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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    rgambs said:

    That story about the "hero" cop that was a victim of the "war on cops" has become pretty crazy. He was a bit of a ne'er-do-well it turns out.
    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/563c9b73e4b0307f2cacff0d

    What an idiot.
    He had to know the ballistics would be suspicious if they were scrutinized at all.
    This is one of the strangest stories around right now.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    If you have empathy you are less judgmental.

    I'm not so sure about this.

    You seem like a fellow that cares deeply, yet you are very judgemental.
    Ha. Irony TB. You just judged me and you do it often. But yes I'm guilty as well. We go at it hard BUT in spirit of debating.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    callen said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    If you have empathy you are less judgmental.

    I'm not so sure about this.

    You seem like a fellow that cares deeply, yet you are very judgemental.
    Ha. Irony TB. You just judged me and you do it often. But yes I'm guilty as well. We go at it hard BUT in spirit of debating.
    Wait a second... I never have said I'm not judgemental. I am. I would like to add a qualifier to that though- I'm judgemental if one gives me good reason to be. I don't think I'm alone in these parts having said that.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    If you have empathy you are less judgmental.

    I think you're thinking of sympathy, not empathy.
    No empathy.
    Would you like to explain your thought process on that? It's OT so I don't wanna press, but I am curious as to your reasoning because I don't see it.
    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    If you have empathy you are less judgmental.

    I think you're thinking of sympathy, not empathy.
    No empathy.
    Would you like to explain your thought process on that? It's OT so I don't wanna press, but I am curious as to your reasoning because I don't see it.
    On topic though had this thought thinking about a young man in office that was given 4 year degree to good college, given job at top corporation recruited out of college, had strong family, never hungry or cold yet walking with him on streets of city and he made disparaging remarks on the homeless.

    So thought of the student/cop confrontation and just reinforced how I saw her differently from some of my fellow train members.

    I saw a minor, a female, an adolescent, in difficult environment(school), African American, likely poor (yes she had a fkn cell phone) not included in the American dream rebelling. I see her struggles and can't imagine how all that must suck. Then the man, a WHITE COP, coming in and laying his hand on her. Empathy. Using wrong definition?
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    edited November 2015
    rgambs said:

    That story about the "hero" cop that was a victim of the "war on cops" has become pretty crazy. He was a bit of a ne'er-do-well it turns out.
    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/563c9b73e4b0307f2cacff0d

    Holly shit. Last thing I remember hearing about this was the manhunt for the three suspects. That's one fucked up story.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    callen said:

    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    If you have empathy you are less judgmental.

    I think you're thinking of sympathy, not empathy.
    No empathy.
    Would you like to explain your thought process on that? It's OT so I don't wanna press, but I am curious as to your reasoning because I don't see it.
    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    If you have empathy you are less judgmental.

    I think you're thinking of sympathy, not empathy.
    No empathy.
    Would you like to explain your thought process on that? It's OT so I don't wanna press, but I am curious as to your reasoning because I don't see it.
    On topic though had this thought thinking about a young man in office that was given 4 year degree to good college, given job at top corporation recruited out of college, had strong family, never hungry or cold yet walking with him on streets of city and he made disparaging remarks on the homeless.

    So thought of the student/cop confrontation and just reinforced how I saw her differently from some of my fellow train members.

    I saw a minor, a female, an adolescent, in difficult environment(school), African American, likely poor (yes she had a fkn cell phone) not included in the American dream rebelling. I see her struggles and can't imagine how all that must suck. Then the man, a WHITE COP, coming in and laying his hand on her. Empathy. Using wrong definition?
    The situation you depict is unfairly laid at the cop's feet.

    Society is a whole is responsible for the problems you lament. The cop was being a cop. Yes... seemingly excessive... but we don't train our cops to be social workers: we train them to be problem solvers and we place upon them the most challenging problems.

    He did give her one last chance before resorting to forceful tactics. As I've said... the gig was up. There was no need for her to die on the sword- she had made her point long before.
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  • ldent42
    ldent42 NYC Posts: 7,859
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    If you have empathy you are less judgmental.

    I think you're thinking of sympathy, not empathy.
    No empathy.
    Would you like to explain your thought process on that? It's OT so I don't wanna press, but I am curious as to your reasoning because I don't see it.
    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    If you have empathy you are less judgmental.

    I think you're thinking of sympathy, not empathy.
    No empathy.
    Would you like to explain your thought process on that? It's OT so I don't wanna press, but I am curious as to your reasoning because I don't see it.
    On topic though had this thought thinking about a young man in office that was given 4 year degree to good college, given job at top corporation recruited out of college, had strong family, never hungry or cold yet walking with him on streets of city and he made disparaging remarks on the homeless.

