Paris Attacks

callen · November 2015

rr165892 said:
I watched a great Farheed Zakaria doc on the rise of ISIS on CNN.Really interesting.They really go into the recruitment of the young male disenfranchised masses.Promising wives,money and power.These sheep are eating it up.The leadership is trying to convince them the west is at war with all Muslims.
These Jack knobs really are twisted.What I found the most interesting was that defeat can be achieved from within as the people they rule over are not happy with the way they govern and rule.This may be the key

USA USA USA!!! Oh we have our sheep as well.

rr165892 · November 2015

callen said:

rr165892 said:
I watched a great Farheed Zakaria doc on the rise of ISIS on CNN.Really interesting.They really go into the recruitment of the young male disenfranchised masses.Promising wives,money and power.These sheep are eating it up.The leadership is trying to convince them the west is at war with all Muslims.
These Jack knobs really are twisted.What I found the most interesting was that defeat can be achieved from within as the people they rule over are not happy with the way they govern and rule.This may be the key
USA USA USA!!! Oh we have our sheep as well.

Cal,you know it's not mandatory when discussing the Islamic wackos to throw ourselves under the bus right?
These radicals do enough bad shit without our help that we can talk about what's going on without always making it a blame shift.They can and should take full responsibility for their actions,regardless of what power vacuum the west created 15 years ago.
It's not Americans teaching little kids to behead and kill(I'm aware some in our country do it to ourselves like inner city gang violence and kids committing crimes)

rr165892 · November 2015

mickeyrat said:

rr165892 said:
I watched a great Farheed Zakaria doc on the rise of ISIS on CNN.Really interesting.They really go into the recruitment of the young male disenfranchised masses.Promising wives,money and power.These sheep are eating it up.The leadership is trying to convince them the west is at war with all Muslims.
These Jack knobs really are twisted.What I found the most interesting was that defeat can be achieved from within as the people they rule over are not happy with the way they govern and rule.This may be the key
As well cutting off revenue streams. My thought is limit the damage to civilian infrastructure. Impede or destroy the means they use to "govern" , cold hard cash. Look at how and where the weapons systems are coming from (outside of the american shit dropped on the field by retreating forces.

I think you got the other part of it here Mickey.We need this too.

callen · November 2015

rr165892 said:

callen said:

rr165892 said:
I watched a great Farheed Zakaria doc on the rise of ISIS on CNN.Really interesting.They really go into the recruitment of the young male disenfranchised masses.Promising wives,money and power.These sheep are eating it up.The leadership is trying to convince them the west is at war with all Muslims.
These Jack knobs really are twisted.What I found the most interesting was that defeat can be achieved from within as the people they rule over are not happy with the way they govern and rule.This may be the key
USA USA USA!!! Oh we have our sheep as well.

Cal,you know it's not mandatory when discussing the Islamic wackos to throw ourselves under the bus right?
These radicals do enough bad shit without our help that we can talk about what's going on without always making it a blame shift.They can and should take full responsibility for their actions,regardless of what power vacuum the west created 15 years ago.
It's not Americans teaching little kids to behead and kill(I'm aware some in our country do it to ourselves like inner city gang violence and kids committing crimes)

Just pointing out we indoctrinate kids as well. And we do bomb and blow up little kids. And we also use religion as reason to kill.

rr165892 · November 2015

Not the same.We don't indoctrinate them to kill in school and at such a young age.They live by medevil type rules,with barbaric shit.For all our faults We are NOTHING like that.

mickeyrat · November 2015

rr165892 said:
Not the same.We don't indoctrinate them to kill in school and at such a young age.They live by medevil type rules,with barbaric shit.For all our faults We are NOTHING like that.

no, we have a group of guys in nevada who go home every night after killing folks with drones.

we also have a military that garners over 50% of our nations budget and of that , hundreds of millions is spent on advertizing.

Same barbaric shit, just different clothes.

PJ_Soul · November 2015

mickeyrat said:

rr165892 said:
Not the same.We don't indoctrinate them to kill in school and at such a young age.They live by medevil type rules,with barbaric shit.For all our faults We are NOTHING like that.
no, we have a group of guys in nevada who go home every night after killing folks with drones.

we also have a military that garners over 50% of our nations budget and of that , hundreds of millions is spent on advertizing.

Same barbaric shit, just different clothes.

I recently learned through John Oliver that the military is actually arranging and paying for many of those live sports presentations where the stadium or arena honours military service. You know when they haul out flags, have soldiers sing national anthems or drop the puck, etc etc? The lottle ceremonies before games and at halftimes that pluck at the heart strings and get the nationalistic American hearts warm? Planned and paid for by Uncle Sam! Not that's some clever propaganda!
Sick. I believe that the US military and government are in full swing brainwashing of the population mode.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · November 2015

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

rr165892 said:
Not the same.We don't indoctrinate them to kill in school and at such a young age.They live by medevil type rules,with barbaric shit.For all our faults We are NOTHING like that.
no, we have a group of guys in nevada who go home every night after killing folks with drones.

we also have a military that garners over 50% of our nations budget and of that , hundreds of millions is spent on advertizing.

Same barbaric shit, just different clothes.
I recently learned through John Oliver that the military is actually arranging and paying for many of those live sports presentations where the stadium or arena honours military service. You know when they haul out flags, have soldiers sing national anthems or drop the puck, etc etc? The lottle ceremonies before games and at halftimes that pluck at the heart strings and get the nationalistic American hearts warm? Planned and paid for by Uncle Sam! Not that's some clever propaganda!
Sick. I believe that the US military and government are in full swing brainwashing of the population mode.

