DEAR MR. VEDDER...

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  • DM38016 said:

    Who wouldn't be for no wars? But I wonder if somebody would you attack you or your family, would you defend yourself?

    I love how the apologists act as if both sides are equal, as if everything is just great on both sides of the divide and one side or the other is just going about and stabbing people for shits and giggles. It's a false equivalency and narrative. When one side is treated as less than human with shit for a future, under the boot of Israel, what do you expect would happen. When is Israel going to lead?
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,255
    brianlux said:

    Kat said:

    Imagine That -- I’m Still Anti-War.
    July 16 2014

    Most of us have heard John Lennon sing
    “You may say I’m a dreamer,… but I’m not the only one.”

    And some of us, after another morning dose of news coverage full of
    death and destruction, feel the need to reach out to others to see if
    we are not alone in our outrage. With about a dozen assorted
    ongoing conflicts in the news everyday, and with the stories
    becoming more horrific, the level of sadness becomes unbearable.
    And what becomes of our planet when that sadness becomes apathy?
    Because we feel helpless. And we turn our heads and turn the page.

    Currently, I’m full of hope. That hope springs from the multitudes of
    people that our band has been fortunate enough to play for night
    after night here in Europe. To see flags of so many different nations,
    and to have these huge crowds gathered peacefully and joyfully is
    the exact inspiration behind the words I felt the need to emphatically relay.
    When attempting to make a plea for more peace in the world at a rock concert,
    we are reflecting the feelings of all those we have come in contact with
    so we may all have a better understanding of each other.

    That’s not something I’m going to stop anytime soon. Call me naïve.
    I’d rather be naïve, heartfelt and hopeful than resigned to say
    nothing for fear of misinterpretation and retribution.

    The majority of humans on this planet are more consumed by the
    pursuit of love, health, family, food and shelter than any kind of war.

    War hurts. It hurts no matter which sides the bombs are falling on.

    With all the global achievements in modern technology,
    enhanced communication and information devices, cracking the
    human genome, land rovers on Mars etc., do we really have to
    resign ourselves to the devastating reality that conflict will be
    resolved with bombs, murder and acts of barbarism?

    We are such a remarkable species. Capable of creating beauty.
    Capable of awe-inspiring advancements. We must be capable of
    resolving conflicts without bloodshed.

    I don’t know how to reconcile the peaceful rainbow of flags we see
    each night at our concerts with the daily news of a dozen global
    conflicts and their horrific consequences. I don’t know how to
    process the feeling of guilt and complicity when I hear about the
    deaths of a civilian family from a U.S. drone strike. But I know that
    we can’t let the sadness turn into apathy. And I do know we are
    better off when we reach out to each other.

    “I hope someday you’ll join us,…”
    Won’t you listen to what the man said.

    — Eddie Vedder
    http://pearljam.com/news/0/1/22387/imagine_that_--_i’m_still_anti-war

    I remember last year we had a debate somewhere around the OP's issue and this Eddie quote which I defended. I got shelled with heavy artillery from one poster for doing that, LOL! Bottom line though for me is- I'm still with Ed and John on this. I'm still anti-war.
    Thing is we know that John was a phony. Hopefully Ed isn't.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662

    brianlux said:

    Kat said:

    Imagine That -- I’m Still Anti-War.
    July 16 2014

    Most of us have heard John Lennon sing
    “You may say I’m a dreamer,… but I’m not the only one.”

    And some of us, after another morning dose of news coverage full of
    death and destruction, feel the need to reach out to others to see if
    we are not alone in our outrage. With about a dozen assorted
    ongoing conflicts in the news everyday, and with the stories
    becoming more horrific, the level of sadness becomes unbearable.
    And what becomes of our planet when that sadness becomes apathy?
    Because we feel helpless. And we turn our heads and turn the page.