    So thought of the student/cop confrontation and just reinforced how I saw her differently from some of my fellow train members.

    I saw a minor, a female, an adolescent, in difficult environment(school), African American, likely poor (yes she had a fkn cell phone) not included in the American dream rebelling. I see her struggles and can't imagine how all that must suck. Then the man, a WHITE COP, coming in and laying his hand on her. Empathy. Using wrong definition?
    The situation you depict is unfairly laid at the cop's feet.

    Society is a whole is responsible for the problems you lament. The cop was being a cop. Yes... seemingly excessive... but we don't train our cops to be social workers: we train them to be problem solvers and we place upon them the most challenging problems.

    He did give her one last chance before resorting to forceful tactics. As I've said... the gig was up. There was no need for her to die on the sword- she had made her point long before.
    The question at hand though is does that qualify as empathy or sympathy? The privileged man disparaging the homeless was clearly lacking empathy. But does callen's perspective of the student qualify as empathy or sympathy? I'd say it's hard to tell.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    callen said:

    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    If you have empathy you are less judgmental.

    I think you're thinking of sympathy, not empathy.
    No empathy.
    Would you like to explain your thought process on that? It's OT so I don't wanna press, but I am curious as to your reasoning because I don't see it.
    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    If you have empathy you are less judgmental.

    I think you're thinking of sympathy, not empathy.
    No empathy.
    Would you like to explain your thought process on that? It's OT so I don't wanna press, but I am curious as to your reasoning because I don't see it.
    On topic though had this thought thinking about a young man in office that was given 4 year degree to good college, given job at top corporation recruited out of college, had strong family, never hungry or cold yet walking with him on streets of city and he made disparaging remarks on the homeless.

    So thought of the student/cop confrontation and just reinforced how I saw her differently from some of my fellow train members.

    I saw a minor, a female, an adolescent, in difficult environment(school), African American, likely poor (yes she had a fkn cell phone) not included in the American dream rebelling. I see her struggles and can't imagine how all that must suck. Then the man, a WHITE COP, coming in and laying his hand on her. Empathy. Using wrong definition?
    I also think you're talking about sympathy here. If it were empathy, you COULD imagine how all that must suck.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    ldent42 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    If you have empathy you are less judgmental.

    I think you're thinking of sympathy, not empathy.
    No empathy.
    Would you like to explain your thought process on that? It's OT so I don't wanna press, but I am curious as to your reasoning because I don't see it.
    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    If you have empathy you are less judgmental.

    I think you're thinking of sympathy, not empathy.
    No empathy.
    Would you like to explain your thought process on that? It's OT so I don't wanna press, but I am curious as to your reasoning because I don't see it.
    On topic though had this thought thinking about a young man in office that was given 4 year degree to good college, given job at top corporation recruited out of college, had strong family, never hungry or cold yet walking with him on streets of city and he made disparaging remarks on the homeless.

    So thought of the student/cop confrontation and just reinforced how I saw her differently from some of my fellow train members.

    I saw a minor, a female, an adolescent, in difficult environment(school), African American, likely poor (yes she had a fkn cell phone) not included in the American dream rebelling. I see her struggles and can't imagine how all that must suck. Then the man, a WHITE COP, coming in and laying his hand on her. Empathy. Using wrong definition?
    The situation you depict is unfairly laid at the cop's feet.

    Society is a whole is responsible for the problems you lament. The cop was being a cop. Yes... seemingly excessive... but we don't train our cops to be social workers: we train them to be problem solvers and we place upon them the most challenging problems.

    He did give her one last chance before resorting to forceful tactics. As I've said... the gig was up. There was no need for her to die on the sword- she had made her point long before.
    The question at hand though is does that qualify as empathy or sympathy? The privileged man disparaging the homeless was clearly lacking empathy. But does callen's perspective of the student qualify as empathy or sympathy? I'd say it's hard to tell.
    I think it's a successful blend of both.

    As a side... you can empathize or sympathize with the girl and still be critical of her behaviour.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    ldent42 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    If you have empathy you are less judgmental.

    I think you're thinking of sympathy, not empathy.
    No empathy.
    Would you like to explain your thought process on that? It's OT so I don't wanna press, but I am curious as to your reasoning because I don't see it.
    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    If you have empathy you are less judgmental.

