The "NON" Bill of Rights

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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Quotes are fucked, all of the text is mine, in response to, and directed at Godfather.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    "justis"...oh, GF =)

    I think the "speak English" thing IS important when it comes to vital communication, dealing with coworkers or the public (depending on field and location), etc. Other times, doesn't really matter. Hell, my grandmother spoke barely a word of English - and we communicated just fine! - yet she didn't really need to given her circumstances. I'm sure there have been and continue to be many others in similar situations.

    Really, doesn't the majority of the rest of it come down to common sense, compassion and holding ourselves accountable?
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,077
    Nothing here that i would call brilliant at all more like pathetic .....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    josevolution said:

    Nothing here that i would call brilliant at all more like pathetic .....

    Pathetic Jose? Surely you must at least agree with a few of these?
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    rr165892 said:

    josevolution said:

    Nothing here that i would call brilliant at all more like pathetic .....

    Pathetic Jose? Surely you must at least agree with a few of these?
    I agree with them all but the last 2... And still I find it pathetic. It comes from a very petty and misled state of mind that has been duped by informational sleight of hand. Pay attention to the lowest example of citizenry so you don't notice the man behind the curtain who is robbing you blind to a much larger degree.
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    josevolution said:

    Nothing here that i would call brilliant at all more like pathetic .....

    Pathetic Jose? Surely you must at least agree with a few of these?
    I agree with them all but the last 2... And still I find it pathetic. It comes from a very petty and misled state of mind that has been duped by informational sleight of hand. Pay attention to the lowest example of citizenry so you don't notice the man behind the curtain who is robbing you blind to a much larger degree.
    Why do you say that Gambs?
    How does your last sentence have any relevance to what was stated in that list?
    Nothing up on that list said don't be benevolent.It just encourages self empowerment.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,776
    And then there's this, haha!....
    http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Bill_of_Wrongs


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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    rr165892 said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    josevolution said:

    Nothing here that i would call brilliant at all more like pathetic .....

    Pathetic Jose? Surely you must at least agree with a few of these?
    I agree with them all but the last 2... And still I find it pathetic. It comes from a very petty and misled state of mind that has been duped by informational sleight of hand. Pay attention to the lowest example of citizenry so you don't notice the man behind the curtain who is robbing you blind to a much larger degree.
    Why do you say that Gambs?
    How does your last sentence have any relevance to what was stated in that list?
    Nothing up on that list said don't be benevolent.It just encourages self empowerment.
    The relevance is that the entire list is a rant against the conservative theme of the "welfare state" and it's recipients. I know you don't do much social media, but this is a very common sort of thing that gets shared around with false patriotism and memes that keep snopes in business. The entire thing is a distraction to keep corporate welfare and influence peddling off the minds of the dim-witted kind of folks who embrace the Tea Party. If they were truly made to understand the amount of money that the insanely wealthy take from their pockets they would have no reason (besides simple pettiness) to begrudge poor people leading miserable lives.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    It isn't about self-empowerment, it is about keeping prevalent the notion that there is a vast portion of the population which has no ambition, only entitlement. I don't understand how you can take this seriously, it is mockery and it is poorly written as well.
    The fact that you don't see these d-baggy memes and chain letters regularly is the only reason I can see for you to take it seriously.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,002
    hedonist said:

    "justis"...oh, GF =)

    I think the "speak English" thing IS important when it comes to vital communication, dealing with coworkers or the public (depending on field and location), etc. Other times, doesn't really matter. Hell, my grandmother spoke barely a word of English - and we communicated just fine! - yet she didn't really need to given her circumstances. I'm sure there have been and continue to be many others in similar situations.

    Really, doesn't the majority of the rest of it come down to common sense, compassion and holding ourselves accountable?

    Maybe, but the sentiment coms from a place of blatant racism. Speak our language or get the fuck out! It is all based in fear and paranoia, not to mention feelings of inadequacy of only being able to (barely) speak one language.

    There's this turd at work who is always bitching about "those guys" that speak in their native tongue in her presence, like in the elevator. She is not even involved in their conversation, obviously. She thinks it should be corporate policy to speak english when in the presence of others. She's just paranoid that they are talking about her. I hope they are. Its pathetic.