    Currently, I’m full of hope. That hope springs from the multitudes of
    people that our band has been fortunate enough to play for night
    after night here in Europe. To see flags of so many different nations,
    and to have these huge crowds gathered peacefully and joyfully is
    the exact inspiration behind the words I felt the need to emphatically relay.
    When attempting to make a plea for more peace in the world at a rock concert,
    we are reflecting the feelings of all those we have come in contact with
    so we may all have a better understanding of each other.

    That’s not something I’m going to stop anytime soon. Call me naïve.
    I’d rather be naïve, heartfelt and hopeful than resigned to say
    nothing for fear of misinterpretation and retribution.

    The majority of humans on this planet are more consumed by the
    pursuit of love, health, family, food and shelter than any kind of war.

    War hurts. It hurts no matter which sides the bombs are falling on.

    With all the global achievements in modern technology,
    enhanced communication and information devices, cracking the
    human genome, land rovers on Mars etc., do we really have to
    resign ourselves to the devastating reality that conflict will be
    resolved with bombs, murder and acts of barbarism?

    We are such a remarkable species. Capable of creating beauty.
    Capable of awe-inspiring advancements. We must be capable of
    resolving conflicts without bloodshed.

    I don’t know how to reconcile the peaceful rainbow of flags we see
    each night at our concerts with the daily news of a dozen global
    conflicts and their horrific consequences. I don’t know how to
    process the feeling of guilt and complicity when I hear about the
    deaths of a civilian family from a U.S. drone strike. But I know that
    we can’t let the sadness turn into apathy. And I do know we are
    better off when we reach out to each other.

    “I hope someday you’ll join us,…”
    Won’t you listen to what the man said.

    — Eddie Vedder
    http://pearljam.com/news/0/1/22387/imagine_that_--_i’m_still_anti-war

    I remember last year we had a debate somewhere around the OP's issue and this Eddie quote which I defended. I got shelled with heavy artillery from one poster for doing that, LOL! Bottom line though for me is- I'm still with Ed and John on this. I'm still anti-war.
    Thing is we know that John was a phony. Hopefully Ed isn't.
    With all due respect, bootlegger, it's hard for me reading this minus the bulk of what makes up communication- tone of voice, facial expression, eye contact, gestures and body language- to know if you're simply being honest, rather cynical, or ironic. Care to elaborate?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Meanwhile... mother earth is in the process of shaking off the disease that is the human race

    and I'm thrilled about it, we don't deserve paradise
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    John Lennon was a phony? do tell, the American government sure didn't think so
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    brianlux said:

    DM38016 said:

    Who wouldn't be for no wars? But I wonder if somebody would you attack you or your family, would you defend yourself?

    Self defense and war are two very different things.

    I find it interesting that there always seem to be more threads about war than peace. Is it any wonder we are a warring people?
    no wonder at all, from the beginning man has fought and killed to preserve their borders, hunting grounds or water sources.

    Godfather.

  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    edited October 2015
    my2hands said:

    John Lennon was a phony? do tell, the American government sure didn't think so

    I think I know what bootlegger is talking about, he did cause great pain in his marriage with drug addiction, sex and mental abuse not to mention he had a violent temper when he drank and had been some documented fights...he was no wussy, the governments file on John was because they feared his popularity, that he could sway the younger citizens against the government, but in my opinion he was no phony as to who he was, nothing better and nothing worse than you or I.

    Godfather.
  • This thread is weaker than the pics where eddie looks hot thread.
    I want the minute I took to read this back please.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,368
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    starting at 4:11.

    i love this. i could watch it on repeat.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4ukBCCyczA
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    seriously though, this does not smell right to me. someone comes on here and this is their first post and they actually tagged words.

    i have been posting here since the late 90s and i do not think i have ever seen anybody actually tag words in their post. i would not even know how to do that.

    why now? not say something back when this was actually a thing?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • I didn't even notice that there were tagged words until your post.
    I had to go back and read the original post.
    I don't even know what tagged words mean but I do know that EV and stabbings and shit don't belong together.
    But WTF do I Know?
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    I don't find the tagging suspicious at all, lol. It is an obvious option when you create a post. All the person would have needed to do is pay a tiny bit of a attention while posting.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    PJ_Soul said:

    I don't find the tagging suspicious at all, lol. It is an obvious option when you create a post. All the person would have needed to do is pay a tiny bit of a attention while posting.

    i suppose i never cared enough to search of options to do anything other than type and post.
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662

    brianlux said:

    DM38016 said:

    Who wouldn't be for no wars? But I wonder if somebody would you attack you or your family, would you defend yourself?

