El Chapo

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,758
    Haven't read it yet but saw an article headline claiming DEA had knowledge of escape since last year
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327

    callen said:

    We have unlimited corporate campaign donations from lobbyists and news organizations funded by advertisers. All relative.
    Though agree it's shameful how Mexican government seems powerless in dealing with powerful prisoners. And have been shaken down by Mexican police. Typical. Did have local Constable in Houston ask me for cash donation. Told him I didn't have cash and let me go no ticket.

    Let's just legalize all drugs including the hard stuff. Treat medically with good education for our youth. Legalize prostitution and control our guns that go into Mexico.

    The Callen.

    legalizing all drugs including the hard stuff is not the answer death and crime will crime will sky rocket, I don't know if you've ever seen a herion junky hurting and willing to do anything to get better but it's not pretty...AIDS and other STD's will be even worse than they are now, you can't compare a drunk to a junky either the pain and suffering of a junky turns people into something they never thought possible,
    I've heaed the stories of other countries making places for junkies to legally do thier thing but I'll bet the death and crime that happens in those areas is mind boggeling not to mention the lifes that are simply ruined.

    Godfather.
    Would you run out and get some heroin if it was legalized?
    Me neither.




    If cocaine was legal and available at Walgreens ... yeah, I would try it.

    Fact is I've never seen it and wouldn't know where to get it.
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    I always thought Chapo was the US/CIA's guy in Mexico, so I was surprised he went down in the first place.
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited July 2015
    Jason P said:

    callen said:

    We have unlimited corporate campaign donations from lobbyists and news organizations funded by advertisers. All relative.
    Though agree it's shameful how Mexican government seems powerless in dealing with powerful prisoners. And have been shaken down by Mexican police. Typical. Did have local Constable in Houston ask me for cash donation. Told him I didn't have cash and let me go no ticket.

    Let's just legalize all drugs including the hard stuff. Treat medically with good education for our youth. Legalize prostitution and control our guns that go into Mexico.

    The Callen.

    legalizing all drugs including the hard stuff is not the answer death and crime will crime will sky rocket, I don't know if you've ever seen a herion junky hurting and willing to do anything to get better but it's not pretty...AIDS and other STD's will be even worse than they are now, you can't compare a drunk to a junky either the pain and suffering of a junky turns people into something they never thought possible,
    I've heaed the stories of other countries making places for junkies to legally do thier thing but I'll bet the death and crime that happens in those areas is mind boggeling not to mention the lifes that are simply ruined.

    Godfather.
    Would you run out and get some heroin if it was legalized?
    Me neither.




    If cocaine was legal and available at Walgreens ... yeah, I would try it.

    Fact is I've never seen it and wouldn't know where to get it.
    Sweet. I'd join you :tongue:
    What do you think would happen next? Sell the house, and your ass on a corner?
    Most users are responsible about it.
    even if YOU would try it....the case study data shows this shouldn't be a concern.

    ....and if you really wanted to try cocaine, you could pretty easily find it. If not through contacts from weed dealers, club goers, young people in your area (I know you told me before that you are not in an urban area), then through tor sites via mail order....I know people who have done this and say that without signing for a package, there is virtually no risk to the receiver. The war on drugs doesn't do much to prevent people from obtaining drugs if they want them.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Prison Warden Vows To Take Away El Chapo’s Tunnel Privileges If Captured

    ALMOLOYA DE JUAREZ, MEXICO—Following the drug kingpin’s recent escape from the maximum security facility, Arturo Terrazas, warden of the Altiplano prison in central Mexico, vowed Monday to take away Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman’s tunnel privileges if he is captured. “Here at Altiplano, prisoners must earn their access to any of our mile-long electrically lit and ventilated subterranean passageways, and I can assure you that Mr. Guzman will be forfeiting this right once he is taken into custody and reincarcerated,” Terrazas told reporters, adding that Guzman will also be expressly prohibited from renting out any power tools or dollies from the prison workshop as part of the additional punitive measures he will face if he is apprehended. “Mr. Guzman will need to establish a long track record of good behavior before we even consider reinstating his daily visits to the tunnel system that connects the prison grounds with various homes surrounding the complex. Of course, even then we will restrict him to 60-minute sessions conducted after the rest of our resident population has finished using the underground corridors themselves.” Terrazas concluded that, while Guzman must be disciplined, he believes it would be inhumane to also deprive the cartel leader of his ventilation duct hours.