    Speak whatever fucking language you want around me. If I moved to the mid east, and had a few co workers that also spoke english, damn straight id be speaking it to them instead of my second language.

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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    hedonist said:

    "justis"...oh, GF =)

    I think the "speak English" thing IS important when it comes to vital communication, dealing with coworkers or the public (depending on field and location), etc. Other times, doesn't really matter. Hell, my grandmother spoke barely a word of English - and we communicated just fine! - yet she didn't really need to given her circumstances. I'm sure there have been and continue to be many others in similar situations.

    Really, doesn't the majority of the rest of it come down to common sense, compassion and holding ourselves accountable?

    Maybe, but the sentiment coms from a place of blatant racism. Speak our language or get the fuck out! It is all based in fear and paranoia, not to mention feelings of inadequacy of only being able to (barely) speak one language.

    There's this turd at work who is always bitching about "those guys" that speak in their native tongue in her presence, like in the elevator. She is not even involved in their conversation, obviously. She thinks it should be corporate policy to speak english when in the presence of others. She's just paranoid that they are talking about her. I hope they are. Its pathetic.

    Speak whatever fucking language you want around me. If I moved to the mid east, and had a few co workers that also spoke english, damn straight id be speaking it to them instead of my second language.

    But sentiment isn't based in reality; as I said, I get that some don't (read: are unable to) speak English and if has no negative effect, no big deal. As to work, my office has a number of people from various nations, some of whom speak in their native tongues among themselves. Like you, I don't give a shit about that!

    (I have good relationships with them, and they bring in awesome-smelling lunches :) )

    It doesn't even bother me anymore that I have to deal with phone calls with outside vendors and tenants because of a bit of a language/accent barrier on their part. They're good people and kick ass at what they do.

    Shortage of that lately, no matter where one was originally born!

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,776
    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    josevolution said:

    Nothing here that i would call brilliant at all more like pathetic .....

    Pathetic Jose? Surely you must at least agree with a few of these?
    I agree with them all but the last 2... And still I find it pathetic. It comes from a very petty and misled state of mind that has been duped by informational sleight of hand. Pay attention to the lowest example of citizenry so you don't notice the man behind the curtain who is robbing you blind to a much larger degree.
    Why do you say that Gambs?
    How does your last sentence have any relevance to what was stated in that list?
    Nothing up on that list said don't be benevolent.It just encourages self empowerment.
    The relevance is that the entire list is a rant against the conservative theme of the "welfare state" and it's recipients. I know you don't do much social media, but this is a very common sort of thing that gets shared around with false patriotism and memes that keep snopes in business. The entire thing is a distraction to keep corporate welfare and influence peddling off the minds of the dim-witted kind of folks who embrace the Tea Party. If they were truly made to understand the amount of money that the insanely wealthy take from their pockets they would have no reason (besides simple pettiness) to begrudge poor people leading miserable lives.
    That's the basic summation I came up with as well, gambs.

    Also, the intent of that list is two-fold: provoking a negative response toward people with progressive social beliefs and, more subtly, support for the corporate power structure. It harkens in an way to that great Bob Dylan line "Steal a little and they put you in jail/ Steal a lot [including corporate welfare] and they make you king". In-of-itself, it is clever and interesting and some of it even quite true but the intent undermines any useful purpose it might serve and the detriment to the average and especially the poor person is buried in clever rhetoric.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Amongst the Ani
    Amongst the Ani @Wobbie Posts: 7,790
    edited May 2015
    I do agree with the English one. I live in AZ and we have a vast population of non english speakers. I expect people to learn English. If you don't learn English don't give me the 'I came here to get a better life story'. If you can't speak the language you are really limiting what you can do and for that reason they should learn it.

    I also work with people every day from all over the globe. Its not about being racist or caring what language they speak at home. Its about maximizing opportunities. There are so many people who would love to come to the US to truly try and have a better life.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,776
    Amongst the Ani said:

    I do agree with the English one. I live in AZ and we have a vast population of non english speakers. I expect people to learn English. If you don't learn English don't give me the 'I came here to get a better life story'. If you can't speak the language you are really limiting what you can do and for that reason they should learn it.

    I also work with people every day from all over the globe. Its not about being racist or caring what language they speak at home. Its about maximizing opportunities. There are so many people who would love to come to the US to truly try and have a better life.

