aurora shooter guilty of murder

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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Against DP in every case but wonder if others should be held responsible for inaction. Manslaughter.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    For the death penalty in every case grave as this one.
    I can't wait to hear the sentence of death for this POS.
    Fuck this fucker.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,316
    callen said:

    Against DP in every case but wonder if others should be held responsible for inaction. Manslaughter.

    Explain?

    I am unaware of laws forcing action by 3rd party bystanders. That would be compelling being put in harms way.

    Very few outside of military and L.E. have had training for situations such as this. These people were excited about seeing a movie for fucks sake. Expect that was the primary thing on their mind, not the chance some fuck with an agenda of murder would spring up and start shooting. I'd imagine most if not all were in a state of shock or noncomprehension of what was occuring. But you seem to think the general public should be held accountable in some way? Who the fuck are you? Seriously. Are you trained that way?
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    callen said:

    Against DP in every case but wonder if others should be held responsible for inaction. Manslaughter.

    I can only assume you are talking about people who might have had a clue he was going to do this. You cannot be talking of the people getting shot at in the theater.

    Even then... this post sounds a bit like excuse making. Instead of, "If only they would have..." I think it's more appropriate to let Holmes own this one.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited July 2015
    mickeyrat said:

    callen said:

    Against DP in every case but wonder if others should be held responsible for inaction. Manslaughter.

    Explain?

    I am unaware of laws forcing action by 3rd party bystanders. That would be compelling being put in harms way.

    Very few outside of military and L.E. have had training for situations such as this. These people were excited about seeing a movie for fucks sake. Expect that was the primary thing on their mind, not the chance some fuck with an agenda of murder would spring up and start shooting. I'd imagine most if not all were in a state of shock or noncomprehension of what was occuring. But you seem to think the general public should be held accountable in some way? Who the fuck are you? Seriously. Are you trained that way?
    Not in that way Mickey. Inaction by family members to contact police after seeing warning signs. Not sure if this was the case with this guy. Just thinking of ways to try and stop these things before they get here. Really respect Dr patient confidentiality but can there be a line crossed? Something done on Social media posts? I don't know just thinking out loud. Oh and not further arming the public and god forbid we control guns.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,316
    edited July 2015
    callen said:

    mickeyrat said:

    callen said:

    Against DP in every case but wonder if others should be held responsible for inaction. Manslaughter.

    Explain?

    I am unaware of laws forcing action by 3rd party bystanders. That would be compelling being put in harms way.

    Very few outside of military and L.E. have had training for situations such as this. These people were excited about seeing a movie for fucks sake. Expect that was the primary thing on their mind, not the chance some fuck with an agenda of murder would spring up and start shooting. I'd imagine most if not all were in a state of shock or noncomprehension of what was occuring. But you seem to think the general public should be held accountable in some way? Who the fuck are you? Seriously. Are you trained that way?
    Not in that way Mickey. Inaction by family members to contact police after seeing warning signs. Not sure if this was the case with this guy. Just thinking of ways to try and stop these things before they get here. Really respect Dr patient confidentiality but can there be a line crossed? Something done on Social media posts? I don't know just thinking out loud. Oh and not further arming the public and god forbid we control guns.
    ou describe is really a catch-22. In a similar argument you have with DP , not all instances are sinister in nature, innocents will get caught unnecessarily.
    . Too easy to monday morning quarterback this shit.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    mickeyrat said:

    callen said:

    mickeyrat said:

    callen said:

    Against DP in every case but wonder if others should be held responsible for inaction. Manslaughter.

    Explain?

    I am unaware of laws forcing action by 3rd party bystanders. That would be compelling being put in harms way.

    Very few outside of military and L.E. have had training for situations such as this. These people were excited about seeing a movie for fucks sake. Expect that was the primary thing on their mind, not the chance some fuck with an agenda of murder would spring up and start shooting. I'd imagine most if not all were in a state of shock or noncomprehension of what was occuring. But you seem to think the general public should be held accountable in some way? Who the fuck are you? Seriously. Are you trained that way?
    Not in that way Mickey. Inaction by family members to contact police after seeing warning signs. Not sure if this was the case with this guy. Just thinking of ways to try and stop these things before they get here. Really respect Dr patient confidentiality but can there be a line crossed? Something done on Social media posts? I don't know just thinking out loud. Oh and not further arming the public and god forbid we control guns.
    ou describe is really a catch-22. In a similar argument you have with DP , not all instances are sinister in nature. Too easy to monday morning quaterback this shit.
    Right agree. Just thinking out loud.

    Now On DP we just eliminate and all problems solved.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    callen said:

    mickeyrat said:

    callen said:

    Against DP in every case but wonder if others should be held responsible for inaction. Manslaughter.

    Explain?

    I am unaware of laws forcing action by 3rd party bystanders. That would be compelling being put in harms way.