    theonion.com/article/prison-warden-vows-take-away-el-chapos-tunnel-priv-50833
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    callen said:

    We have unlimited corporate campaign donations from lobbyists and news organizations funded by advertisers. All relative.
    Though agree it's shameful how Mexican government seems powerless in dealing with powerful prisoners. And have been shaken down by Mexican police. Typical. Did have local Constable in Houston ask me for cash donation. Told him I didn't have cash and let me go no ticket.

    Let's just legalize all drugs including the hard stuff. Treat medically with good education for our youth. Legalize prostitution and control our guns that go into Mexico.

    The Callen.

    legalizing all drugs including the hard stuff is not the answer death and crime will crime will sky rocket, I don't know if you've ever seen a herion junky hurting and willing to do anything to get better but it's not pretty...AIDS and other STD's will be even worse than they are now, you can't compare a drunk to a junky either the pain and suffering of a junky turns people into something they never thought possible,
    I've heaed the stories of other countries making places for junkies to legally do thier thing but I'll bet the death and crime that happens in those areas is mind boggeling not to mention the lifes that are simply ruined.

    Godfather.
    Would you run out and get some heroin if it was legalized?
    Me neither.




    mybe not you or I but there will be many that will and you can bank on that

    callen said:

    We have unlimited corporate campaign donations from lobbyists and news organizations funded by advertisers. All relative.
    Though agree it's shameful how Mexican government seems powerless in dealing with powerful prisoners. And have been shaken down by Mexican police. Typical. Did have local Constable in Houston ask me for cash donation. Told him I didn't have cash and let me go no ticket.

    Let's just legalize all drugs including the hard stuff. Treat medically with good education for our youth. Legalize prostitution and control our guns that go into Mexico.

    The Callen.

    legalizing all drugs including the hard stuff is not the answer death and crime will crime will sky rocket, I don't know if you've ever seen a herion junky hurting and willing to do anything to get better but it's not pretty...AIDS and other STD's will be even worse than they are now, you can't compare a drunk to a junky either the pain and suffering of a junky turns people into something they never thought possible,
    I've heaed the stories of other countries making places for junkies to legally do thier thing but I'll bet the death and crime that happens in those areas is mind boggeling not to mention the lifes that are simply ruined.

    Godfather.
    Would you run out and get some heroin if it was legalized?
    Me neither.


    mybe not you or I but there will be many that will and you can bank on that.

    Godfather.

    No I can't. We've been through this before....I post information, you refuse to process and accept it. Why is that? Is this so ingrained in your psyche that you will not accept scientific evidence because of your predetermined beliefs? Will anything (any fact) change your mind?

    HIV infections do not increase, they decrease. If use increases for any drug, it is minimal....but with hard drugs, usage rates tend to trend downward. When comparing the harm done by prohibition to the harm done by slight increases in use of 'soft' drugs, the benefits are obvious. That's without the COST/benefit analysis. Throw in the correlation between increased use of MJ/soft drugs, and decreased alcohol use, and there is no good reason to continue the drug war.


    http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/greenwald_whitepaper.pdf
    Since decriminalization, lifetime prevalence rates (..) in Portugal have decreased for various age groups. For students in the 7th–9th grades (13–15 years old), the rate decreased from 14.1 percent in 2001 to 10.6 percent in 2006.30 For those in the 10th–12th grades (16–18 years old), the lifetime prevalence rate, which increased from 14.1 percent in 1995 to 27.6 percent in 2001, the year of decriminalization,has decreased subsequent to decriminalization, to 21.6 percent in 2006.31 For the same groups, prevalence rates for psychoactive substances have also decreased subsequent to decriminalization.32 In fact, for those two critical groups of youth (13–15 years and 16–18 years), prevalence rates have declined for virtually every substance since decriminalization (see Figures 4 and 5).33
    (...)
    Perhaps most strikingly, while prevalence rates for the period from 1999 to 2005, for the 16–18 age group, increased somewhat for cannabis (9.4 to 15.1 percent) and for drugs generally (12.3 to 17.7 percent), the prevalence rate decreased during that same period for heroin (2.5 to 1.8 percent),40 the substance that Portuguese drug officials believed was far and away the most socially destructive.
    (...)
    the percentage of drug users among newly infected HIV-positive individuals continues to decline.

