Police abuse

rr165892

Daddy issues

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

You should look at this.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls#disablemobile

Disturbing, definitely. So what's tell solution?? Obviously this has nothing to do with skin colour. So where do Americans need to focus? So far they can't et off the skin colour, and obviously that is doing nothing for anyone.

The stat that actually stands out most to me is the ratio of male murderers vs female. Seems to me that the REAL issue is men. Why aren't men trying to confront THAT rather than focusing on colour??

What would be telling is to compare that data with population demographics.

The big problem isn't so much race as it is gender. F**king men. Just have to be violent.

Edit: I just noticed we said the same thing. I should have read your post more carefully. I suck. Upside to my suckage? We agree on something LOL!

PJ_Soul

rr165892 said:

Daddy issues

Pardon?

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

You should look at this.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls#disablemobile

Disturbing, definitely. So what's tell solution?? Obviously this has nothing to do with skin colour. So where do Americans need to focus? So far they can't et off the skin colour, and obviously that is doing nothing for anyone.

The stat that actually stands out most to me is the ratio of male murderers vs female. Seems to me that the REAL issue is men. Why aren't men trying to confront THAT rather than focusing on colour??

What would be telling is to compare that data with population demographics.

The big problem isn't so much race as it is gender. F**king men. Just have to be violent.

Right. The real problem is men. So what are you people going to do about it? So far, the most common reaction seems to be a shrug if the shoulders and a crazy claim that men can't help it, which is obviously bullshit.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

You should look at this.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls#disablemobile

Disturbing, definitely. So what's tell solution?? Obviously this has nothing to do with skin colour. So where do Americans need to focus? So far they can't et off the skin colour, and obviously that is doing nothing for anyone.

The stat that actually stands out most to me is the ratio of male murderers vs female. Seems to me that the REAL issue is men. Why aren't men trying to confront THAT rather than focusing on colour??

What would be telling is to compare that data with population demographics.

The big problem isn't so much race as it is gender. F**king men. Just have to be violent.

Right. The real problem is men. So what are you people going to do about it? So far, the most common reaction seems to be a shrug if the shoulders and a crazy claim that men can't help it, which is obviously bullshit.

See my edited post. I'm an idiot.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

You should look at this.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls#disablemobile

Disturbing, definitely. So what's tell solution?? Obviously this has nothing to do with skin colour. So where do Americans need to focus? So far they can't et off the skin colour, and obviously that is doing nothing for anyone.

The stat that actually stands out most to me is the ratio of male murderers vs female. Seems to me that the REAL issue is men. Why aren't men trying to confront THAT rather than focusing on colour??

What would be telling is to compare that data with population demographics.

The big problem isn't so much race as it is gender. F**king men. Just have to be violent.

Right. The real problem is men. So what are you people going to do about it? So far, the most common reaction seems to be a shrug if the shoulders and a crazy claim that men can't help it, which is obviously bullshit.

See my edited post. I'm an idiot.

Lol, no you're not. I could tell you missed my last paragraph, no worries.
And I'm not sure if you noticed, but we actually agree on a semi-regular basis about stuff, when we're not disagreeing.

But back to the gender thing.... I have tried to discuss this issue in the past but have been met by such shocking indifference and apathy that I keep dropping it until it comes up again. The biggest problem in the world is the very thing that everyone, and particularly the ones who are the only ones to help it, wants to ignore. That includes governments and other bodies involved in trying to make the world a safer place. It's incredibly vexing. I consider it the biggest story on the face of the planet and no one seems to give a shit.

rr165892

PJ_Soul said:

rr165892 said:

Daddy issues

Pardon?

I would be willing to bet a large majority of the men committing these murders,regardless of color have not had the positive influence or guidance of a powerful father figure in their lives.This is epidemic in some of our more ethnic communities.This is fact.

PJ_Soul

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

rr165892 said:

Daddy issues

Pardon?

I would be willing to bet a large majority of the men committing these murders,regardless of color have not had the positive influence or guidance of a powerful father figure in their lives.This is epidemic in some of our more ethnic communities.This is fact.

Can I please see your research?

dignin

rr165892 said:

Indifference71 said:

callen said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

rgambs said:

http://chicagoreporter.com/how-chicago-tried-to-cover-up-a-police-execution/

Tell me again about how 99% of cops are good guys. This story plays out again and again, and police apologists brush it aside as anecdotal or unsubstantiated.
We NEED oversight from the outside.