I would love to drop bombs from drones on isis for my day job.
It would be fantastic.
I am happy to see the US recognize their military at public events - shows that they are equals.
I don't believe for a second PJsoul that you would say these things to a service member.

rr165892 · November 2015

Mickey,are you fucking kidding me.A drone pilot is not a 7 year old beheading someone.And the human excrement they target are deserving.
Pretty typical response though for some on here.I should be used to it by now.You guys can't critique the terrorists without coming back with a jab at the Americans.Its almost like you got relative over there or something.Makes me wonder.

rr165892 · November 2015

Cmon PJ,your better than that.

PJ_Soul · November 2015

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

rr165892 said:
Not the same.We don't indoctrinate them to kill in school and at such a young age.They live by medevil type rules,with barbaric shit.For all our faults We are NOTHING like that.
no, we have a group of guys in nevada who go home every night after killing folks with drones.

we also have a military that garners over 50% of our nations budget and of that , hundreds of millions is spent on advertizing.

Same barbaric shit, just different clothes.
I recently learned through John Oliver that the military is actually arranging and paying for many of those live sports presentations where the stadium or arena honours military service. You know when they haul out flags, have soldiers sing national anthems or drop the puck, etc etc? The lottle ceremonies before games and at halftimes that pluck at the heart strings and get the nationalistic American hearts warm? Planned and paid for by Uncle Sam! Not that's some clever propaganda!
Sick. I believe that the US military and government are in full swing brainwashing of the population mode.
I would love to drop bombs from drones on isis for my day job.
It would be fantastic.
I am happy to see the US recognize their military at public events - shows that they are equals.
I don't believe for a second PJsoul that you would say these things to a service member.

I guess you don't know me very well, lol. Sure I would (and have!). Why wouldn't I?? I don't consider what I said a personal insult towards service members. It's an insult towards the military complex.

PJ_Soul · November 2015

rr165892 said:
Cmon PJ,your better than that.

(*you're)
Are you talking to me?
If so, Wtf are you talking about? Better than what? Recognizing propaganda when I see it?

rgambs · November 2015

rr165892 said:
Mickey,are you fucking kidding me.A drone pilot is not a 7 year old beheading someone.And the human excrement they target are deserving.
Pretty typical response though for some on here.I should be used to it by now.You guys can't critique the terrorists without coming back with a jab at the Americans.Its almost like you got relative over there or something.Makes me wonder.

Sure, the ones they target are...sometimes. Sometimes they are AP journalists, first responders, children, etc. Then there are those who weren't targeted but are in the wrong place at the wrong time, they must be considered as well.

The jab at America's responsibility in creating terrorism is absolutely necessary to keep in check the bullshit rhetoric that gets shoved down every American throat who comes into minimal contact with the MIC and the politicians, businesses, and dumbass neocons.
Glossing over our responsibility in creating this problem only furthers the agenda of those who would have the status quo maintained.

rr165892 · November 2015

Gambsy,yes of course there will be collateral damage.Thats a given.And it's sad.We have discussed many times over the years The west responsibility in what is the present day Middle East and North Africa.I couldn't agree more about our copeability in how this whole thing came to be.And we have blood on our hands that is what we are feeling the effect of now.

My point to Mickey and anyone else is that why the fuck does everyone feel they need to counter EVERY single posts hats negative about ISIS with a negative post about America?Why must. This be justified? It sounds like those saying that are excusing the actions of the Islamic fundamentalists and blaming their actions on us.Thats bullshit,and not nescessary.We have plenty to be ashamed of,but lots to be proud of.I for one get sick of the soft ass excuses.

And yes PJSoul I was talking to you.You have a very similar take to Callen on that.I just don't agree with you.that is all.

PJ_Soul · November 2015

Interesting.... I don't at all get the impression that anyone is ever excusing the actions of ISIS. Never.

rr165892 · November 2015

PJ_Soul said:
Interesting.... I don't at all get the impression that anyone is ever excusing the actions of ISIS. Never.

Maybe not excusing but projecting blame on others,definitely.

PJ_Soul · November 2015

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:
Interesting.... I don't at all get the impression that anyone is ever excusing the actions of ISIS. Never.
Maybe not excusing but projecting blame on others,definitely.

Again I disagree. Not projecting blame, or deflecting. I think there is simply enough blame to spread around without taking what's deserved away from any guilty party.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · November 2015

PJ_Soul said:
Interesting.... I don't at all get the impression that anyone is ever excusing the actions of ISIS. Never.

When a post intent on criticizing ISIS is quickly and habitually countered with 2-3 posts explaining why the US ultimately bears the responsibility for ISIS... this presents, at a minimum and without question, the optics of a justification.

PJ_Soul · November 2015

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:
Interesting.... I don't at all get the impression that anyone is ever excusing the actions of ISIS. Never.
When a post intent on criticizing ISIS is quickly and habitually countered with 2-3 posts explaining why the US ultimately bears the responsibility for ISIS... this presents, at a minimum and without question, the optics of a justification.

I have never had the impression. Justification?? No way. An ultimate cause of the problem? Perhaps. I personally don't buy into that because it's too simplistic, but it's certainly a piece of the large puzzle.

PJ_Soul · November 2015

Adding to that, I also think people are reacting like that because they are inspired to go into defense mode against all the Islamophobia and xenophobia (not in support of ISIS) which has been very, very hard to take in recent weeks. It's been quite upsetting IMO. If some people are unintentionally overcompensating for that, I can barely blame them.

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