    More reading for ya:
    http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html
    yea I know, I'm just dificult(brian lessOn please) that way please don't take it personally.

    Godfather.

  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Jason P said:

    callen said:

    We have unlimited corporate campaign donations from lobbyists and news organizations funded by advertisers. All relative.
    Though agree it's shameful how Mexican government seems powerless in dealing with powerful prisoners. And have been shaken down by Mexican police. Typical. Did have local Constable in Houston ask me for cash donation. Told him I didn't have cash and let me go no ticket.

    Let's just legalize all drugs including the hard stuff. Treat medically with good education for our youth. Legalize prostitution and control our guns that go into Mexico.

    The Callen.

    legalizing all drugs including the hard stuff is not the answer death and crime will crime will sky rocket, I don't know if you've ever seen a herion junky hurting and willing to do anything to get better but it's not pretty...AIDS and other STD's will be even worse than they are now, you can't compare a drunk to a junky either the pain and suffering of a junky turns people into something they never thought possible,
    I've heaed the stories of other countries making places for junkies to legally do thier thing but I'll bet the death and crime that happens in those areas is mind boggeling not to mention the lifes that are simply ruined.

    Godfather.
    Would you run out and get some heroin if it was legalized?
    Me neither.




    If cocaine was legal and available at Walgreens ... yeah, I would try it.

    Fact is I've never seen it and wouldn't know where to get it.
    mehh...it ain't all it's "cracked" up to be. LOL !!!!!

    Godfather.

  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576

    Jason P said:

    callen said:

    We have unlimited corporate campaign donations from lobbyists and news organizations funded by advertisers. All relative.
    Though agree it's shameful how Mexican government seems powerless in dealing with powerful prisoners. And have been shaken down by Mexican police. Typical. Did have local Constable in Houston ask me for cash donation. Told him I didn't have cash and let me go no ticket.

    Let's just legalize all drugs including the hard stuff. Treat medically with good education for our youth. Legalize prostitution and control our guns that go into Mexico.

    The Callen.

    legalizing all drugs including the hard stuff is not the answer death and crime will crime will sky rocket, I don't know if you've ever seen a herion junky hurting and willing to do anything to get better but it's not pretty...AIDS and other STD's will be even worse than they are now, you can't compare a drunk to a junky either the pain and suffering of a junky turns people into something they never thought possible,
    I've heaed the stories of other countries making places for junkies to legally do thier thing but I'll bet the death and crime that happens in those areas is mind boggeling not to mention the lifes that are simply ruined.

    Godfather.
    Would you run out and get some heroin if it was legalized?
    Me neither.




    If cocaine was legal and available at Walgreens ... yeah, I would try it.

    Fact is I've never seen it and wouldn't know where to get it.
    mehh...it ain't all it's "cracked" up to be. LOL !!!!!

    Godfather.

    Hahaha good one! And true, unless it's the very best cocaine you can get it is an average buzz. The ratio of cost to inebriation level is off the charts, far and away the least value for your buck.
    Alcohol wins the value award for sure, it is incredibly idiotic that booze (which is extremely deadly and damaging) is legal and available in every corner store and marijuana (which has never killed anyone) is illegal and people are rotting in prison for simply possessing small amounts.
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    rgambs said:

    Jason P said:

    callen said:

    We have unlimited corporate campaign donations from lobbyists and news organizations funded by advertisers. All relative.
    Though agree it's shameful how Mexican government seems powerless in dealing with powerful prisoners. And have been shaken down by Mexican police. Typical. Did have local Constable in Houston ask me for cash donation. Told him I didn't have cash and let me go no ticket.

    Let's just legalize all drugs including the hard stuff. Treat medically with good education for our youth. Legalize prostitution and control our guns that go into Mexico.

