Your pick for first U.S. female president?

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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    Elizabeth Warren
    Jason P said:

    Marge Simpson.

    God forbid we have to chose between a Bush or Clinton as our next glorious leader.

    Proper fucked, we would be. Winter is coming.

    lmao!
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Whichever one believes and acts exactly the way I believe is good enough for me.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    know1 said:

    Whichever one believes and acts exactly the way I believe is good enough for me.

    Is there one? In my 30 years of voting for Pres it is hard enough to find a candidate that even approximates my beliefs, let alone believes and acts exactly the way I believe. I can't imagine a candidate making it to the national stage with integrity and convictions in tact. They've all had to compromise and sells bits and pieces of their souls to get to the national spotlight.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,668
    Elizabeth Warren
    jeffbr said:

    know1 said:

    Whichever one believes and acts exactly the way I believe is good enough for me.

    Is there one? In my 30 years of voting for Pres it is hard enough to find a candidate that even approximates my beliefs, let alone believes and acts exactly the way I believe. I can't imagine a candidate making it to the national stage with integrity and convictions in tact. They've all had to compromise and sells bits and pieces of their souls to get to the national spotlight.
    Question is, was that by choice?

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    jeffbr said:

    know1 said:

    Whichever one believes and acts exactly the way I believe is good enough for me.

    Is there one? In my 30 years of voting for Pres it is hard enough to find a candidate that even approximates my beliefs, let alone believes and acts exactly the way I believe. I can't imagine a candidate making it to the national stage with integrity and convictions in tact. They've all had to compromise and sells bits and pieces of their souls to get to the national spotlight.
    I've noted the same as you. That's why I can't ever vote for any of them.

    The other point of my post was that it makes no difference to me if it's a man or woman as long as they are aligned with my beliefs and demonstrate that alignment with their actions.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    brianlux said:

    jeffbr said:

    know1 said:

    Whichever one believes and acts exactly the way I believe is good enough for me.

    Is there one? In my 30 years of voting for Pres it is hard enough to find a candidate that even approximates my beliefs, let alone believes and acts exactly the way I believe. I can't imagine a candidate making it to the national stage with integrity and convictions in tact. They've all had to compromise and sells bits and pieces of their souls to get to the national spotlight.
    Question is, was that by choice?

    That is a good question. I think it is by choice. I think the motivation to make that choice can vary from pragmatism (knowing they need to modify their opinions to be more broadly accepted), to consciously doing whatever they need to do to get ahead, amass more power, integrate more tightly with the machine that drives the party.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,668
    Elizabeth Warren
    jeffbr said:

    brianlux said:

    jeffbr said:

    know1 said:

    Whichever one believes and acts exactly the way I believe is good enough for me.

    Is there one? In my 30 years of voting for Pres it is hard enough to find a candidate that even approximates my beliefs, let alone believes and acts exactly the way I believe. I can't imagine a candidate making it to the national stage with integrity and convictions in tact. They've all had to compromise and sells bits and pieces of their souls to get to the national spotlight.
    Question is, was that by choice?

    That is a good question. I think it is by choice. I think the motivation to make that choice can vary from pragmatism (knowing they need to modify their opinions to be more broadly accepted), to consciously doing whatever they need to do to get ahead, amass more power, integrate more tightly with the machine that drives the party.
    I actually hope you are right but I doubt they really have much choice in anything they do. Just a hunch- who knows.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    brianlux said:

    jeffbr said:

    brianlux said:

    jeffbr said:

    know1 said:

    Whichever one believes and acts exactly the way I believe is good enough for me.

    Is there one? In my 30 years of voting for Pres it is hard enough to find a candidate that even approximates my beliefs, let alone believes and acts exactly the way I believe. I can't imagine a candidate making it to the national stage with integrity and convictions in tact. They've all had to compromise and sells bits and pieces of their souls to get to the national spotlight.
    Question is, was that by choice?

    That is a good question. I think it is by choice. I think the motivation to make that choice can vary from pragmatism (knowing they need to modify their opinions to be more broadly accepted), to consciously doing whatever they need to do to get ahead, amass more power, integrate more tightly with the machine that drives the party.
    I actually hope you are right but I doubt they really have much choice in anything they do. Just a hunch- who knows.

    At what point do you think they don't have a choice? Maybe I'm missing what you're implying. I think it is their choice to compromise principles in order to advance. I don't know what kind of choices they have once they commit, though. Once they're part of the machine, they're along for the ride. Speech writers, political advisors, spokespeople, fundraisers all keep that machine rolling.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,668
    edited June 2015
    Elizabeth Warren
    jeffbr said:

    brianlux said:

    jeffbr said:

    brianlux said:

    jeffbr said:

    know1 said:

    Whichever one believes and acts exactly the way I believe is good enough for me.

    Is there one? In my 30 years of voting for Pres it is hard enough to find a candidate that even approximates my beliefs, let alone believes and acts exactly the way I believe. I can't imagine a candidate making it to the national stage with integrity and convictions in tact. They've all had to compromise and sells bits and pieces of their souls to get to the national spotlight.
    Question is, was that by choice?

    That is a good question. I think it is by choice. I think the motivation to make that choice can vary from pragmatism (knowing they need to modify their opinions to be more broadly accepted), to consciously doing whatever they need to do to get ahead, amass more power, integrate more tightly with the machine that drives the party.
    I actually hope you are right but I doubt they really have much choice in anything they do. Just a hunch- who knows.

