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  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    Just to pick a few nits here, most of the founding fathers, including Washington, Franklin, and Jefferson were not Christians. They were Deists.
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/americas-changing-religious-landscape/

    78% of USA identified as Christian in 2007. I am sure not all 78% are devout Christians just like not all Muslims in foreign countries are devout followers of Islam. it is very frustrating to have a conversation on here with some of you who won't agree even on an easy point like the USA is predominantly inhabited by Christians. You may disagree with the point I was trying to make based on the fact that the USA is predominantly Christian (which is fine and debate is fun), but take a step back every once in a while and not try to discredit every last thing because you feel like you have to win or something. I have changed opinions many times over the years and a lot of it is from reading stuff on this board. For example, I am pro gay marriage. That wouldn't be possible if I felt over my life I had to discredit every last comment from someone who I disagreed with on a topic.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,387
    edited December 2015
    what would that figure be now?

    Just read it, 2012 77% identfy, of those 35% attended services rarely or never, Which is roughly the same across the board with most faiths. Except Jews . twice that percentage rarely or never attend.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,387
    bootleggers statement in part....


    "And to further compare Christianity and Islam. The USA being a Christian nation allow Muslims to build mosques all over the place and practice their faith, while Christians in the middle east in Islamic countries are hoping they can pray in secret and not get beheaded that day. And of course I'm talking about radical Islamic leaders, but can we give some credit to Christians in the USA who actually practice religious freedom that the country was based on?"

    The Constitution allows this. A secular document outlining how the govenment is allowed to function. Wonder how many devout "christians" are protesting and attempting to block the building of Mosques in the south and elsewhere? Houses of Worship designed for believers of that faith?


    Christians are sprinkled all throughout the middle east. Given protection to practice their faith by most governments over there. Iran, Iraq(until we fucked THAT up) Syria....
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Just found this article

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/11/faisal-mohammad-uc-merced-stabber-printed-out-isis/

    Anyone else hear about this?
  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    Really disappointed at the racist comments in the thread on Islam, resulting in it being closed for review.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited December 2015
    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Really disappointed at the racist comments in the thread on Islam, resulting in it being closed for review.

    Same. That was actually the most racist shit I've ever seen on the boards (or, actually was it xenophobic, technically? Or no... is there a technical term for being hateful towards a specific religious group? .... I guess we can just call it bigotry :confounded: )
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    Trump is appealing to a portion of the American populace who have lost their fucking minds. The Islam thread was evidence of that.
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  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    PJ_Soul said:

    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Really disappointed at the racist comments in the thread on Islam, resulting in it being closed for review.

    Same. That was actually the most racist shit I've ever seen on the boards.
    Only good thing about such incidents is that it gives you an insight into those responsible and a fair idea of how to view any future contributions of theirs
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Really disappointed at the racist comments in the thread on Islam, resulting in it being closed for review.

    It was more likely the posting of disturbing pics that did it.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    jnimhaoileoin said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Really disappointed at the racist comments in the thread on Islam, resulting in it being closed for review.

    Same. That was actually the most racist shit I've ever seen on the boards.
    Only good thing about such incidents is that it gives you an insight into those responsible and a fair idea of how to view any future contributions of theirs
    Agreed.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    JimmyV said:

    Trump is appealing to a portion of the American populace who have lost their fucking minds. The Islam thread was evidence of that.

    Yup, pretty much.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    JimmyV said:

    Trump is appealing to a portion of the American populace who have lost their fucking minds. The Islam thread was evidence of that.

    Spot on, davidtrios is a self identified Trump supporter, which perfectly fits his dissemination of factually inaccurate racist bullshit.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJ_Soul said:

    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Really disappointed at the racist comments in the thread on Islam, resulting in it being closed for review.

    Same. That was actually the most racist shit I've ever seen on the boards (or, actually was it xenophobic, technically? Or no... is there a technical term for being hateful towards a specific religious group? .... I guess we can just call it bigotry :confounded: )
    I think it is racist. I think Islam is half scapegoat, the other half is racism toward what a Trump supporter would call a sandn***er, raghead, towelhead or some such nonsense. You hear those all the time in rural areas down here...true colors.
    It really tries my patience, and I am sad to see it here in such an enlightened forum.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    rgambs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Really disappointed at the racist comments in the thread on Islam, resulting in it being closed for review.

    Same. That was actually the most racist shit I've ever seen on the boards (or, actually was it xenophobic, technically? Or no... is there a technical term for being hateful towards a specific religious group? .... I guess we can just call it bigotry :confounded: )
    I think it is racist. I think Islam is half scapegoat, the other half is racism toward what a Trump supporter would call a sandn***er, raghead, towelhead or some such nonsense. You hear those all the time in rural areas down here...true colors.
    It really tries my patience, and I am sad to see it here in such an enlightened forum.
    I didn't see that Islam thread as being "racist". More of buying into stereotypes.