    The Callen.

    legalizing all drugs including the hard stuff is not the answer death and crime will crime will sky rocket, I don't know if you've ever seen a herion junky hurting and willing to do anything to get better but it's not pretty...AIDS and other STD's will be even worse than they are now, you can't compare a drunk to a junky either the pain and suffering of a junky turns people into something they never thought possible,
    I've heaed the stories of other countries making places for junkies to legally do thier thing but I'll bet the death and crime that happens in those areas is mind boggeling not to mention the lifes that are simply ruined.

    Godfather.
    Would you run out and get some heroin if it was legalized?
    Me neither.




    If cocaine was legal and available at Walgreens ... yeah, I would try it.

    Fact is I've never seen it and wouldn't know where to get it.
    mehh...it ain't all it's "cracked" up to be. LOL !!!!!

    Godfather.

    Hahaha good one! And true, unless it's the very best cocaine you can get it is an average buzz. The ratio of cost to inebriation level is off the charts, far and away the least value for your buck.
    Alcohol wins the value award for sure, it is incredibly idiotic that booze (which is extremely deadly and damaging) is legal and available in every corner store and marijuana (which has never killed anyone) is illegal and people are rotting in prison for simply possessing small amounts.
    Tell that to LSD :wink:
    Cocaine is a different animal. No, it doesn't get you very high unless it's top-shelf or you do a lot...and of course it's dangerous in either scenario. But it does have different qualities that make it something people desire..... there wouldn't be millions using it if it didn't have some kind of benefit to them. I know people hate hearing that....but it's the truth. Same with every drug, and even if used for recreational purposes.

  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327

    Jason P said:

    callen said:

    We have unlimited corporate campaign donations from lobbyists and news organizations funded by advertisers. All relative.
    Though agree it's shameful how Mexican government seems powerless in dealing with powerful prisoners. And have been shaken down by Mexican police. Typical. Did have local Constable in Houston ask me for cash donation. Told him I didn't have cash and let me go no ticket.

    Let's just legalize all drugs including the hard stuff. Treat medically with good education for our youth. Legalize prostitution and control our guns that go into Mexico.

    The Callen.

    legalizing all drugs including the hard stuff is not the answer death and crime will crime will sky rocket, I don't know if you've ever seen a herion junky hurting and willing to do anything to get better but it's not pretty...AIDS and other STD's will be even worse than they are now, you can't compare a drunk to a junky either the pain and suffering of a junky turns people into something they never thought possible,
    I've heaed the stories of other countries making places for junkies to legally do thier thing but I'll bet the death and crime that happens in those areas is mind boggeling not to mention the lifes that are simply ruined.

    Godfather.
    Would you run out and get some heroin if it was legalized?
    Me neither.




    If cocaine was legal and available at Walgreens ... yeah, I would try it.

    Fact is I've never seen it and wouldn't know where to get it.
    Sweet. I'd join you :tongue:
    What do you think would happen next? Sell the house, and your ass on a corner?
    Most users are responsible about it.
    even if YOU would try it....the case study data shows this shouldn't be a concern.

    ....and if you really wanted to try cocaine, you could pretty easily find it. If not through contacts from weed dealers, club goers, young people in your area (I know you told me before that you are not in an urban area), then through tor sites via mail order....I know people who have done this and say that without signing for a package, there is virtually no risk to the receiver. The war on drugs doesn't do much to prevent people from obtaining drugs if they want them.
    My concern is that I know a lot of people that used K2 that wouldn't smoke pot because it could land them in jail or cost them their jobs. And no one even knows what the hell chems they add to it but they smoke it because it's a loophole.

    If we take the taboo away from all narcotics, it will be a free for all and people who have lived a sober life will suffer from addiction at sky high level rates.

    I think if we make pot legal, that would suffice because people like pot and I think they would be chill with that being the threshold to partake in. Anything above pot, then it becomes dangerous.
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    Party On, Dudes!
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576

    rgambs said:

    Jason P said:

    callen said:

    We have unlimited corporate campaign donations from lobbyists and news organizations funded by advertisers. All relative.
    Though agree it's shameful how Mexican government seems powerless in dealing with powerful prisoners. And have been shaken down by Mexican police. Typical. Did have local Constable in Houston ask me for cash donation. Told him I didn't have cash and let me go no ticket.