    I think you're thinking of sympathy, not empathy.
    No empathy.
    Would you like to explain your thought process on that? It's OT so I don't wanna press, but I am curious as to your reasoning because I don't see it.
    On topic though had this thought thinking about a young man in office that was given 4 year degree to good college, given job at top corporation recruited out of college, had strong family, never hungry or cold yet walking with him on streets of city and he made disparaging remarks on the homeless.

    So thought of the student/cop confrontation and just reinforced how I saw her differently from some of my fellow train members.

    I saw a minor, a female, an adolescent, in difficult environment(school), African American, likely poor (yes she had a fkn cell phone) not included in the American dream rebelling. I see her struggles and can't imagine how all that must suck. Then the man, a WHITE COP, coming in and laying his hand on her. Empathy. Using wrong definition?
    The situation you depict is unfairly laid at the cop's feet.

    Society is a whole is responsible for the problems you lament. The cop was being a cop. Yes... seemingly excessive... but we don't train our cops to be social workers: we train them to be problem solvers and we place upon them the most challenging problems.

    He did give her one last chance before resorting to forceful tactics. As I've said... the gig was up. There was no need for her to die on the sword- she had made her point long before.
    The question at hand though is does that qualify as empathy or sympathy? The privileged man disparaging the homeless was clearly lacking empathy. But does callen's perspective of the student qualify as empathy or sympathy? I'd say it's hard to tell.
    I think it's a successful blend of both.

    As a side... you can empathize or sympathize with the girl and still be critical of her behaviour.
    Sure can. Street runs both ways.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    ldent42 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    If you have empathy you are less judgmental.

    I think you're thinking of sympathy, not empathy.
    No empathy.
    Would you like to explain your thought process on that? It's OT so I don't wanna press, but I am curious as to your reasoning because I don't see it.
    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    ldent42 said:

    callen said:

    If you have empathy you are less judgmental.

    I think you're thinking of sympathy, not empathy.
    No empathy.
    Would you like to explain your thought process on that? It's OT so I don't wanna press, but I am curious as to your reasoning because I don't see it.
    On topic though had this thought thinking about a young man in office that was given 4 year degree to good college, given job at top corporation recruited out of college, had strong family, never hungry or cold yet walking with him on streets of city and he made disparaging remarks on the homeless.

    So thought of the student/cop confrontation and just reinforced how I saw her differently from some of my fellow train members.

    I saw a minor, a female, an adolescent, in difficult environment(school), African American, likely poor (yes she had a fkn cell phone) not included in the American dream rebelling. I see her struggles and can't imagine how all that must suck. Then the man, a WHITE COP, coming in and laying his hand on her. Empathy. Using wrong definition?
    The situation you depict is unfairly laid at the cop's feet.

    Society is a whole is responsible for the problems you lament. The cop was being a cop. Yes... seemingly excessive... but we don't train our cops to be social workers: we train them to be problem solvers and we place upon them the most challenging problems.

    He did give her one last chance before resorting to forceful tactics. As I've said... the gig was up. There was no need for her to die on the sword- she had made her point long before.
    The question at hand though is does that qualify as empathy or sympathy? The privileged man disparaging the homeless was clearly lacking empathy. But does callen's perspective of the student qualify as empathy or sympathy? I'd say it's hard to tell.
    I think it's a successful blend of both.

    As a side... you can empathize or sympathize with the girl and still be critical of her behaviour.
    Yes, of course. Just like you can feel sorry for yourself but still acknowledge that you did something stupid to cause whatever it is you feel bad about.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/06/us/louisiana-child-shooting-officers-arrested/index.html

    Officers arrested in shooting death of 6-year-old boy in Louisiana

    "We took some of the body cam footage. I'm not gonna talk about it, but I'm gonna tell you this -- it is the most disturbing thing I've seen and I will leave it at that," Edmonson said Friday night.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    dignin said:

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/06/us/louisiana-child-shooting-officers-arrested/index.html

    Officers arrested in shooting death of 6-year-old boy in Louisiana

    "We took some of the body cam footage. I'm not gonna talk about it, but I'm gonna tell you this -- it is the most disturbing thing I've seen and I will leave it at that," Edmonson said Friday night.

    This one has very few details, I haven't found anything more than this account gives. I have to wonder why it's so disturbing and what sort of pursuit was occuring.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    http://m.wafb.com/wafb/db_330682/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=OO3eA1sA

    A few more scant details in this one.
    The response to the incident seems to have been measured, thoughtful, and unbiased. There were some classy remarks and it seems it's being handled with skill and tact.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    rgambs said:

    http://m.wafb.com/wafb/db_330682/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=OO3eA1sA

    A few more scant details in this one.
    The response to the incident seems to have been measured, thoughtful, and unbiased. There were some classy remarks and it seems it's being handled with skill and tact.

