Police shooting in North Charleston

HughFreakingDillon · April 2015

backseatLover12 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

backseatLover12 said:
Are you kidding. Everyone's actions change when they know they're being filmed vs. not being filmed. Hence the 8 shots in the back.
obviously. I know that, but in the heat of the moment? I sincerely doubt he was able to think "ok, now I'm out of video range.....now I can shoot him!". especially in this day and age of everyone having a cell phone, not to mention the potential for witnesses (broad daylight). if he was able to "turn off" his professionalism when he thought he was out of range of his dashcam, do you think he was that stupid as to tune out the potential for being seen?

He went as far as making up a story to go with the shooting but because he was filmed without his knowing he was caught. Which blows away your assumptions.

no, that goes to his state of mind after the shooting ocurred. not during. and I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying I have doubt that ANY human would be able to think in the terms you are suggesting during this incident ("the camera is on, I'd better act properly....the camera is out of range, now I can shoot!").

Last-12-Exit · April 2015

HughFreakingDillon said:

Last-12-Exit said:

backseatLover12 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

backseatLover12 said:
Are you kidding. Everyone's actions change when they know they're being filmed vs. not being filmed. Hence the 8 shots in the back.
obviously. I know that, but in the heat of the moment? I sincerely doubt he was able to think "ok, now I'm out of video range.....now I can shoot him!". especially in this day and age of everyone having a cell phone, not to mention the potential for witnesses (broad daylight). if he was able to "turn off" his professionalism when he thought he was out of range of his dashcam, do you think he was that stupid as to tune out the potential for being seen?

He went as far as making up a story to go with the shooting but because he was filmed without his knowing he was caught. Which blows away your assumptions.
What was false about his original statement? I've read it. The media is chomping at the bit to find discrepencies, but what are they? Someone said that cpr was given when it wasnt? The cop said Scott grabbed his taser? Is it completely out of the realm of possibility that he thought Scott was grabbing it?
his original statement said something about scott being shot during a struggle for the taser, did it not? maybe I'm mis-remembering.

Yes, the big problem was what the cop left out of the statement. The whole he was running away thing. Ya know, the minor details.

FoxyRedLa · April 2015

HughFreakingDillon said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

backseatLover12 said:
Are you kidding. Everyone's actions change when they know they're being filmed vs. not being filmed. Hence the 8 shots in the back.
Yes and add that he was probably pissed off after he had to chase the guy down. I think it boils down to allowing his anger to take over completely. Something like 4% of the population are sociopaths.
I don't think the cop was hoping the victim ran out of view of his dash cam so he can shoot him. There is another witness no one is talking about and has not been heard from. The passenger in the Benz. What did he see?

I noticed that in the dash cam video. there was a passenger in the car. why is no one (meaning media) mentioning this?

CNN stated the passenger never left the vehicle.

Dirtie_Frank · April 2015

FoxyRedLa said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

backseatLover12 said:
Are you kidding. Everyone's actions change when they know they're being filmed vs. not being filmed. Hence the 8 shots in the back.
Yes and add that he was probably pissed off after he had to chase the guy down. I think it boils down to allowing his anger to take over completely. Something like 4% of the population are sociopaths.
I don't think the cop was hoping the victim ran out of view of his dash cam so he can shoot him. There is another witness no one is talking about and has not been heard from. The passenger in the Benz. What did he see?

I noticed that in the dash cam video. there was a passenger in the car. why is no one (meaning media) mentioning this?

CNN stated the passenger never left the vehicle.

Thanks.

He must have been questioned/interviewed by now

Jason P · April 2015

If I was a cop, I would assume that someone is video taping me if I'm making a public arrest.

Also, shooting someone in the back is the ultimate dick move. Well, besides handcuffing someone after you shoot them in the back ... that is even worse.

Last-12-Exit · April 2015

Jason P said:
If I was a cop, I would assume that someone is video taping me if I'm making a public arrest.

Also, shooting someone in the back is the ultimate dick move. Well, besides handcuffing someone after you shoot them in the back ... that is even worse.

That is national protocol. You cant assume, even after shooting someone, that he's not armed and won't try and shoot you. As cold as it seems, it has to be done. Had the wounds scott suffered not een life threatening, he would have ridden in the ambulance cuffed.

rgambs · April 2015

Last-12-Exit said:

Jason P said:
If I was a cop, I would assume that someone is video taping me if I'm making a public arrest.

Also, shooting someone in the back is the ultimate dick move. Well, besides handcuffing someone after you shoot them in the back ... that is even worse.
That is national protocol. You cant assume, even after shooting someone, that he's not armed and won't try and shoot you. As cold as it seems, it has to be done. Had the wounds scott suffered not een life threatening, he would have ridden in the ambulance cuffed.

