Ben Carson for President

Gern Blansten · November 2015

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/06/politics/ben-carson-responds-violent-past-new-day/index.html

This guy is an idiot. We've all known someone like him...straight A student, really booksmart but the common sense of a 10 year old.

Gern Blansten · November 2015

Carson says...

"The vetting that you all did with President Obama doesn't even come close, doesn't even come close to what you guys are trying to do in my case, and you're just going to keep going back, 'He said this 12 years ago' -- it is just garbage," Carson said. "Give me a break."

Seriously...Obama's birth certificate questions "doesn't even come close" to people asking Carson's childhood friends about his past?

Jason P · November 2015

He must be doing well in the polls. After basically ignoring him, Gawker is going after every story they can dig into right now to discredit him in the past several weeks.

callen · November 2015

Carson feels Egyptian pyramids used to store grain not to entomb Pharos. All the archeologists are wrong.

See this aligns with the bible.

Gern Blansten · November 2015

Jason P said:
He must be doing well in the polls. After basically ignoring him, Gawker is going after every story they can dig into right now to discredit him in the past several weeks.

Yeah he's the flavor of the month.

eddiec · November 2015

callen said:
Carson feels Egyptian pyramids used to store grain not to entomb Pharos. All the archeologists are wrong.

See this aligns with the bible.

I was reading that today. It's his 'personal belief' because for him there is only the bible. Talk about pandering to those crazy American bible bashers- which unfortunately is a lot of people. Whatever happened to separation of church and state. The GOP can't stop claiming how religious they are.

Gern Blansten · November 2015

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598?cmpid=sf

buh bye asshole

rgambs · November 2015

Gern Blansten said:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598?cmpid=sf

buh bye asshole

Yeah, right. The mouthbreathers that love Carson won't pay any attention to it.

mrussel1 · November 2015

rgambs said:

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Gern Blansten said:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598?cmpid=sf

buh bye asshole
Yeah, right. The mouthbreathers that love Carson won't pay any attention to it.

They may not, but this is a pretty damaging story to the general public.

PJPOWER · November 2015

mrussel1 said:

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rgambs said:

Gern Blansten said:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598?cmpid=sf

buh bye asshole
Yeah, right. The mouthbreathers that love Carson won't pay any attention to it.
They may not, but this is a pretty damaging story to the general public.

Looks like the whole politico piece was just debunked...gotta love politics.

mrussel1 · November 2015

PJPOWER said:

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mrussel1 said:

rgambs said:

Gern Blansten said:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598?cmpid=sf

buh bye asshole
Yeah, right. The mouthbreathers that love Carson won't pay any attention to it.
They may not, but this is a pretty damaging story to the general public.
Looks like the whole politico piece was just debunked...gotta love politics.

Where do you see that?

PJPOWER · November 2015

mrussel1 said:

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PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

rgambs said:

Gern Blansten said:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598?cmpid=sf

buh bye asshole
Yeah, right. The mouthbreathers that love Carson won't pay any attention to it.
They may not, but this is a pretty damaging story to the general public.
Looks like the whole politico piece was just debunked...gotta love politics.
Where do you see that?

There are several articles out there, but it's Friday and I'd rather not get into a left wing vs. right wing media biased propaganda argument today

. I've looked at both sides of this story now, though, and it does seem that Politico straight up lied about some key points. I'll let you research and draw your own conclusions though.

2-feign-reluctance · November 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufGlBv8Z3NU

Bentleyspop · November 2015

Ben Carson Campaign Now Says He 'Did Not Seek Admission' to West Point - ABC News
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ben-carson-campaign-now-seek-admission-west-point/story?id=35024225

What I find funny in the article is that he said in his book that he "was offered a full scholarship to West Point". As if there were other scholarship options.

SPEEDY MCCREADY · November 2015

A politician who lied?

I am fucking SHOCKED!

mrussel1 · November 2015

PJPOWER said:

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mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

rgambs said:

Gern Blansten said:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598?cmpid=sf

buh bye asshole
Yeah, right. The mouthbreathers that love Carson won't pay any attention to it.
They may not, but this is a pretty damaging story to the general public.
Looks like the whole politico piece was just debunked...gotta love politics.
Where do you see that?
There are several articles out there, but it's Friday and I'd rather not get into a left wing vs. right wing media biased propaganda argument today . I've looked at both sides of this story now, though, and it does seem that Politico straight up lied about some key points. I'll let you research and draw your own conclusions though.

I don't understand. It seems clear that his book said he was offered a full scholarship and now his campaign, after Politico went to print, is saying that he didn't mean that.

Ben Carson did not apply and was not admitted to the U.S. Military Academy, despite writing in his book "Gifted Hands" that he had gotten a full scholarship offer from the school, his presidential campaign told ABC News.

"Again, though his senior commander was in touch with West Point and told Dr. Carson he could get in, Dr. Carson did not seek admission," the campaign said in a statement today.

Carson, as an ROTC student, was told that West Point would process an admission for him, campaign spokesman Doug Watts said."

This isn't left/right stuff here. It seems pretty straightforward.