    Police departments shoot themselves in the foot sometimes.

    Just like any union, when they circle the wagons and try and protect one of their poorly performing members, they end up looking badly and as a consequence... they tarnish their image.

    When any member of any profession acts poorly in the line of duty... let them own their behaviour. It sounds as if something brutal went down and the department is not standing behind it. This is an awful story.

    * As a side... people... do not run from the police. I always teach my kids to 'account for the moron'- meaning... don't place your life in someone else's hands: anticipate poor moves by bad drivers, double check intersections, and never assume a cop with a gun will deal with you fairly.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    http://time.com/4103770/louisiana-police-charged-with-murder-of-6-year-old-boy/?xid=time_socialflow_facebook

    Don't know why they started firing or why this was a chase.... but i figure it's pretty big news when cops are charged for murdering a child.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    rgambs said:

    http://m.wafb.com/wafb/db_330682/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=OO3eA1sA

    A few more scant details in this one.
    The response to the incident seems to have been measured, thoughtful, and unbiased. There were some classy remarks and it seems it's being handled with skill and tact.

    Police departments shoot themselves in the foot sometimes.

    Just like any union, when they circle the wagons and try and protect one of their poorly performing members, they end up looking badly and as a consequence... they tarnish their image.

    When any member of any profession acts poorly in the line of duty... let them own their behaviour. It sounds as if something brutal went down and the department is not standing behind it. This is an awful story.

    * As a side... people... do not run from the police. I always teach my kids to 'account for the moron'- meaning... don't place your life in someone else's hands: anticipate poor moves by bad drivers, double check intersections, and never assume a cop with a gun will deal with you fairly.
    Yeah, the measured approach is good from all angles, including protecting the officers from knee-jerk reactions when the facts are not yet known.

    Running from police with your child is ridiculous. That is such aserious endangerment, if he was running he should be charged right along with those officers.

    I really wonder about this one, I have to think he wasn't driving aggressively or the video wouldn't be so disturbing and the charges wouldn't be filed.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    rgambs said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    rgambs said:

    http://m.wafb.com/wafb/db_330682/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=OO3eA1sA

    A few more scant details in this one.
    The response to the incident seems to have been measured, thoughtful, and unbiased. There were some classy remarks and it seems it's being handled with skill and tact.

    Police departments shoot themselves in the foot sometimes.

    Just like any union, when they circle the wagons and try and protect one of their poorly performing members, they end up looking badly and as a consequence... they tarnish their image.

    When any member of any profession acts poorly in the line of duty... let them own their behaviour. It sounds as if something brutal went down and the department is not standing behind it. This is an awful story.

    * As a side... people... do not run from the police. I always teach my kids to 'account for the moron'- meaning... don't place your life in someone else's hands: anticipate poor moves by bad drivers, double check intersections, and never assume a cop with a gun will deal with you fairly.
    Yeah, the measured approach is good from all angles, including protecting the officers from knee-jerk reactions when the facts are not yet known.

    Running from police with your child is ridiculous. That is such aserious endangerment, if he was running he should be charged right along with those officers.

    I really wonder about this one, I have to think he wasn't driving aggressively or the video wouldn't be so disturbing and the charges wouldn't be filed.
    I can't see this one unfolding in favour of the officers in question.

    The department has already detached themselves from them- its likely for good reason.

    I'm glad you understood what I was getting at by speaking to the stupidity of endangering your child's life playing chase with the cops.
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  • muskydan
    muskydan Posts: 1,013
    PJ_Soul said:

    ldent42 said:

    I'm not excusing her belligerence. I've said over and over and over that she was wrong. But her being wrong did not justify that officer's response. So much else could have been done.

    And that is where most of these problems stem from. Most police abuse is not just a cop completely going nuts and attacking innocent people. It is usually a cop not acting appropriately given the specific situation. The offending cops simply neglect to use constraint. Too often, they fail to consider all possibilities and then choose the best option that will minimize harm. I feel like this is mostly due to the fact that the type of people who are becoming cops are inappropriate for the role, but also due to inadequate training. Everything I just said is about problem cops, not all cops.
    I wish that police forces would focus more on the kind of person each recruit is, and would reject those who don't meet high expectations. I think they need to focus more on the intellectuality of potential officers, and specifically try harder to weed out the ones who lack the intellect to empathize with the public on different levels, to properly evaluate situations, and to use restraint in tense situations. I think they should pay particular attention to recruits who display that 'Rambo' type of attitude without matching it with a certain level of intellect and social awareness. I also think that cops should be paid more, generally (I know some places pay way more than others) in order to attract a bigger, better pool of people to choose from, so that forces aren't forced to take in a bunch of fucking aggro-yokels.
    PJ_Soul said:

    ldent42 said:

    I'm not excusing her belligerence. I've said over and over and over that she was wrong. But her being wrong did not justify that officer's response. So much else could have been done.