    Educate. If you try forcing something down someone's throat they'll choke...
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    tempo_n_groove said:

    rgambs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Really disappointed at the racist comments in the thread on Islam, resulting in it being closed for review.

    Same. That was actually the most racist shit I've ever seen on the boards (or, actually was it xenophobic, technically? Or no... is there a technical term for being hateful towards a specific religious group? .... I guess we can just call it bigotry :confounded: )
    I think it is racist. I think Islam is half scapegoat, the other half is racism toward what a Trump supporter would call a sandn***er, raghead, towelhead or some such nonsense. You hear those all the time in rural areas down here...true colors.
    It really tries my patience, and I am sad to see it here in such an enlightened forum.

    I didn't see that Islam thread as being "racist". More of buying into stereotypes.

    Educate. If you try forcing something down someone's throat they'll choke...
    Isn't buying into stereotypes about a certain race a perfect example of racism?
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    rgambs said:

    tempo_n_groove said:

    rgambs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Really disappointed at the racist comments in the thread on Islam, resulting in it being closed for review.

    Same. That was actually the most racist shit I've ever seen on the boards (or, actually was it xenophobic, technically? Or no... is there a technical term for being hateful towards a specific religious group? .... I guess we can just call it bigotry :confounded: )
    I think it is racist. I think Islam is half scapegoat, the other half is racism toward what a Trump supporter would call a sandn***er, raghead, towelhead or some such nonsense. You hear those all the time in rural areas down here...true colors.
    It really tries my patience, and I am sad to see it here in such an enlightened forum.

    I didn't see that Islam thread as being "racist". More of buying into stereotypes.

    Educate. If you try forcing something down someone's throat they'll choke...
    Isn't buying into stereotypes about a certain race a perfect example of racism?
    No. That's why it's called a stereotype. If I used the word "cliche" would it ring differently?

    If I thought all Irishman were drunks that makes me a racist?

    Cmon man...

    Educate them...
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    tempo_n_groove said:

    rgambs said:

    tempo_n_groove said:

    rgambs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Really disappointed at the racist comments in the thread on Islam, resulting in it being closed for review.

    Same. That was actually the most racist shit I've ever seen on the boards (or, actually was it xenophobic, technically? Or no... is there a technical term for being hateful towards a specific religious group? .... I guess we can just call it bigotry :confounded: )
    I think it is racist. I think Islam is half scapegoat, the other half is racism toward what a Trump supporter would call a sandn***er, raghead, towelhead or some such nonsense. You hear those all the time in rural areas down here...true colors.
    It really tries my patience, and I am sad to see it here in such an enlightened forum.

    I didn't see that Islam thread as being "racist". More of buying into stereotypes.

    Educate. If you try forcing something down someone's throat they'll choke...
    Isn't buying into stereotypes about a certain race a perfect example of racism?
    No. That's why it's called a stereotype. If I used the word "cliche" would it ring differently?

    If I thought all Irishman were drunks that makes me a racist?

    Cmon man...

    Educate them...
    No, Irishman is not a race, it would be xenophobic.
    If you thought all white people were drunks, that would be racist.

    In social psychology, stereotype is the cognitive aspect, prejudice is the emotional reaction, and discrimination is the physical action.
    To me, at least, they are all 3 components of racism.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    edited December 2015
    I don't think that you thinking all Irish are drunks or even all white people are drunks would be racist as such. It only becomes racist when because of your beliefs you then encourage prejudice against these people or even incite others to hatred.

    Maybe I'm being too generous though...
    Post edited by jnimhaoileoin on
  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    rgambs said:

    tempo_n_groove said:

    rgambs said:

    tempo_n_groove said:

    rgambs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    jnimhaoileoin said:

    Really disappointed at the racist comments in the thread on Islam, resulting in it being closed for review.

    Same. That was actually the most racist shit I've ever seen on the boards (or, actually was it xenophobic, technically? Or no... is there a technical term for being hateful towards a specific religious group? .... I guess we can just call it bigotry :confounded: )
    I think it is racist. I think Islam is half scapegoat, the other half is racism toward what a Trump supporter would call a sandn***er, raghead, towelhead or some such nonsense. You hear those all the time in rural areas down here...true colors.
    It really tries my patience, and I am sad to see it here in such an enlightened forum.

    I didn't see that Islam thread as being "racist". More of buying into stereotypes.

    Educate. If you try forcing something down someone's throat they'll choke...
    Isn't buying into stereotypes about a certain race a perfect example of racism?
    No. That's why it's called a stereotype. If I used the word "cliche" would it ring differently?

    If I thought all Irishman were drunks that makes me a racist?

    Cmon man...

    Educate them...
    No, Irishman is not a race, it would be xenophobic.
    If you thought all white people were drunks, that would be racist.

    In social psychology, stereotype is the cognitive aspect, prejudice is the emotional reaction, and discrimination is the physical action.
    To me, at least, they are all 3 components of racism.
    I should have read your comment properly first, as I think you probably phrased it better than I! Your summary of the components of racism there seems pretty succinct and accurate

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