You are right police need a better oversight in place. However why is there only outcry when a police officer does it? There have been over 2000 shot in Chicago. What has Rahm Emanuel done for the city. It is time the citizens take back the city from the crooks. It is time for the police and the city to work together.

Because the police are the police and criminals are criminals. When those hired to protect and serve kill and cover it up it's just a little worse.

Yep, it may be a little worse. But the selective outrage is what drives me nuts. I'm sure it has been talked about around here but where are the protests for something like this? A fucking 9 year old kid murdered by some fucking animal.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/us/chicago-tyshawn-lee-arrest/

I brought this up also.Its not sexy (or hip and PC)to speak out about black on black violence.They can't blame the white cop when those folks are killed at the hands of another black member of the community.In fact I read that over 90% of all black folks killed in this country are killed by other black folks.Only like 2% is killed by whites and even less than that for cops.So maybe we should be looking at where the problem really is.

Start another thread about that then.

rr165892

dignin said:

rr165892 said:

Indifference71 said:

callen said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

rgambs said:

http://chicagoreporter.com/how-chicago-tried-to-cover-up-a-police-execution/

Tell me again about how 99% of cops are good guys. This story plays out again and again, and police apologists brush it aside as anecdotal or unsubstantiated.
We NEED oversight from the outside.

You are right police need a better oversight in place. However why is there only outcry when a police officer does it? There have been over 2000 shot in Chicago. What has Rahm Emanuel done for the city. It is time the citizens take back the city from the crooks. It is time for the police and the city to work together.

Because the police are the police and criminals are criminals. When those hired to protect and serve kill and cover it up it's just a little worse.

Yep, it may be a little worse. But the selective outrage is what drives me nuts. I'm sure it has been talked about around here but where are the protests for something like this? A fucking 9 year old kid murdered by some fucking animal.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/us/chicago-tyshawn-lee-arrest/

I brought this up also.Its not sexy (or hip and PC)to speak out about black on black violence.They can't blame the white cop when those folks are killed at the hands of another black member of the community.In fact I read that over 90% of all black folks killed in this country are killed by other black folks.Only like 2% is killed by whites and even less than that for cops.So maybe we should be looking at where the problem really is.

Start another thread about that then.

Dig,do we really need another thread about another like subject with the same posters weighing in for and against just like all the previous threads on the similar topic?

PJ_Soul

dignin said:

rr165892 said:

Indifference71 said:

callen said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

rgambs said:

http://chicagoreporter.com/how-chicago-tried-to-cover-up-a-police-execution/

Tell me again about how 99% of cops are good guys. This story plays out again and again, and police apologists brush it aside as anecdotal or unsubstantiated.
We NEED oversight from the outside.

You are right police need a better oversight in place. However why is there only outcry when a police officer does it? There have been over 2000 shot in Chicago. What has Rahm Emanuel done for the city. It is time the citizens take back the city from the crooks. It is time for the police and the city to work together.

Because the police are the police and criminals are criminals. When those hired to protect and serve kill and cover it up it's just a little worse.

Yep, it may be a little worse. But the selective outrage is what drives me nuts. I'm sure it has been talked about around here but where are the protests for something like this? A fucking 9 year old kid murdered by some fucking animal.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/us/chicago-tyshawn-lee-arrest/

I brought this up also.Its not sexy (or hip and PC)to speak out about black on black violence.They can't blame the white cop when those folks are killed at the hands of another black member of the community.In fact I read that over 90% of all black folks killed in this country are killed by other black folks.Only like 2% is killed by whites and even less than that for cops.So maybe we should be looking at where the problem really is.

Start another thread about that then.

There already is one - the one where black people are scary.

rr165892

PJ_Soul said:

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

rr165892 said:

Daddy issues

Pardon?

I would be willing to bet a large majority of the men committing these murders,regardless of color have not had the positive influence or guidance of a powerful father figure in their lives.This is epidemic in some of our more ethnic communities.This is fact.

Can I please see your research?

Just drive down to Fl and I'll leave it for you on my desk at my office.lol

PJ,you can't tell me you have not heard about the lack of male guidance in some of our more economically depressed areas and how this systemically creates more "bad apples". Large Incarceration rates,Drug addiction and lack of parenting responsibility all are a cause.You want data? Look up any major metropolitan American city.Look at the population of single mothers on welfare and gov assistance.alook at demographics of incarceration.Look at gender and race of crime committing individuals.Its all there and has been documented for years.Unemployment and graduation rates in the same demographic.This is not hyperbole coming from my jaded perspective,this shit is fact.