    Let's just legalize all drugs including the hard stuff. Treat medically with good education for our youth. Legalize prostitution and control our guns that go into Mexico.

    The Callen.

    legalizing all drugs including the hard stuff is not the answer death and crime will crime will sky rocket, I don't know if you've ever seen a herion junky hurting and willing to do anything to get better but it's not pretty...AIDS and other STD's will be even worse than they are now, you can't compare a drunk to a junky either the pain and suffering of a junky turns people into something they never thought possible,
    I've heaed the stories of other countries making places for junkies to legally do thier thing but I'll bet the death and crime that happens in those areas is mind boggeling not to mention the lifes that are simply ruined.

    Godfather.
    Would you run out and get some heroin if it was legalized?
    Me neither.




    If cocaine was legal and available at Walgreens ... yeah, I would try it.

    Fact is I've never seen it and wouldn't know where to get it.
    mehh...it ain't all it's "cracked" up to be. LOL !!!!!

    Godfather.

    Hahaha good one! And true, unless it's the very best cocaine you can get it is an average buzz. The ratio of cost to inebriation level is off the charts, far and away the least value for your buck.
    Alcohol wins the value award for sure, it is incredibly idiotic that booze (which is extremely deadly and damaging) is legal and available in every corner store and marijuana (which has never killed anyone) is illegal and people are rotting in prison for simply possessing small amounts.
    Tell that to LSD :wink:
    Cocaine is a different animal. No, it doesn't get you very high unless it's top-shelf or you do a lot...and of course it's dangerous in either scenario. But it does have different qualities that make it something people desire..... there wouldn't be millions using it if it didn't have some kind of benefit to them. I know people hate hearing that....but it's the truth. Same with every drug, and even if used for recreational purposes.

    Hahaha yeah, mushies are cheap and unforgettable too!
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited July 2015
    FWIW, only about 10% of all people who do drugs become addicts. The other 90% just do it for recreation and are perfectly fine. This includes drugs like coke, meth, and heroine.
    BTW, if they started selling coke at the pharmacy, you bet your ass I'd be picking some up for special occasions. Cocaine is a helluva drug. =)

    Oh, and yeah, Drowned is right. If you're looking for the most bang for your buck, acid is the hands down winner, lol.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    addicts in the making....everybody says it wont get me I have control over it...HAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAH ...maybe for some that's true but for some it is not, let me see if I got this right , as you say only about 10% of drug users are addicts so lets make all drugs legal right ?
    then I would say only about 10% of gun owners are murders or criminals so why not give states like California thier right open carry or conceal carry without a permit ? just say'n drugs kill more people than guns in the US so why not ?....it's just a few that abuse the right or die as a result of either...right ?

    Godfather.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited July 2015

    addicts in the making....everybody says it wont get me I have control over it...HAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAH ...maybe for some that's true but for some it is not, let me see if I got this right , as you say only about 10% of drug users are addicts so lets make all drugs legal right ?
    then I would say only about 10% of gun owners are murders or criminals so why not give states like California thier right open carry or conceal carry without a permit ? just say'n drugs kill more people than guns in the US so why not ?....it's just a few that abuse the right or die as a result of either...right ?

    Godfather.

    I certainly hope that 10% of gun owners aren't murderers or criminals, lol, but I guess with the crime rates in the US, you might be right.
    I don't think drugs should be legal because only 10% of users become addicted. I think they should be legal because prohibition doesn't prevent use, prevents regulation and education, creates crime, and wastes money.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388

    addicts in the making....everybody says it wont get me I have control over it...HAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAH ...maybe for some that's true but for some it is not, let me see if I got this right , as you say only about 10% of drug users are addicts so lets make all drugs legal right ?
    then I would say only about 10% of gun owners are murders or criminals so why not give states like California thier right open carry or conceal carry without a permit ? just say'n drugs kill more people than guns in the US so why not ?....it's just a few that abuse the right or die as a result of either...right ?

    Godfather.

    Gf addiction is a health problem not a militarized moralized police busting down your door and fucking up many lives problem.