    I think learning at least some basic English is a good idea but at the same time it always amazes me how many Americans traveling abroad are too lazy to learn a little of the language of the country they are visiting and just assume everyone everywhere should speak English.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    brianlux said:

    Amongst the Ani said:

    I do agree with the English one. I live in AZ and we have a vast population of non english speakers. I expect people to learn English. If you don't learn English don't give me the 'I came here to get a better life story'. If you can't speak the language you are really limiting what you can do and for that reason they should learn it.

    I also work with people every day from all over the globe. Its not about being racist or caring what language they speak at home. Its about maximizing opportunities. There are so many people who would love to come to the US to truly try and have a better life.

    I think learning at least some basic English is a good idea but at the same time it always amazes me how many Americans traveling abroad are too lazy to learn a little of the language of the country they are visiting and just assume everyone everywhere should speak English.
    When I did my Europe trip in my early 20s (already knew French), I made a point of learning basic phrases in the languages I didn't speak. Just basic politesse, as I was the visitor.

    Brian - There's a bit of negativity toward mindsets that lean on the conservative side with some issues. Goose and gander.
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Amongst the Ani said:

    I do agree with the English one. I live in AZ and we have a vast population of non english speakers. I expect people to learn English. If you don't learn English don't give me the 'I came here to get a better life story'. If you can't speak the language you are really limiting what you can do and for that reason they should learn it.

    I also work with people every day from all over the globe. Its not about being racist or caring what language they speak at home. Its about maximizing opportunities. There are so many people who would love to come to the US to truly try and have a better life.

    smh
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    josevolution said:

    Nothing here that i would call brilliant at all more like pathetic .....

    Pathetic Jose? Surely you must at least agree with a few of these?
    I agree with them all but the last 2... And still I find it pathetic. It comes from a very petty and misled state of mind that has been duped by informational sleight of hand. Pay attention to the lowest example of citizenry so you don't notice the man behind the curtain who is robbing you blind to a much larger degree.
    Why do you say that Gambs?
    How does your last sentence have any relevance to what was stated in that list?
    Nothing up on that list said don't be benevolent.It just encourages self empowerment.
    The relevance is that the entire list is a rant against the conservative theme of the "welfare state" and it's recipients. I know you don't do much social media, but this is a very common sort of thing that gets shared around with false patriotism and memes that keep snopes in business. The entire thing is a distraction to keep corporate welfare and influence peddling off the minds of the dim-witted kind of folks who embrace the Tea Party. If they were truly made to understand the amount of money that the insanely wealthy take from their pockets they would have no reason (besides simple pettiness) to begrudge poor people leading miserable lives.
    Your correct.I don't do social media.No Facebook,Instagram etc.Although I do follow along on Twitter but don't really post(tweet) anything.So Unless someone emails me a funny story or pics I usually won't see it.
    Perspective is important when reading something like this.
  • riotgrl
    riotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    It is difficult to learn a new language because you have to find a place or person to teach you. It is extremely difficult for adults who migrate to the US to pick up another language without some help. English language classes can be expensive unless you live in a community that has these type of classes for free or cheap usually through a community center. And when are they learning a new language? Many immigrants are working extremely long hours to cover basic necessities. Many feel like working to care for their family is more important than learning the language. However, their children go to school and they speak English very well - they have to because schools won't slow down for them!
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    hedonist said:

    "justis"...oh, GF =)

    I think the "speak English" thing IS important when it comes to vital communication, dealing with coworkers or the public (depending on field and location), etc. Other times, doesn't really matter. Hell, my grandmother spoke barely a word of English - and we communicated just fine! - yet she didn't really need to given her circumstances. I'm sure there have been and continue to be many others in similar situations.

    Really, doesn't the majority of the rest of it come down to common sense, compassion and holding ourselves accountable?

    what would I do without you ? hahhahhahhah thanks Hedonist !

    Godfather.