    Very few outside of military and L.E. have had training for situations such as this. These people were excited about seeing a movie for fucks sake. Expect that was the primary thing on their mind, not the chance some fuck with an agenda of murder would spring up and start shooting. I'd imagine most if not all were in a state of shock or noncomprehension of what was occuring. But you seem to think the general public should be held accountable in some way? Who the fuck are you? Seriously. Are you trained that way?
    Not in that way Mickey. Inaction by family members to contact police after seeing warning signs. Not sure if this was the case with this guy. Just thinking of ways to try and stop these things before they get here. Really respect Dr patient confidentiality but can there be a line crossed? Something done on Social media posts? I don't know just thinking out loud. Oh and not further arming the public and god forbid we control guns.
    There are already laws governing when doctor-patient confidentiality can be breached (generally based on case law, not legislation). In Canada we have case law that applies across the country but in the US it tends to be state-specific, so I can't speak for this particular state; however, in general it is not just permitted but legally expected for a physician or psychologist to take action if it can be reasonably foreseen that a patient poses a significant risk to the safety of a specific person or identifiable group of people. There doesn't need to be a specific verbal threat made; the risk assessment is broader than that. In this instance, when there didn't appear to be a risk to any particular person, but rather just society in general due to deterioration in mental health, then the more usual action would be involuntary hospitalization for assessment and treatment. Physicians can be, and certainly have been, held legally liable for not taking steps to protect others when the risk was reasonably foreseeable.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    oftenreading said:

    callen said:

    mickeyrat said:

    callen said:

    Against DP in every case but wonder if others should be held responsible for inaction. Manslaughter.

    Explain?

    I am unaware of laws forcing action by 3rd party bystanders. That would be compelling being put in harms way.

    Very few outside of military and L.E. have had training for situations such as this. These people were excited about seeing a movie for fucks sake. Expect that was the primary thing on their mind, not the chance some fuck with an agenda of murder would spring up and start shooting. I'd imagine most if not all were in a state of shock or noncomprehension of what was occuring. But you seem to think the general public should be held accountable in some way? Who the fuck are you? Seriously. Are you trained that way?
    Not in that way Mickey. Inaction by family members to contact police after seeing warning signs. Not sure if this was the case with this guy. Just thinking of ways to try and stop these things before they get here. Really respect Dr patient confidentiality but can there be a line crossed? Something done on Social media posts? I don't know just thinking out loud. Oh and not further arming the public and god forbid we control guns.
    There are already laws governing when doctor-patient confidentiality can be breached (generally based on case law, not legislation). In Canada we have case law that applies across the country but in the US it tends to be state-specific, so I can't speak for this particular state; however, in general it is not just permitted but legally expected for a physician or psychologist to take action if it can be reasonably foreseen that a patient poses a significant risk to the safety of a specific person or identifiable group of people. There doesn't need to be a specific verbal threat made; the risk assessment is broader than that. In this instance, when there didn't appear to be a risk to any particular person, but rather just society in general due to deterioration in mental health, then the more usual action would be involuntary hospitalization for assessment and treatment. Physicians can be, and certainly have been, held legally liable for not taking steps to protect others when the risk was reasonably foreseeable.
    Thanks good info
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,900
    isnt this the guy who was acting on a fantasy that he was The Joker?
  • Amongst the Ani
    Amongst the Ani @Wobbie Posts: 7,790
    edited July 2015
    His psychiatrist didn't report him as he never disclossed he started the planning phase.That is when they are supposed to disclose. Just saying you have thoughts of killing people isn't enough. This is why I also believe this POS was sane enough. He knew not to tell his doctor that part. He was happy to say what he wanted to do but never said he was buying guns, casing locations out and things of that order. His psychiatrist was vilified by the media for a day or two until the next news item hit and they moved on. Legally she is covered though.
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    This fucktard knew right from wrong. I'm sure he had deep mental problems. But by no means does that mean he's crazy.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited July 2015
    Think act of destroying ones life and killing people in itself means ones crazy. I don't crave vengeance. Or retribution. Just keeping society safe and figuring out what we can do to minimize such events.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,316
    DP on the table. Final adjudication next tuesday.

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/8/3/holmes-jury-keeps-execution-as-option-as-sentencing-advances.html?utm_content=nobylines&utm_campaign=ajam&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=SocialFlow
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    He needs to go, but if people feel this piece of shit deserves a chance at living... general population: no special cell with heightened efforts to ensure his shower time is relaxing.

    If he cannot serve a penalty that sees him meet the same end he dished up for those people... then let him feel the tension and fear he delivered that evening on a daily basis.

    There are a lot of really shitty people out there, but this f**king loser is a real champion- absolutely worthless.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,316
    Life. No parole.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/08/07/jury-reaches-decision-on-sentence-in-aurora-movie-theater-shooting-trial/?tid=sm_fb
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Surprises me. I really thought they would fry him. I would have like to see him be executed. No doubt this guy did the crime. Life in prison seems way to light of a penalty.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,316
    edited August 2015
    Required unanimity for one of 165 counts. Couldn't come to it. So the automatic sentence was life no parole. They went through all 165
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Last-12-Exit said:

    Surprises me. I really thought they would fry him. I would have like to see him be executed. No doubt this guy did the crime. Life in prison seems way to light of a penalty.

    That's backwards, a humane execution ends his suffering, a life in prison prolongs his suffering.
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    rgambs said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    Surprises me. I really thought they would fry him. I would have like to see him be executed. No doubt this guy did the crime. Life in prison seems way to light of a penalty.

    That's backwards, a humane execution ends his suffering, a life in prison prolongs his suffering.
    Valid point. I guess I just want to see trash like this gone from the earth.

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