    At what point do you think they don't have a choice? Maybe I'm missing what you're implying. I think it is their choice to compromise principles in order to advance. I don't know what kind of choices they have once they commit, though. Once they're part of the machine, they're along for the ride. Speech writers, political advisors, spokespeople, fundraisers all keep that machine rolling.
    Who tells who what to do? The POTUSS or the Machine?

    Or is it whom? English... image

    Post edited by brianlux on
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    brianlux said:

    jeffbr said:

    brianlux said:

    jeffbr said:

    brianlux said:

    jeffbr said:

    know1 said:

    Whichever one believes and acts exactly the way I believe is good enough for me.

    Is there one? In my 30 years of voting for Pres it is hard enough to find a candidate that even approximates my beliefs, let alone believes and acts exactly the way I believe. I can't imagine a candidate making it to the national stage with integrity and convictions in tact. They've all had to compromise and sells bits and pieces of their souls to get to the national spotlight.
    Question is, was that by choice?

    That is a good question. I think it is by choice. I think the motivation to make that choice can vary from pragmatism (knowing they need to modify their opinions to be more broadly accepted), to consciously doing whatever they need to do to get ahead, amass more power, integrate more tightly with the machine that drives the party.
    I actually hope you are right but I doubt they really have much choice in anything they do. Just a hunch- who knows.

    At what point do you think they don't have a choice? Maybe I'm missing what you're implying. I think it is their choice to compromise principles in order to advance. I don't know what kind of choices they have once they commit, though. Once they're part of the machine, they're along for the ride. Speech writers, political advisors, spokespeople, fundraisers all keep that machine rolling.
    Who tells who what to do? The POTUSS or the Machine?

    Or is it whom? English... image

    That's another great question!! I'd really like to think that ultimately the President still calls his own shots to some extent. I believe Obama does. I don't necessarily believe GBW always did. He had very strong, seasoned political players running that show (Rumsfeld, Cheney, Baker, etc...).
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,668
    Elizabeth Warren
    jeffbr said:

    brianlux said:

    jeffbr said:

    brianlux said:

    jeffbr said:

    brianlux said:

    jeffbr said:

    know1 said:

    Whichever one believes and acts exactly the way I believe is good enough for me.

    Is there one? In my 30 years of voting for Pres it is hard enough to find a candidate that even approximates my beliefs, let alone believes and acts exactly the way I believe. I can't imagine a candidate making it to the national stage with integrity and convictions in tact. They've all had to compromise and sells bits and pieces of their souls to get to the national spotlight.
    Question is, was that by choice?

    That is a good question. I think it is by choice. I think the motivation to make that choice can vary from pragmatism (knowing they need to modify their opinions to be more broadly accepted), to consciously doing whatever they need to do to get ahead, amass more power, integrate more tightly with the machine that drives the party.
    I actually hope you are right but I doubt they really have much choice in anything they do. Just a hunch- who knows.

    At what point do you think they don't have a choice? Maybe I'm missing what you're implying. I think it is their choice to compromise principles in order to advance. I don't know what kind of choices they have once they commit, though. Once they're part of the machine, they're along for the ride. Speech writers, political advisors, spokespeople, fundraisers all keep that machine rolling.
    Who tells who what to do? The POTUSS or the Machine?

    Or is it whom? English... image

    That's another great question!! I'd really like to think that ultimately the President still calls his own shots to some extent. I believe Obama does. I don't necessarily believe GBW always did. He had very strong, seasoned political players running that show (Rumsfeld, Cheney, Baker, etc...).
    I'd really like to think so do, Jeff. Otherwise, it's very easy to fall into thinking the idea that voting is a waste of time so why do it. And in some ways, it does seem like a waste of time to me but it's very little time spend so I keep hoping something good comes from it.



    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • CH156378
    CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    Other
    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5686d25ee4b06fa688827945

    Thought this was rather fun.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited January 2016
    There is this guy up here in the cold north with an absurdly long last name who conducts interviews really well.
    Not quite sure how many muricans :smile: know of him but anyway here is an interview with Hillary from 2010.

    The excerpt from 13:20 - 14:30 is a reason why I would vote for her if I was American. I am all for advancing the rights and care of women.

    https://youtu.be/GFTjB2KI1u8

    edit - anyone who is against abortion for religious reasons should've been aborted.
    Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
  • CH156378
    CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    Other
    http://votesmart.org/candidate/campaign-finance/55463/hillary-clinton#.VoexF_E8LCQ
  • davidtrios
    davidtrios Posts: 9,732
    Elizabeth Warren
    In 20 years

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  • muskydan
    muskydan Posts: 1,013
    davidtrios said:

    In 20 years

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    Hubba Hubba.... Wouldn't that be the Bomb!!!!
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Miley!
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Senor P, I've missed you 'round these parts!
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    hedonist said:

    Senor P, I've missed you 'round these parts!

    Life has been dealing me some crap hands lately. I figure that discussing politics isn't good for the soul until my ship is uprighted. But I still have all my fingers and toes so all shall soon be good and I can become a political curmudgeon once again in the near future.
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Wishing you luck on your ship (and anchor?). You're a good and intelligent guy - you'll get there...and holler my way if you need to, well, holler.

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