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PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
I am only stating that because of their interpersonal beliefs it is eroding away secular beliefs at a miniscule level (chipping away).
Soon there will be rules on airline pamphlets stating - In accordance with our airline policy if you are asked to change seats to accommodate a persons religious beliefs you must or may be subject to fines and removal from aircraft at your expense.

But the airline never even considered moving this woman to accommodate a person's religious beliefs, did they?? I don't think there is any chipping away happening here at all.

I guess we see things differently.
cheers

I guess. If the flight attendant had suggested that the woman move, then I'd be all over this incident. But since they didn't, and the woman actually wasn't put out at all, except for letting an Orthodox Jew offend her (and I would be offended too if it happened to me, although I wouldn't really want to sit next to someone from this faith myself, so wouldn't mind that much. I was on a flight once where there was an Orthodox Jew sitting across the isle from me, and even then it got a little annoying, because he kept having to get up and pray and do his leather strip wrapped around his arm thing and bob up and down and stuff in the aisle. It was distracting and annoying to have him doing that in such close quarters... but of course I didn't complain to him or anything. I figure he was just doing what he felt he had to do).

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
I am only stating that because of their interpersonal beliefs it is eroding away secular beliefs at a miniscule level (chipping away).
Soon there will be rules on airline pamphlets stating - In accordance with our airline policy if you are asked to change seats to accommodate a persons religious beliefs you must or may be subject to fines and removal from aircraft at your expense.

But the airline never even considered moving this woman to accommodate a person's religious beliefs, did they?? I don't think there is any chipping away happening here at all.

I guess we see things differently.
cheers

I guess. If the flight attendant had suggested that the woman move, then I'd be all over this incident. But since they didn't, and the woman actually wasn't put out at all, except for letting an Orthodox Jew offend her (and I would be offended too if it happened to me, although I wouldn't really want to sit next to someone from this faith myself, so wouldn't mind that much. I was on a flight once where there was an Orthodox Jew sitting across the isle from me, and even then it got a little annoying, because he kept having to get up and pray and do his leather strip wrapped around his arm thing and bob up and down and stuff in the aisle. It was distracting and annoying to have him doing that in such close quarters... but of course I didn't complain to him or anything. I figure he was just doing what he felt he had to do).

Soul, she WAS asked if she would. By staff.
From the article

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"I said, 'This man is refusing to sit next to me because I am a woman.' At that point, another man behind ... offered to switch with me and the airline attendant said, 'Would you be willing to move? and I said, 'Absolutely not. This is ridiculous,'" she said. "I was without words."

Sorry, I meant asked as in, "please get put of your seat so this man can sit here. Thank you." Not "uhhh, are you willing to?? No? Kay." In other words, sje was under no obligation to move, and no one thought she was unreasonable for not.
Anyway, I'm not defending the idea behind it. I'm just not finding the story rage inducing either, because the woman didn't have to move, said no and everyone agreed... i don't feel like her rights were stomped on and I don't feel like she was treated unfairly. Some dude was a jerk and it sounds like everyone found a resolution pretty quickly and diplomatically (whihc is ideal when you're on a plane). End of this particular story.

But yeah, if this conversation were about the status of women and attitude of men in the Orthodox Jewish faith, I would be telling you that these fuckers make me sick to my stomach and so does their religious doctrine.

Here is a story that is really about something, since we're on the topic of these bigoted extremist Orthodox Jews and their fucked up ideas in the name of God (i'd also have a word about their fucking criminal justice system, letting this man out so he could go back and repeat his hate crime):
http://time.com/3979215/jerusalem-gay-pride-parade-stabbing/