PJ_Soul

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

rr165892 said:

Daddy issues

Pardon?

I would be willing to bet a large majority of the men committing these murders,regardless of color have not had the positive influence or guidance of a powerful father figure in their lives.This is epidemic in some of our more ethnic communities.This is fact.

Can I please see your research?

Just drive down to Fl and I'll leave it for you on my desk at my office.lol

PJ,you can't tell me you have not heard about the lack of male guidance in some of our more economically depressed areas and how this systemically creates more "bad apples". Large Incarceration rates,Drug addiction and lack of parenting responsibility all are a cause.You want data? Look up any major metropolitan American city.Look at the population of single mothers on welfare and gov assistance.alook at demographics of incarceration.Look at gender and race of crime committing individuals.Its all there and has been documented for years.Unemployment and graduation rates in the same demographic.This is not hyperbole coming from my jaded perspective,this shit is fact.

But there are all kinds of other factors that are present just as much if not more so. I don't at all feel like the facts justify your conclusion. Just to be clear, I am not saying this because I don't value a father's role. I value a father's role so much that I specfically chose not to have children in large part because I didn't find the father I thought my kids would deserve, and I refused to have kids without an involved dad. However, poverty is a more constant factor in your examples, so why not blame poverty? Or let's see some facts on education levels. I bet those would be more consistent that father vs no father too. And then look at all the violence committed by men who did grow up with dads. And then look at international statistics, because this is in no way, shape, or form an American problem (just men using guns all the time is). I think blaming the profound international problem of male aggression and violence on whether or not they had a dad is an impossibly simplistic excuse for a much more complicated and disturbing worldwide issue that has endured over many many many many centuries.

Indifference71

PJ_Soul said:

Indifference71 said:

callen said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

rgambs said:

http://chicagoreporter.com/how-chicago-tried-to-cover-up-a-police-execution/

Tell me again about how 99% of cops are good guys. This story plays out again and again, and police apologists brush it aside as anecdotal or unsubstantiated.
We NEED oversight from the outside.

You are right police need a better oversight in place. However why is there only outcry when a police officer does it? There have been over 2000 shot in Chicago. What has Rahm Emanuel done for the city. It is time the citizens take back the city from the crooks. It is time for the police and the city to work together.

Because the police are the police and criminals are criminals. When those hired to protect and serve kill and cover it up it's just a little worse.

Yep, it may be a little worse. But the selective outrage is what drives me nuts. I'm sure it has been talked about around here but where are the protests for something like this? A fucking 9 year old kid murdered by some fucking animal.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/us/chicago-tyshawn-lee-arrest/

What in the fuck would a protest against an arrested criminal achieve????
Callen said it. The police are police and criminals are criminals. One we expect proper conduct from and they need to be held to that standard. Protests are meant to force change within their system, to expose and highlight wrongdoing wothin the system in order to obligate that system to improve because it's paid for by and is meant to protect the public.
Protesting a jailed criminal sounds like one of the biggest wastes of time and energy of all time, lol. The authorities already know that murderous gang members need to be caught. So what would the protest be for? Would it be an attempt to ask murderers to cut it out because there are people asking for it at a rally that the criminals aren't even aware of? Pretty sure that would be ineffective, haha.

Ahh man I don't know why I even bother around this cesspool.

PJ_Soul

Indifference71 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Indifference71 said:

callen said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

rgambs said:

http://chicagoreporter.com/how-chicago-tried-to-cover-up-a-police-execution/

Tell me again about how 99% of cops are good guys. This story plays out again and again, and police apologists brush it aside as anecdotal or unsubstantiated.
We NEED oversight from the outside.

You are right police need a better oversight in place. However why is there only outcry when a police officer does it? There have been over 2000 shot in Chicago. What has Rahm Emanuel done for the city. It is time the citizens take back the city from the crooks. It is time for the police and the city to work together.

Because the police are the police and criminals are criminals. When those hired to protect and serve kill and cover it up it's just a little worse.

