USA Patriot Act

brianlux said:

They want to revise it and call it "The Freedom Act". Freedom. I'm not sure what that word mean in modern day vernacular.

I'm starting to think it means "stop thinking".

Rand Paul hasn't done anything but cement his chances to 0% of ever being elected President.
It's a money grab for him...nothing more.

badbrains said:

Anyone thinks they're done spying on us, I got a couple bridges for sale.

You got that right!

He's fundraising off of it

jeffbr said:

Gern Blansten said:

Rand Paul hasn't done anything but cement his chances to 0% of ever being elected President.
It's a money grab for him...nothing more.

He may not have a chance, but I'd rather he acted on principle, and that's what he's appeared to have done. He has probably shot himself in the foot with a lot of the hawks in the GOP, but he has been pretty consistent in his opposition to the Patriot Act. And your "hasn't done anything" comment is obviously hyperbole, since he actually did do something. He killed the act, and while it will come back in a different form, it will come back without some of the illegal data collection programs. So he did do something, and it was good.

In my opinion it will be back in full force...virtually no changes.

hey if the patriot act avoided another 9/11 i'm all for it. i think a lot of people forget what happened 14 years ago. hopefully we can have both houses come together and pass a few provisions of this to help.
i'd like these parts of the patriot act law again:

• Lesser-known powers under Section 215 also ended. While the mass collection of phone records by the NSA has been the focus of attention, this section of the law is also used by the FBI and CIA to collect other information. For example, the CIA uses it to track financial data, such as wire transfers, that can help expose terrorist networks. The FBI has used it to obtain companies' Internet business records.
• The "roving wiretap" provision has expired. This allows federal agencies to monitor a person rather than a specific phone or electronic device. The government can keep track of suspected terrorists regardless of how many cell phones they use and throw away. Approval for the surveillance must be obtained from a federal court.
• All investigations of phone records under Section 215 of the law will not stop immediately. A clause in the Patriot Act allows the NSA to continue investigations it has already started. The agency collects data that shows who made and received calls, how long those calls lasted, and when they happened. The data does not include the substance of those calls.

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

hey if the patriot act avoided another 9/11 i'm all for it. i think a lot of people forget what happened 14 years ago. hopefully we can have both houses come together and pass a few provisions of this to help.
i'd like these parts of the patriot act law again:

• Lesser-known powers under Section 215 also ended. While the mass collection of phone records by the NSA has been the focus of attention, this section of the law is also used by the FBI and CIA to collect other information. For example, the CIA uses it to track financial data, such as wire transfers, that can help expose terrorist networks. The FBI has used it to obtain companies' Internet business records.
• The "roving wiretap" provision has expired. This allows federal agencies to monitor a person rather than a specific phone or electronic device. The government can keep track of suspected terrorists regardless of how many cell phones they use and throw away. Approval for the surveillance must be obtained from a federal court.
• All investigations of phone records under Section 215 of the law will not stop immediately. A clause in the Patriot Act allows the NSA to continue investigations it has already started. The agency collects data that shows who made and received calls, how long those calls lasted, and when they happened. The data does not include the substance of those calls.

Except that the FBI, CIA, and NSA have never provided evidence that it has contributed to the prevention of a terrorist act, and have even made statements affirming that no such occurence has happened.

who cares? at least they have the means to possible prevent another terrorist attack. i have zero to hide. i'll give up a very tiny bit of my privacy to prevent another 9/11.

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

hey if the patriot act avoided another 9/11 i'm all for it. i think a lot of people forget what happened 14 years ago. hopefully we can have both houses come together and pass a few provisions of this to help.
i'd like these parts of the patriot act law again:

• Lesser-known powers under Section 215 also ended. While the mass collection of phone records by the NSA has been the focus of attention, this section of the law is also used by the FBI and CIA to collect other information. For example, the CIA uses it to track financial data, such as wire transfers, that can help expose terrorist networks. The FBI has used it to obtain companies' Internet business records.
• The "roving wiretap" provision has expired. This allows federal agencies to monitor a person rather than a specific phone or electronic device. The government can keep track of suspected terrorists regardless of how many cell phones they use and throw away. Approval for the surveillance must be obtained from a federal court.
• All investigations of phone records under Section 215 of the law will not stop immediately. A clause in the Patriot Act allows the NSA to continue investigations it has already started. The agency collects data that shows who made and received calls, how long those calls lasted, and when they happened. The data does not include the substance of those calls.

Except that the FBI, CIA, and NSA have never provided evidence that it has contributed to the prevention of a terrorist act, and have even made statements affirming that no such occurence has happened.

who cares? at least they have the means to possible prevent another terrorist attack. i have zero to hide. i'll give up a very tiny bit of my privacy to prevent another 9/11.

I really don't think it has the power to prevent an attack. I just don't see it.
I don't personally care what they do with my phone data either, but if you don't draw the line at some point they will just keep advancing.