  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    George Washington – First President of the United States of America

    “It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.”
    – George Washington

    “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable.”
    – George Washington

    We beseech [God] to pardon our national and other transgressions…
    – George Washington, Thanksgiving Proclamation 1789

    Oh, eternal and everlasting God, direct my thoughts, words and work. Wash away my sins in the immaculate blood of the Lamb and purge my heart by Thy Holy Spirit. Daily, frame me more and more in the likeness of Thy son, Jesus Christ, that living in Thy fear, and dying in Thy favor, I may in thy appointed time obtain the resurrection of the justified unto eternal life. Bless, O Lord, the whole race of mankind and let the world be filled with the knowledge of Thee and Thy son, Jesus Christ.
    – George Washington, Prayer

    True religion affords to government its surest support.
    – George Washington

    It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.
    – George Washington (this quote is unconfirmed)

    Samuel Adams – Signer of the Declaration of Independence

    I … [rely] upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins.
    – Samuel Adams

    We have this day [Fourth of July] restored the Sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in Heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His Kingdom come.
    – Samuel Adams

    John Jay – First Chief-Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court

    – Benjamin Franklin

    Thomas Jeferson – President

    God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever.
    – Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson Memorial

    The Christian religion is the best religion that has ever been given to man
    – Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson Memorial

    Daniel Webster – Early American Politician

    Education is useless without the Bible.
    – Daniel Webster

    Noah Webster – “Schoolmaster of the Republic”

    Education is useless without the Bible. The Bible was America’s basic text book in all fields. God’s Word, contained in the Bible, has furnished all necessary rules to direct our conduct.
    – Noah Webster

    In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed … No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.
    – Noah Webster, Preface Noah Webster Dictionary, 1828

    Joseph Story – Supreme Court Justice

    “I verily believe Christianity necessary to the support of civil society. One of the beautiful boasts of our municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is a part of the Common Law … There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying its foundations.”
    – Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, Harvard Speech, 1829

    United States of America National Anthem – Francis Scott Key

    “And this be our motto, ‘In God is our trust'”
    – USA National Anthem, Third Verse

    USA Constitution – First Ammendment

    “Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth…”
    – US Constitution, Before signature text declaring our Christian Nation

    Note: “Year of our Lord” means Jesus Christ is Lord of the USA. (Founding fathers didn’t use year of the Lord)

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion [Christian denomination], or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
    – US Constitution, First Ammendment (Christian religious freedom brackets added)

    Andrew Jackson – President of the United States of America

    “[The Bible] is the rock on which our Republic rests.”

    – Andrew Jackson

    Abraham Lincoln – President of the United States of America

    In regards to this great Book [the Bible], I have but to say it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Savior gave to the world was communicated through this Book. But for it we could not know right from wrong. All things most desirable for man’s welfare, here and hereafter, are found portrayed in it.
    – Abraham Lincoln

    I am busily engaged in study of the Bible.
    – Abraham Lincoln

    This nation under God
    – Abraham Lincoln, Gettysberg Address and inscribed on Lincoln Memorial

    And whereas it is the duty of nations as well as of men, to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God … and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord.
    – Abraham Lincoln

    Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh. (Matthew 18:7)
    – Abraham Lincoln, Lincoln Memorial

    We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.
    – Abraham Lincoln, Lincoln Memorial

    Whereas, the Senate of the United States, devoutly recognizing the Supreme Authority and just Government of Almighty God, in all the affairs of men and of nations, has, by a resolution, requested the President to designate and set apart a day for National prayer and humiliation…
    – Abraham Lincoln

    “Intelligence, patriotism, Christianity, and a firm reliance on Him who has never yet forsaken this favored land, are still competent to adjust in the best way all our present difficulties.”
    – Abraham Lincoln, President, March 4, 1861 inaugural address

    United States Supreme Court

    “This is a Christian nation”
    – United States Supreme Court Decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 1892

    “Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian…This is a Christian nation”
    – United States Supreme Court Decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 1892

    Washington Monument

    Holiness to the Lord (Exodus 28:26, 30:30, Isaiah 23:18, Zechariah 14:20)
    – Washington Monument

    Search the Scriptures (John 5:39)
    – Washington Monument

    The memory of the just is blessed (Proverbs 10:7)
    – Washington Monument

    May Heaven to this Union continue its beneficence
    – Washington Monument

    In God We Trust
    – Washington Monument

    “Praise be to God” (engraved on the monument’s capstone in Latin as “Laus Deo”)
    – Washington Monument

    and there is a lot more......

    Godfather.

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