    Legalize and educate and spend money wasted in policing on health. Be much cheaper AND take money away from dealers.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    well I can honestly say as a X-addict(over 20 years clean thank you very much !) your walking on a slippery slope with that argument because drug addiction blinds education, you might make it out alive and you may not and even if you do the effects of long term drug use will or can affect you long after you clean up...it kinda sneeks up on ya and WAAAM you have heart problems or mental problems and you think to yourelf "shit I'm only 53 years old and I had a heart attack or some even struggle with mental disorders(my good friend Bill) because the demon never left and real consequences paid by X addicts is suiside, (Brian spelling lesson please)
    just say'n folks the danger is real don't kid yourselfs.

    Godfather.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177

    well I can honestly say as a X-addict(over 20 years clean thank you very much !) your walking on a slippery slope with that argument because drug addiction blinds education, you might make it out alive and you may not and even if you do the effects of long term drug use will or can affect you long after you clean up...it kinda sneeks up on ya and WAAAM you have heart problems or mental problems and you think to yourelf "shit I'm only 53 years old and I had a heart attack or some even struggle with mental disorders(my good friend Bill) because the demon never left and real consequences paid by X addicts is suiside, (Brian spelling lesson please)
    just say'n folks the danger is real don't kid yourselfs.

    Godfather.

    Congrats on 20+ years, GF!

    I get what you're saying, I really do. But think of the money that has been spent treating addicts like criminals. It hasn't solved anything - we lock them up, they get a criminal record, back on the streets with no marketable skills and a criminal record precluding them from many places of employment, back to using, rinse and repeat (or OD and don't repeat). Why don't we try something else? We should show some compassion - you clearly have compassion for them - with education, access to treatment programs, and help getting lives back in order. Use the money we spend on this bogus war on drugs and actually help people. But as long as we continue to treat them like criminals they will continue to do what they do, to the detriment of themselves and society at large. Additionally, let me appeal to your freedom-loving side - think of all of our liberties and rights which have been eroded because of this war on drugs, which is really just a war on people (privacy, search & seizure, civil forfeiture, mandatory minimum sentences, etc...). Here's one way to reverse that trend, restore some liberty, and demonstrate compassion and enlightenment. Its a win-win for everyone except those in power.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    jeffbr said:

    well I can honestly say as a X-addict(over 20 years clean thank you very much !) your walking on a slippery slope with that argument because drug addiction blinds education, you might make it out alive and you may not and even if you do the effects of long term drug use will or can affect you long after you clean up...it kinda sneeks up on ya and WAAAM you have heart problems or mental problems and you think to yourelf "shit I'm only 53 years old and I had a heart attack or some even struggle with mental disorders(my good friend Bill) because the demon never left and real consequences paid by X addicts is suiside, (Brian spelling lesson please)
    just say'n folks the danger is real don't kid yourselfs.

    Godfather.

    Congrats on 20+ years, GF!

    I get what you're saying, I really do. But think of the money that has been spent treating addicts like criminals. It hasn't solved anything - we lock them up, they get a criminal record, back on the streets with no marketable skills and a criminal record precluding them from many places of employment, back to using, rinse and repeat (or OD and don't repeat). Why don't we try something else? We should show some compassion - you clearly have compassion for them - with education, access to treatment programs, and help getting lives back in order. Use the money we spend on this bogus war on drugs and actually help people. But as long as we continue to treat them like criminals they will continue to do what they do, to the detriment of themselves and society at large. Additionally, let me appeal to your freedom-loving side - think of all of our liberties and rights which have been eroded because of this war on drugs, which is really just a war on people (privacy, search & seizure, civil forfeiture, mandatory minimum sentences, etc...). Here's one way to reverse that trend, restore some liberty, and demonstrate compassion and enlightenment. Its a win-win for everyone except those in power.
    o.k you got me...very well put, I would have to agree with you here, I have a friend who did 10 years on a drug charge and when he got out he has managed to stay clean and crime free but as you mentioned he now has a record that will follow him around and exclude him from most good paying jobs infact he asked me to help him get a job where I work and when i told him they do an extesive back ground check because we do government work there was no way it would happen, he now owns and runs a HD repair shop out of his garage (not doing so great) but he was an AP mechanic and made good money and now it's gone.

    Godfather.

  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    He should pray that Machete is a fictional character.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    He should pray that Machete is a fictional character.

    Mechete ?

    Godfather.