    Self defense and war are two very different things.

    I find it interesting that there always seem to be more threads about war than peace. Is it any wonder we are a warring people?
    no wonder at all, from the beginning man has fought and killed to preserve their borders, hunting grounds or water sources.

    Godfather.

    Yes, Godfather but would you not say that the perpetrators of most wars intended to fight in order to break through others borders and establish one's own new borders and to seize other people's resources? And some wars weren't even wars. The so called "Indian Wars" were not wars, they were acts of genocide.

    But now were talking about war again. The peace flip side to all that would involve us doing the sensible thing which would be to limit our numbers, distribute ourselves geographically such that we could have a relatively stable resource base, and share our goods and cultural wealth with others in a manner of mutual respect and concern. I've always wondered what the hell is wrong with human beings that we can't do what is sensible and reasonable. We are odd creatures, are we not?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    brianlux said:

    brianlux said:

    DM38016 said:

    Who wouldn't be for no wars? But I wonder if somebody would you attack you or your family, would you defend yourself?

    Self defense and war are two very different things.

    I find it interesting that there always seem to be more threads about war than peace. Is it any wonder we are a warring people?
    no wonder at all, from the beginning man has fought and killed to preserve their borders, hunting grounds or water sources.

    Godfather.

    Yes, Godfather but would you not say that the perpetrators of most wars intended to fight in order to break through others borders and establish one's own new borders and to seize other people's resources? And some wars weren't even wars. The so called "Indian Wars" were not wars, they were acts of genocide.

    But now were talking about war again. The peace flip side to all that would involve us doing the sensible thing which would be to limit our numbers, distribute ourselves geographically such that we could have a relatively stable resource base, and share our goods and cultural wealth with others in a manner of mutual respect and concern. I've always wondered what the hell is wrong with human beings that we can't do what is sensible and reasonable. We are odd creatures, are we not?
    yes we are odd creatures for sure, I wish the world could be as peaceful and sharing as you said but unfortunately it is not possible...yet, human need for survival is a very scary thing to say the least and ideas for survival and sharing are not a shared common thought among most countries, differences in appearance, cultural differences separate us from each other.
    it's crazy but humans all think differently about how to survive but in a crazier way we are just alike, meaning eliminate or run off those that are different or think differently than us, then there's the survival instinct that tells us to take what we need even if someone else had it first even eliminating them to gain what we want or need, every culture in the world kills to keep what they believe is theirs so we have borders and we will kill if our borders are crossed, the human mind is too complex to share without wanting more than the next guy...greed is the simplest way to describe it but it goes far beyond greed.

    Godfather.

  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    I see today Cornell is going to play Israel in May.2 cities.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    rr165892 said:

    I see today Cornell is going to play Israel in May.2 cities.

    brave.........nothing to loose your head over LOL !

    Godfather.

  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,368

    rr165892 said:

    I see today Cornell is going to play Israel in May.2 cities.

    brave.........nothing to loose your head over LOL !

    Godfather.

    If memory serves Soundgarden played there as well last time out with a fill in drummer since Matt was busy with PJ?

    I'll be interested to see what he says from the stage about current events.

    He's been doing a Dylan cover with some modified lyrics. They seem to apply as he does them.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    brianlux said:

    I've always wondered what the hell is wrong with human beings that we can't do what is sensible and reasonable. We are odd creatures, are we not?

    one word answer: fear



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