PJPOWER · November 2015

mrussel1 said:

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PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

rgambs said:

Gern Blansten said:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598?cmpid=sf

buh bye asshole
Yeah, right. The mouthbreathers that love Carson won't pay any attention to it.
They may not, but this is a pretty damaging story to the general public.
Looks like the whole politico piece was just debunked...gotta love politics.
Where do you see that?
There are several articles out there, but it's Friday and I'd rather not get into a left wing vs. right wing media biased propaganda argument today . I've looked at both sides of this story now, though, and it does seem that Politico straight up lied about some key points. I'll let you research and draw your own conclusions though.
I don't understand. It seems clear that his book said he was offered a full scholarship and now his campaign, after Politico went to print, is saying that he didn't mean that.

Ben Carson did not apply and was not admitted to the U.S. Military Academy, despite writing in his book "Gifted Hands" that he had gotten a full scholarship offer from the school, his presidential campaign told ABC News.

"Again, though his senior commander was in touch with West Point and told Dr. Carson he could get in, Dr. Carson did not seek admission," the campaign said in a statement today.

Carson, as an ROTC student, was told that West Point would process an admission for him, campaign spokesman Doug Watts said."

This isn't left/right stuff here. It seems pretty straightforward.

Don't fool yourself, if you're reading a left leaning or right leaning publication right now, there is a spin. Is politico a left leaning or right leaning media outlet and what is their agenda? I tend not to place much credit in this type of sniping, trying to make something out of nothing. Rediculous in my opinion.

Here is the full email from the Carson campaign sent to Politico.
"Dr. Carson was the top ROTC student in the City of Detroit. In that role he was invited to meet General Westmoreland. He believes it was at a banquet. He can’t remember with specificity their brief conversation but it centered around Dr. Carson’s performance as ROTC City Executive Officer. He was introduced to folks from West Point by his ROTC Supervisors. They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission."

Politico inferred that he lied about admittance, but in his book he clearly stated that he never applied, just that he had some random conversation in which he was offered a scholarship and that he let them know he was not interested. So who is lying?

mrussel1 · November 2015

I agree that there is no such thing as an unbiased source. People get mad about left wing media, blah blah Fox news, but in this country, each party has always had its organ. Whether you were Dem, Republican, Whig, Know-Nothing, Federalist or Anti-Freemason, everyone had a mouthpiece. It wasn't until the 60s where this unbiased BS started. I don't get caught up in that. However, the quotes that I have seen in the book say that he was "offered a full scholarship". No one has disputed those words to my knowledge. Hoewever, if you say that and you never applied, that that is intentionally misleading at best. If I was offered a scholarship to the University of Richmond and because the academic standards are similar to that of Duke, I couldn't go around saying I was offered a scholarship to Duke. Or if a Duke adviser told me my grades were good enough to get a scholarship. Those are not the same thing. And from what I can tell, that's what Carson is arguing.

I was really good at ROTC, Westmoreland said I could get in, ergo I was offered a scholarship to a military academy.

mrussel1 · November 2015

And please show me the source and quote in the same book (Gifted Hands) where Carson says he never applied. If that exists, then this is a non-story. I would agree with that. But I haven't seen that yet.

rgambs · November 2015

PJPOWER said:

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mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

rgambs said:

Gern Blansten said:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598?cmpid=sf

buh bye asshole
Yeah, right. The mouthbreathers that love Carson won't pay any attention to it.
They may not, but this is a pretty damaging story to the general public.
Looks like the whole politico piece was just debunked...gotta love politics.
Where do you see that?
There are several articles out there, but it's Friday and I'd rather not get into a left wing vs. right wing media biased propaganda argument today . I've looked at both sides of this story now, though, and it does seem that Politico straight up lied about some key points. I'll let you research and draw your own conclusions though.
I don't understand. It seems clear that his book said he was offered a full scholarship and now his campaign, after Politico went to print, is saying that he didn't mean that.

Ben Carson did not apply and was not admitted to the U.S. Military Academy, despite writing in his book "Gifted Hands" that he had gotten a full scholarship offer from the school, his presidential campaign told ABC News.

"Again, though his senior commander was in touch with West Point and told Dr. Carson he could get in, Dr. Carson did not seek admission," the campaign said in a statement today.

Carson, as an ROTC student, was told that West Point would process an admission for him, campaign spokesman Doug Watts said."

This isn't left/right stuff here. It seems pretty straightforward.
Don't fool yourself, if you're reading a left leaning or right leaning publication right now, there is a spin. Is politico a left leaning or right leaning media outlet and what is their agenda? I tend not to place much credit in this type of sniping, trying to make something out of nothing. Rediculous in my opinion.

Here is the full email from the Carson campaign sent to Politico.
"Dr. Carson was the top ROTC student in the City of Detroit. In that role he was invited to meet General Westmoreland. He believes it was at a banquet. He can’t remember with specificity their brief conversation but it centered around Dr. Carson’s performance as ROTC City Executive Officer. He was introduced to folks from West Point by his ROTC Supervisors. They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission."

Politico inferred that he lied about admittance, but in his book he clearly stated that he never applied, just that he had some random conversation in which he was offered a scholarship and that he let them know he was not interested. So who is lying?

Saying that you decided not to attend, as opposed to saying that you decided not to apply are two different things. It may seem like a minor distinction, but it makes all the difference.

mrussel1 · November 2015

Here's the latest and the parsing of words...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/06/ben-carsons-allies-defend-west-point-story-he-got-an-offer-did-not-apply/

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