio speed is 100X better than when they play it as fast as possible. Live on 2 Legs version and 2000 Europe shows versions are my favorite.
Its Matt Cameron. He plays too fast. And when you speed up the tempo it makes it harder for the singer to sing.
it's not just matt, especially with GTF. mike starts the song, and sets the tempo.
eddie is guilty of this too with other songs.. it's hardly just a matt thing.
Good point. And you would think Eddie would be the one to have the biggest problem with it.
The fastest and easiest way to kill crowd energy, interest, and involvement in a sold out arena is to play unknown, brand new, obscure songs that 90% of the audience has no clue what's being played.
ahem...Arms Aloft...ahem. There's nothing like the feeling that the opening notes of Jeremy or Corduroy can bring out in the assembled. If you've lost that, then...
worst second song ever!!!!!!! release then freaking arms aloft!?!? it's like the energy just left the immense crowd and went to the surrounding hills around alpine.
I'm not saying I don't like Arms Aloft, I do.
However, from my middle of the floor seats in Montreal 2011 (the first show after PJ20) I personally witnessed Arms Aloft suck every ounce of energy and momentum out of the room. Like, from 70 miles an hour to a clanging dead stop. Not me, mind you. I kept it rollin', but I was pretty much by myself. If you're talking about a show with the non-hit album tracks and covers, you have consider that the 20,000 seat hockey arena where they play now, prob isn't the place for such a show. This might work in a more intimate theater setting or club, but shit...I still wanna hear Mind Your Manners, and EWBTCIAST , without the eye rolls from some hypothetical arms crossed middle aged, 52 year old douche, oh excuse me, a "real fan". (I'm a fifty year old white guy, so I know exactly who you are.)
I like the diversity of the set lists now, and have no issues with any track they want to play from Even Flow, to Supersonic (which they should dust off, if you ask me...) in whatever order they want. I don't really understand the "Daughter/WMA isn't good enough for the real fan..." vibe, but whatever.
The fastest and easiest way to kill crowd energy, interest, and involvement in a sold out arena is to play unknown, brand new, obscure songs that 90% of the audience has no clue what's being played.
ahem...Arms Aloft...ahem. There's nothing like the feeling that the opening notes of Jeremy or Corduroy can bring out in the assembled. If you've lost that, then...
worst second song ever!!!!!!! release then freaking arms aloft!?!? it's like the energy just left the immense crowd and went to the surrounding hills around alpine.
Easily the strangest setlist decision they'll ever make. That spot needed something like Animal or Last Exit.
I want to hear "Alive" every time I see Pearl Jam.
And one of the reasons rarities are so special is because they're, well, "special." If they're played too often they lose their novelty; if a bunch of rarities are played consecutively the specialness is almost completely mitigated. And at the risk of committing Pearl Jam fan heresy, that's exactly what happened at the Vic. It was awesome and I'm grateful I got the experience, but there came a point where the setlist needed a single ("Wishlist" doesn't count). I honestly thought they were better three nights later in Grant Park. But that's just my opinion and I'm sure it's not shared by the vast majority
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I miss the old days of watching these guys.
Watched this VHS hundreds of times. Still have it
https://player.vimeo.com/video/108555158
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
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There's nothing like the feeling that the opening notes of Jeremy or Corduroy can bring out in the assembled. If you've lost that, then...
eddie is guilty of this too with other songs.. it's hardly just a matt thing.
I'm not saying I don't like Arms Aloft, I do.
However, from my middle of the floor seats in Montreal 2011 (the first show after PJ20) I personally witnessed Arms Aloft suck every ounce of energy and momentum out of the room. Like, from 70 miles an hour to a clanging dead stop. Not me, mind you. I kept it rollin', but I was pretty much by myself. If you're talking about a show with the non-hit album tracks and covers, you have consider that the 20,000 seat hockey arena where they play now, prob isn't the place for such a show. This might work in a more intimate theater setting or club, but shit...I still wanna hear Mind Your Manners, and EWBTCIAST , without the eye rolls from some hypothetical arms crossed middle aged, 52 year old douche, oh excuse me, a "real fan". (I'm a fifty year old white guy, so I know exactly who you are.)
I like the diversity of the set lists now, and have no issues with any track they want to play from Even Flow, to Supersonic (which they should dust off, if you ask me...) in whatever order they want. I don't really understand the "Daughter/WMA isn't good enough for the real fan..." vibe, but whatever.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
And one of the reasons rarities are so special is because they're, well, "special." If they're played too often they lose their novelty; if a bunch of rarities are played consecutively the specialness is almost completely mitigated. And at the risk of committing Pearl Jam fan heresy, that's exactly what happened at the Vic. It was awesome and I'm grateful I got the experience, but there came a point where the setlist needed a single ("Wishlist" doesn't count). I honestly thought they were better three nights later in Grant Park. But that's just my opinion and I'm sure it's not shared by the vast majority
Those that can be trusted can change their mind.