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  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,234
    Frickin' Cleveland lost to New Orleans
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    edited December 2015

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14287780/how-much-patience-sixer-fans-nba-process



    Philly’s failure to this point also doesn’t mean they are misreading the league’s incentive system or that tanking is dumb. The best way to win a championship is to land a top-10 overall player, and study after study has shown that the best way to find such a player is to draft him. The fact that most tanking teams never win a title doesn’t invalidate the strategy. Most teams of all stripes never win the title. Every team-building strategy is a low-percentage play if the criteria is getting a ring.

    Front-office types outside of Philly who have studied this issue in depth have told me that a team would have to tank up to six or seven years in a row for the strategy to become anything like a can’t-miss play. Do the Sixers have the stomach for that?

    Maybe not. But they do have a hungrier tanking stomach than any team that came before, and that should give the cacklers some pause. Embiid’s injury and Okafor’s juvenile crap aren’t evidence that Philly has botched The Process. They are blips baked into The Process. A longer tanking timeline allows for both risks and setbacks. If the Bobcats miss on Anthony Davis, they’re done tanking. If the Sixers miss on Embiid and Okafor, they’re going to take their best damn shot at Ben Simmons. If you really have this kind of patience, you can afford some misses. That’s the entire point of the strategy. One hit, and the long-term outlook changes.



    The Sixers have unused salary slots that would fit mid-level veterans, and they don’t care. That is their right, and Philly has used their cap space over the past two seasons to make several smart predatory trades — including the swindling of Sacramento that landed Landry, Sauce Castillo, and draft picks. The Sixers want to maximize the chances every roster spot becomes a trade asset, and they’re correct that Robert Covington, a quality rotation player on a bargain-basement four-year deal, is a more attractive trade asset than a wily 34-year-old earning $3 million.

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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,908
    The Juggler said:


    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14287780/how-much-patience-sixer-fans-nba-process



    Philly’s failure to this point also doesn’t mean they are misreading the league’s incentive system or that tanking is dumb. The best way to win a championship is to land a top-10 overall player, and study after study has shown that the best way to find such a player is to draft him. The fact that most tanking teams never win a title doesn’t invalidate the strategy. Most teams of all stripes never win the title. Every team-building strategy is a low-percentage play if the criteria is getting a ring.

    Front-office types outside of Philly who have studied this issue in depth have told me that a team would have to tank up to six or seven years in a row for the strategy to become anything like a can’t-miss play. Do the Sixers have the stomach for that?

    Maybe not. But they do have a hungrier tanking stomach than any team that came before, and that should give the cacklers some pause. Embiid’s injury and Okafor’s juvenile crap aren’t evidence that Philly has botched The Process. They are blips baked into The Process. A longer tanking timeline allows for both risks and setbacks. If the Bobcats miss on Anthony Davis, they’re done tanking. If the Sixers miss on Embiid and Okafor, they’re going to take their best damn shot at Ben Simmons. If you really have this kind of patience, you can afford some misses. That’s the entire point of the strategy. One hit, and the long-term outlook changes.



    The Sixers have unused salary slots that would fit mid-level veterans, and they don’t care. That is their right, and Philly has used their cap space over the past two seasons to make several smart predatory trades — including the swindling of Sacramento that landed Landry, Sauce Castillo, and draft picks. The Sixers want to maximize the chances every roster spot becomes a trade asset, and they’re correct that Robert Covington, a quality rotation player on a bargain-basement four-year deal, is a more attractive trade asset than a wily 34-year-old earning $3 million.

    the underlined is not exactly true. Kobe, Shaq, Lebron, and Garnett just to name a few all won titles on teams they weren't drafted by.
  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    Spurs started a dynasty by tanking.
    Alright, alright, alright!
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    edited December 2015
    pjhawks said:

    The Juggler said:


    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14287780/how-much-patience-sixer-fans-nba-process



    Philly’s failure to this point also doesn’t mean they are misreading the league’s incentive system or that tanking is dumb. The best way to win a championship is to land a top-10 overall player, and study after study has shown that the best way to find such a player is to draft him. The fact that most tanking teams never win a title doesn’t invalidate the strategy. Most teams of all stripes never win the title. Every team-building strategy is a low-percentage play if the criteria is getting a ring.

    Front-office types outside of Philly who have studied this issue in depth have told me that a team would have to tank up to six or seven years in a row for the strategy to become anything like a can’t-miss play. Do the Sixers have the stomach for that?