Yep, it may be a little worse. But the selective outrage is what drives me nuts. I'm sure it has been talked about around here but where are the protests for something like this? A fucking 9 year old kid murdered by some fucking animal.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/us/chicago-tyshawn-lee-arrest/

What in the fuck would a protest against an arrested criminal achieve????
Callen said it. The police are police and criminals are criminals. One we expect proper conduct from and they need to be held to that standard. Protests are meant to force change within their system, to expose and highlight wrongdoing wothin the system in order to obligate that system to improve because it's paid for by and is meant to protect the public.
Protesting a jailed criminal sounds like one of the biggest wastes of time and energy of all time, lol. The authorities already know that murderous gang members need to be caught. So what would the protest be for? Would it be an attempt to ask murderers to cut it out because there are people asking for it at a rally that the criminals aren't even aware of? Pretty sure that would be ineffective, haha.

Ahh man I don't know why I even bother around this cesspool.

That is probably the worst reply I have ever seen on AMT.

Indifference71

PJ_Soul said:

Indifference71 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Indifference71 said:

callen said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

rgambs said:

http://chicagoreporter.com/how-chicago-tried-to-cover-up-a-police-execution/

Tell me again about how 99% of cops are good guys. This story plays out again and again, and police apologists brush it aside as anecdotal or unsubstantiated.
We NEED oversight from the outside.

You are right police need a better oversight in place. However why is there only outcry when a police officer does it? There have been over 2000 shot in Chicago. What has Rahm Emanuel done for the city. It is time the citizens take back the city from the crooks. It is time for the police and the city to work together.

Because the police are the police and criminals are criminals. When those hired to protect and serve kill and cover it up it's just a little worse.

Yep, it may be a little worse. But the selective outrage is what drives me nuts. I'm sure it has been talked about around here but where are the protests for something like this? A fucking 9 year old kid murdered by some fucking animal.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/us/chicago-tyshawn-lee-arrest/

What in the fuck would a protest against an arrested criminal achieve????
Callen said it. The police are police and criminals are criminals. One we expect proper conduct from and they need to be held to that standard. Protests are meant to force change within their system, to expose and highlight wrongdoing wothin the system in order to obligate that system to improve because it's paid for by and is meant to protect the public.
Protesting a jailed criminal sounds like one of the biggest wastes of time and energy of all time, lol. The authorities already know that murderous gang members need to be caught. So what would the protest be for? Would it be an attempt to ask murderers to cut it out because there are people asking for it at a rally that the criminals aren't even aware of? Pretty sure that would be ineffective, haha.

Ahh man I don't know why I even bother around this cesspool.

That is probably the worst reply I have ever seen on AMT.

LOL.

muskydan

Indifference71 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Indifference71 said:

callen said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

rgambs said:

http://chicagoreporter.com/how-chicago-tried-to-cover-up-a-police-execution/

Tell me again about how 99% of cops are good guys. This story plays out again and again, and police apologists brush it aside as anecdotal or unsubstantiated.
We NEED oversight from the outside.

You are right police need a better oversight in place. However why is there only outcry when a police officer does it? There have been over 2000 shot in Chicago. What has Rahm Emanuel done for the city. It is time the citizens take back the city from the crooks. It is time for the police and the city to work together.

Because the police are the police and criminals are criminals. When those hired to protect and serve kill and cover it up it's just a little worse.

Yep, it may be a little worse. But the selective outrage is what drives me nuts. I'm sure it has been talked about around here but where are the protests for something like this? A fucking 9 year old kid murdered by some fucking animal.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/us/chicago-tyshawn-lee-arrest/

What in the fuck would a protest against an arrested criminal achieve????
Callen said it. The police are police and criminals are criminals. One we expect proper conduct from and they need to be held to that standard. Protests are meant to force change within their system, to expose and highlight wrongdoing wothin the system in order to obligate that system to improve because it's paid for by and is meant to protect the public.
Protesting a jailed criminal sounds like one of the biggest wastes of time and energy of all time, lol. The authorities already know that murderous gang members need to be caught. So what would the protest be for? Would it be an attempt to ask murderers to cut it out because there are people asking for it at a rally that the criminals aren't even aware of? Pretty sure that would be ineffective, haha.

Ahh man I don't know why I even bother around this cesspool.

You got that right. If only some of the fools around here saw for their own eyes the ignorance of the protesters down the mag mile in Chicago yesterday. My favorite was watching shoppers busting through the human chains these protesters were making in an effort to "shut shit down" ...one of my favorite chants by the way... The protesters would then come up to us and ask why we were not doing anything....I swear liberalism is a disease .

PJfanwillneverleave1

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PJ_Soul

muskydan said:

Indifference71 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Indifference71 said:

callen said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

rgambs said:

http://chicagoreporter.com/how-chicago-tried-to-cover-up-a-police-execution/

Tell me again about how 99% of cops are good guys. This story plays out again and again, and police apologists brush it aside as anecdotal or unsubstantiated.
We NEED oversight from the outside.