    And that is where most of these problems stem from. Most police abuse is not just a cop completely going nuts and attacking innocent people. It is usually a cop not acting appropriately given the specific situation. The offending cops simply neglect to use constraint. Too often, they fail to consider all possibilities and then choose the best option that will minimize harm. I feel like this is mostly due to the fact that the type of people who are becoming cops are inappropriate for the role, but also due to inadequate training. Everything I just said is about problem cops, not all cops.
    I wish that police forces would focus more on the kind of person each recruit is, and would reject those who don't meet high expectations. I think they need to focus more on the intellectuality of potential officers, and specifically try harder to weed out the ones who lack the intellect to empathize with the public on different levels, to properly evaluate situations, and to use restraint in tense situations. I think they should pay particular attention to recruits who display that 'Rambo' type of attitude without matching it with a certain level of intellect and social awareness. I also think that cops should be paid more, generally (I know some places pay way more than others) in order to attract a bigger, better pool of people to choose from, so that forces aren't forced to take in a bunch of fucking aggro-yokels.
    PJ_Soul said:

    ldent42 said:

    I'm not excusing her belligerence. I've said over and over and over that she was wrong. But her being wrong did not justify that officer's response. So much else could have been done.

    And that is where most of these problems stem from. Most police abuse is not just a cop completely going nuts and attacking innocent people. It is usually a cop not acting appropriately given the specific situation. The offending cops simply neglect to use constraint. Too often, they fail to consider all possibilities and then choose the best option that will minimize harm. I feel like this is mostly due to the fact that the type of people who are becoming cops are inappropriate for the role, but also due to inadequate training. Everything I just said is about problem cops, not all cops.
    I wish that police forces would focus more on the kind of person each recruit is, and would reject those who don't meet high expectations. I think they need to focus more on the intellectuality of potential officers, and specifically try harder to weed out the ones who lack the intellect to empathize with the public on different levels, to properly evaluate situations, and to use restraint in tense situations. I think they should pay particular attention to recruits who display that 'Rambo' type of attitude without matching it with a certain level of intellect and social awareness. I also think that cops should be paid more, generally (I know some places pay way more than others) in order to attract a bigger, better pool of people to choose from, so that forces aren't forced to take in a bunch of fucking aggro-yokels.
    PJ_Soul said:

    ldent42 said:

    I'm not excusing her belligerence. I've said over and over and over that she was wrong. But her being wrong did not justify that officer's response. So much else could have been done.

    And that is where most of these problems stem from. Most police abuse is not just a cop completely going nuts and attacking innocent people. It is usually a cop not acting appropriately given the specific situation. The offending cops simply neglect to use constraint. Too often, they fail to consider all possibilities and then choose the best option that will minimize harm. I feel like this is mostly due to the fact that the type of people who are becoming cops are inappropriate for the role, but also due to inadequate training. Everything I just said is about problem cops, not all cops.
    I wish that police forces would focus more on the kind of person each recruit is, and would reject those who don't meet high expectations. I think they need to focus more on the intellectuality of potential officers, and specifically try harder to weed out the ones who lack the intellect to empathize with the public on different levels, to properly evaluate situations, and to use restraint in tense situations. I think they should pay particular attention to recruits who display that 'Rambo' type of attitude without matching it with a certain level of intellect and social awareness. I also think that cops should be paid more, generally (I know some places pay way more than others) in order to attract a bigger, better pool of people to choose from, so that forces aren't forced to take in a bunch of fucking aggro-yokels.
    See, that is where you are wrong, and understandably so since I doubt you have ever been in a situation like this. Once an officer is resisted the Officer friendly mode stops immediately and the subject becomes a active resister. All sorts of legal steps could have been used at that point per the use of first module....Billy club to non vital areas of body, teazer if you can get to it same as Mace. He actually choose the kindest way by Risking his own safety by going hands on. Countless of officers have been killed by their own weapon during hands on arrest situations..even by 14 year old girls and 80 year old women. I have said this many times before, police are not paid to play fair. It's never pretty ...
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    Musky.

    That was a quad quote.

    Badass, man. Badass!
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