    Maybe not. But they do have a hungrier tanking stomach than any team that came before, and that should give the cacklers some pause. Embiid’s injury and Okafor’s juvenile crap aren’t evidence that Philly has botched The Process. They are blips baked into The Process. A longer tanking timeline allows for both risks and setbacks. If the Bobcats miss on Anthony Davis, they’re done tanking. If the Sixers miss on Embiid and Okafor, they’re going to take their best damn shot at Ben Simmons. If you really have this kind of patience, you can afford some misses. That’s the entire point of the strategy. One hit, and the long-term outlook changes.



    The Sixers have unused salary slots that would fit mid-level veterans, and they don’t care. That is their right, and Philly has used their cap space over the past two seasons to make several smart predatory trades — including the swindling of Sacramento that landed Landry, Sauce Castillo, and draft picks. The Sixers want to maximize the chances every roster spot becomes a trade asset, and they’re correct that Robert Covington, a quality rotation player on a bargain-basement four-year deal, is a more attractive trade asset than a wily 34-year-old earning $3 million.

    the underlined is not exactly true. Kobe, Shaq, Lebron, and Garnett just to name a few all won titles on teams they weren't drafted by.
    yeah it is.
    kobe's a technicality as he was essentially selected by charlotte for the lakers in a trade and he's only played for the lakers his entire career. with the other guys---they all went to form "super teams" with superstars who were drafted by the teams they went to (kobe in la, dwade in miami (obviously this happened twice with lebron and shaq), and pierce in boston).

    and the article says it's the "best way," not the only way.
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  • The Juggler
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    JK_Livin said:

    Spurs started a dynasty by tanking.

    yup. they just had much better luck than the sixers have had thus far.
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,908
    edited December 2015
    The Juggler said:

    JK_Livin said:

    Spurs started a dynasty by tanking.

    yup. they just had much better luck than the sixers have had thus far.
    yup it's bad luck to have the worst start and longest losing streak in NBA history. :rock_on:
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    pjhawks said:

    The Juggler said:

    JK_Livin said:

    Spurs started a dynasty by tanking.

    yup. they just had much better luck than the sixers have had thus far.
    yup it's bad luck to have the worst start and longest losing streak in NBA history. :rock_on:
    Ah, that's the intentional part. Luck comes into play when those ping pong balls get selected.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    Well, that's big
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  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,179
    Cliffy6745 said:

    Well, that's big

    that's what she said ( :tongue: sorry couldn't resist)
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,908
    The Juggler said:

    pjhawks said:

    The Juggler said:

    JK_Livin said:

    Spurs started a dynasty by tanking.

    yup. they just had much better luck than the sixers have had thus far.
    yup it's bad luck to have the worst start and longest losing streak in NBA history. :rock_on:
    Ah, that's the intentional part. Luck comes into play when those ping pong balls get selected.
    I guess the process has been changed. Hopefully Colangelo can make something out of the absolute mess Harris and Hinkie has put out there the last two years. As tonight shows this franchise is light years away from any sort of contention.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Good hire with but I don't see how anything has changed in the short term. I couldn't care less if they don't win another game this season. They would've been super active in free agency and trades next summer regardless. Brining in a guy like him, even if it's just an advisory type role from afar, can only help...

    Kudos to Harris for this move.
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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,273
    how did that fucker get to be where he is, anyway?
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • The Juggler
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    imalive said:

    how did that fucker get to be where he is, anyway?

    He took uber.
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    The Sixers should discount tickets to the fans attending and watching the atrocity out on the court.

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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,908
    The Juggler said:

    Good hire with but I don't see how anything has changed in the short term. I couldn't care less if they don't win another game this season. They would've been super active in free agency and trades next summer regardless. Brining in a guy like him, even if it's just an advisory type role from afar, can only help...

    Kudos to Harris for this move.

    nothing changed really? they just hired a new boss for the genius that some people called Hinkie. Not a good sign for Hinkie or his future here.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    edited December 2015
    pjhawks said:

    The Juggler said:

    Good hire with but I don't see how anything has changed in the short term. I couldn't care less if they don't win another game this season. They would've been super active in free agency and trades next summer regardless. Brining in a guy like him, even if it's just an advisory type role from afar, can only help...

    Kudos to Harris for this move.

    nothing changed really? they just hired a new boss for the genius that some people called Hinkie. Not a good sign for Hinkie or his future here.
    New boss? Dude, he's working from home in Phoenix. Think this has more to do with image and appeasing the NBA and people like you than it does changing their course of action. Next year was already going to be the year they start to compete anyway. So I don't see how that will change. An experienced guy like Collangelo can only help when they start to put the pieces together. Smart move by Harris.
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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,273
    stephen a. REALLY ripped your team this morning.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    http://deadspin.com/reports-the-nba-wants-sam-hinkie-out-of-the-paint-1746848561

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