You are right police need a better oversight in place. However why is there only outcry when a police officer does it? There have been over 2000 shot in Chicago. What has Rahm Emanuel done for the city. It is time the citizens take back the city from the crooks. It is time for the police and the city to work together.

Because the police are the police and criminals are criminals. When those hired to protect and serve kill and cover it up it's just a little worse.

Yep, it may be a little worse. But the selective outrage is what drives me nuts. I'm sure it has been talked about around here but where are the protests for something like this? A fucking 9 year old kid murdered by some fucking animal.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/us/chicago-tyshawn-lee-arrest/

What in the fuck would a protest against an arrested criminal achieve????
Callen said it. The police are police and criminals are criminals. One we expect proper conduct from and they need to be held to that standard. Protests are meant to force change within their system, to expose and highlight wrongdoing wothin the system in order to obligate that system to improve because it's paid for by and is meant to protect the public.
Protesting a jailed criminal sounds like one of the biggest wastes of time and energy of all time, lol. The authorities already know that murderous gang members need to be caught. So what would the protest be for? Would it be an attempt to ask murderers to cut it out because there are people asking for it at a rally that the criminals aren't even aware of? Pretty sure that would be ineffective, haha.

Ahh man I don't know why I even bother around this cesspool.

You got that right. If only some of the fools around here saw for their own eyes the ignorance of the protesters down the mag mile in Chicago yesterday. My favorite was watching shoppers busting through the human chains these protesters were making in an effort to "shut shit down" ...one of my favorite chants by the way... The protesters would then come up to us and ask why we were not doing anything....I swear liberalism is a disease .

Seriously, Wtf are you two talking about in the context of my post?? All you just did is call me an ignorant fool, but I was seriously asking Wtf you think protesting criminals would do. I also never mentioned Chicago - haven't seen any coverage on it. I was talking generally about protesting police misconduct vs protesting the behaviour of criminals.

rgambs

PJ_Soul said:

muskydan said:

Indifference71 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Indifference71 said:

callen said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

rgambs said:

http://chicagoreporter.com/how-chicago-tried-to-cover-up-a-police-execution/

Tell me again about how 99% of cops are good guys. This story plays out again and again, and police apologists brush it aside as anecdotal or unsubstantiated.
We NEED oversight from the outside.

You are right police need a better oversight in place. However why is there only outcry when a police officer does it? There have been over 2000 shot in Chicago. What has Rahm Emanuel done for the city. It is time the citizens take back the city from the crooks. It is time for the police and the city to work together.

Because the police are the police and criminals are criminals. When those hired to protect and serve kill and cover it up it's just a little worse.

Yep, it may be a little worse. But the selective outrage is what drives me nuts. I'm sure it has been talked about around here but where are the protests for something like this? A fucking 9 year old kid murdered by some fucking animal.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/us/chicago-tyshawn-lee-arrest/

What in the fuck would a protest against an arrested criminal achieve????
Callen said it. The police are police and criminals are criminals. One we expect proper conduct from and they need to be held to that standard. Protests are meant to force change within their system, to expose and highlight wrongdoing wothin the system in order to obligate that system to improve because it's paid for by and is meant to protect the public.
Protesting a jailed criminal sounds like one of the biggest wastes of time and energy of all time, lol. The authorities already know that murderous gang members need to be caught. So what would the protest be for? Would it be an attempt to ask murderers to cut it out because there are people asking for it at a rally that the criminals aren't even aware of? Pretty sure that would be ineffective, haha.

Ahh man I don't know why I even bother around this cesspool.

You got that right. If only some of the fools around here saw for their own eyes the ignorance of the protesters down the mag mile in Chicago yesterday. My favorite was watching shoppers busting through the human chains these protesters were making in an effort to "shut shit down" ...one of my favorite chants by the way... The protesters would then come up to us and ask why we were not doing anything....I swear liberalism is a disease .

Seriously, Wtf are you two talking about in the context of my post?? All you just did is call me an ignorant fool, but I was seriously asking Wtf you think protesting criminals would do. I also never mentioned Chicago - haven't seen any coverage on it. I was talking generally about protesting police misconduct vs protesting the behaviour of criminals.

We ask a legitimate question about what a protest of civilian crime would look like, and what it would be seeking to achieve... They can't answer the question and somehow we are the fools.