San Bernardino Shootings Kill 14

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Really disappointed at the racist comments in the thread on Islam, resulting in it being closed for review.

Same. That was actually the most racist shit I've ever seen on the boards (or, actually was it xenophobic, technically? Or no... is there a technical term for being hateful towards a specific religious group? .... I guess we can just call it bigotry )

I think it is racist. I think Islam is half scapegoat, the other half is racism toward what a Trump supporter would call a sandn***er, raghead, towelhead or some such nonsense. You hear those all the time in rural areas down here...true colors.
It really tries my patience, and I am sad to see it here in such an enlightened forum.

I didn't see that Islam thread as being "racist". More of buying into stereotypes.

Educate. If you try forcing something down someone's throat they'll choke...

Isn't buying into stereotypes about a certain race a perfect example of racism?

No. That's why it's called a stereotype. If I used the word "cliche" would it ring differently?

If I thought all Irishman were drunks that makes me a racist?

Cmon man...

Educate them...

No, Irishman is not a race, it would be xenophobic.
If you thought all white people were drunks, that would be racist.

In social psychology, stereotype is the cognitive aspect, prejudice is the emotional reaction, and discrimination is the physical action.
To me, at least, they are all 3 components of racism.

Another word for racist is exnephobe, no? Or is that a synonym? I forget. I thought they went hand in hand most of the time.

Anyways I didn't see it as "racist".

Neither of the two bombers here in Boston were Arabs. Both were Muslims. I do think there is an element of racism in play, maybe even a large element, but it certainly isn't just racism.

dignin said:

I have trouble calling these bigots and xenophobes, racists. Muslim is not a race. Not all are racists, but definitely some of them are.

Important point. I believe the country with the largest percentage of Muslims is Malaysia or Indonesia. That should blow some people's stereotypes.

Who Princess said:

dignin said:

I have trouble calling these bigots and xenophobes, racists. Muslim is not a race. Not all are racists, but definitely some of them are.

Important point. I believe the country with the largest percentage of Muslims is Malaysia or Indonesia. That should blow some people's stereotypes.

Funny you say this. I asked Nart(bad brains) if he could read Arabic? He said "no". I said aren't you Muslim? He said yes but I'm not an Arab.

I had associated/worked with Muslims from the Middle East and not from anywhere else so that was my mistake.

tempo_n_groove said:

Who Princess said:

dignin said:

I have trouble calling these bigots and xenophobes, racists. Muslim is not a race. Not all are racists, but definitely some of them are.

Important point. I believe the country with the largest percentage of Muslims is Malaysia or Indonesia. That should blow some people's stereotypes.

Funny you say this. I asked Nart(bad brains) if he could read Arabic? He said "no". I said aren't you Muslim? He said yes but I'm not an Arab.

I had associated/worked with Muslims from the Middle East and not from anywhere else so that was my mistake.

The only Muslim I know well is my friend who happens to be a Bosnian Muslim, not a chance she could read Arabic either I imagine

BS44325 said:

Nothing wrong with being concerned about bigotry but maybe this thread should focus on how political correctness might have hindered prevention of the attack...

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/11/whistleblower-feds-shut-down-terror-investigation-that-could-have-prevented-san-bernardino-attack/

Pretty classic of the AMT to always be concerned about the boogeyman on the right first.

Fair point.

Was it ever confirmed that the neighbors didn't speak up because they were scared of being accused of profiling? That too is a great concern.

jnimhaoileoin said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Who Princess said:

dignin said:

I have trouble calling these bigots and xenophobes, racists. Muslim is not a race. Not all are racists, but definitely some of them are.

Important point. I believe the country with the largest percentage of Muslims is Malaysia or Indonesia. That should blow some people's stereotypes.

Funny you say this. I asked Nart(bad brains) if he could read Arabic? He said "no". I said aren't you Muslim? He said yes but I'm not an Arab.

I had associated/worked with Muslims from the Middle East and not from anywhere else so that was my mistake.

The only Muslim I know well is my friend who happens to be a Bosnian Muslim, not a chance she could read Arabic either I imagine

I have known and do know many Muslims, and they are from all over the place. The one was closest with (had relationship with him, as well as a deep friendship) is of Indian decent but grew up in Thailand, went to American schools there, and university in Canada. Has never been to the Middle East. Most Muslims I know are just Canadians, and have also never been to the Middle East. The only person who I've really been friends with who is actually from the Middle East is a man who defected with his father from Iran and came to Canada to escape persecution. The reason the were in fear of their lives was because his dad was a member of the Iranian Communist party.

JimmyV said:

BS44325 said:

Nothing wrong with being concerned about bigotry but maybe this thread should focus on how political correctness might have hindered prevention of the attack...

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/11/whistleblower-feds-shut-down-terror-investigation-that-could-have-prevented-san-bernardino-attack/

Pretty classic of the AMT to always be concerned about the boogeyman on the right first.

Fair point.

Was it ever confirmed that the neighbors didn't speak up because they were scared of being accused of profiling? That too is a great concern.

The only thing I have heard from the neighbors is that they saw some men who looked like they were Arabs men in their neighborhood, visiting the Arab household of the attackers. The neighbors said in retrospect that maybe they should have contacted authorities.... because they saw people who looked Arab. Uuhh... If not calling the cops when you simply see Arabs in the area is PC, then something is seriously wrong with the meaning of PC!
Hindsight is 20/20, but the neighbors didn't really see anything suspicious. I sincerely hope this isn't going to make people start reporting people to the authorities just because they "look Muslim"!
The authorities themselves need to simply follow the law. The constitution. They need to investigate things that are suspicious. Pretty simple. If some dope in the FBI or HS or whatever decided to shut down an investigation of an Islamic terror group then he should be fired, because that makes no sense.

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

dignin said:

I have trouble calling these bigots and xenophobes, racists. Muslim is not a race. Not all are racists, but definitely some of them are.

JimmyV said:

Neither of the two bombers here in Boston were Arabs. Both were Muslims. I do think there is an element of racism in play, maybe even a large element, but it certainly isn't just racism.

Yeah, I think it's a testament to how dumb they are. To some people, anyone who looks different is suspect. They see brown people, they don't make distinctions.
But, yeah, racism is only a part, and not the whole.

I keep seeing hate memes against Muslims that picture Sikhs.

That's exactly the sort of stuff I am going from.

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

dignin said:

I have trouble calling these bigots and xenophobes, racists. Muslim is not a race. Not all are racists, but definitely some of them are.

JimmyV said:

Neither of the two bombers here in Boston were Arabs. Both were Muslims. I do think there is an element of racism in play, maybe even a large element, but it certainly isn't just racism.

Yeah, I think it's a testament to how dumb they are. To some people, anyone who looks different is suspect. They see brown people, they don't make distinctions.
But, yeah, racism is only a part, and not the whole.

I keep seeing hate memes against Muslims that picture Sikhs.

I remember there was an attack, a few years ago, on a Sikh temple because dumbass rednecks don't know anything but what they see on Fox News. They don't know Islam from Hindu or any thing else. They see color and different garb and that's enough for them.