It's protocol but it's a shitty one. The likelihood of that happening is astronomical.
Whether being away from the dashcam factored into shooting or not, I'm pretty sure it was a factor in retrieving the taser and dropping it at the body (if in fact that is what he does, which it seems pretty cclear)

FoxyRedLa · April 2015

CNN

- the passenger has been detained and questioned he is insisting his name not be released
- there is another witness female but she has inconsistent statements
- 2 new cop dash cam vids are out
- apparently one video shows when he gets up to run you can see one of the tazer strings on the vic apparently the other one is wrapped around the officers arm
- the officer is in isolation at the jail - he's being monitored for his mental health - no confirmations of suicide or threats from other inmates.
- they talked about how professional he was @ the stop before the vic initial ran - but then how calm and not stressed he looked later when using his gun
- the officers attorney is not happy that the media has gotten more cooperation than he has with his requests

Last-12-Exit · April 2015

FoxyRedLa said:
CNN

- the passenger has been detained and questioned he is insisting his name not be released
- there is another witness female but she has inconsistent statements
- 2 new cop dash cam vids are out
- apparently one video shows when he gets up to run you can see one of the tazer strings on the vic apparently the other one is wrapped around the officers arm
- the officer is in isolation at the jail - he's being monitored for his mental health - no confirmations of suicide or threats from other inmates.
- they talked about how professional he was @ the stop before the vic initial ran - but then how calm and not stressed he looked later when using his gun
- the officers attorney is not happy that the media has gotten more cooperation than he has with his requests

With each passing day and the information that comes out, the more I think that manslaughter will be what this cop is on trial for.

The interviews on CNN are making me sick. Let's get as many people that have nothing o do with the case as possible and ask them questions they are not qualified to answer.

dignin · April 2015

For someone who was acting so irrational he looked pretty cool, calm and collected as he shot 8 times at a man running away from him. Then pretty calm as he walked to the victim and handcuffed him. He looked a little more hurried when he went back to grab an object to then later throw it beside the victim. Then he looked pretty calm as he stood over the victim as he died. I don't think I would have my shit together like that, but I'm not him.

badbrains · April 2015

dignin said:
For someone who was acting so irrational he looked pretty cool, calm and collected as he shot 8 times at a man running away from him. Then pretty calm as he walked to the victim and handcuffed him. He looked a little more hurried when he went back to grab an object to then later throw it beside the victim. Then he looked pretty calm as he stood over the victim as he died. I don't think I would have my shit together like that, but I'm not him.

Imagine if he used that run to get the victim instead of running to plant evidence? We wouldn't be having this thread. Although the new one with the man and horse is pretty fucked up.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · April 2015

dignin said:
For someone who was acting so irrational he looked pretty cool, calm and collected as he shot 8 times at a man running away from him. Then pretty calm as he walked to the victim and handcuffed him. He looked a little more hurried when he went back to grab an object to then later throw it beside the victim. Then he looked pretty calm as he stood over the victim as he died. I don't think I would have my shit together like that, but I'm not him.

Could he have been more rattled after shooting a person than what people think?

Inwardly, I'm pretty sure his mind was racing in a multitude of directions.

We can say what he looked like, but we have no idea where his mind was.

dignin · April 2015

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:
For someone who was acting so irrational he looked pretty cool, calm and collected as he shot 8 times at a man running away from him. Then pretty calm as he walked to the victim and handcuffed him. He looked a little more hurried when he went back to grab an object to then later throw it beside the victim. Then he looked pretty calm as he stood over the victim as he died. I don't think I would have my shit together like that, but I'm not him.
Could he have been more rattled after shooting a person than what people think?

Inwardly, I'm pretty sure his mind was racing in a multitude of directions.

We can say what he looked like, but we have no idea where his mind was.

You are 100% correct. Just giving my thoughts on what I saw.

josevolution · April 2015

Last-12-Exit said:
I also doubt that this cop considered the dash cam when he made the decision to shoot him. That is my opinion. He obviously was not thinking about anything rationally. I've talked with hundreds of people that went through the police academy and not one of them ever said they had training on where to shoot people when their backs are turned to you. This guy fucked up and it cost a man his life and his freedom.

Hundreds really man that's a lot of people ...

Thirty Bills Unpaid · April 2015

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:
For someone who was acting so irrational he looked pretty cool, calm and collected as he shot 8 times at a man running away from him. Then pretty calm as he walked to the victim and handcuffed him. He looked a little more hurried when he went back to grab an object to then later throw it beside the victim. Then he looked pretty calm as he stood over the victim as he died. I don't think I would have my shit together like that, but I'm not him.
Could he have been more rattled after shooting a person than what people think?

Inwardly, I'm pretty sure his mind was racing in a multitude of directions.

We can say what he looked like, but we have no idea where his mind was.
You are 100% correct. Just giving my thoughts on what I saw.

Don't get me wrong... I saw the same thing you did.

Last-12-Exit · April 2015

josevolution said:

Last-12-Exit said:
I also doubt that this cop considered the dash cam when he made the decision to shoot him. That is my opinion. He obviously was not thinking about anything rationally. I've talked with hundreds of people that went through the police academy and not one of them ever said they had training on where to shoot people when their backs are turned to you. This guy fucked up and it cost a man his life and his freedom.
Hundreds really man that's a lot of people ...

Somewhere between 100-150 without exaggeration. Hundreds is probably classified as 200 or more. My mistake.

callen · April 2015

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

callen said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Here is some prior dashcam footage

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/walter-scott-shooting-dashcam-video-shows-him-run-away-after-traffic-stop-1.3027165
Eerie watching that video clip knowing what the future held in store.

Why the decision to bolt? How can that possibly go well for a guy?

I'm also curious as to how a cop can go from performing very professionally at the stop- especially since Scott had no registration or insurance- to a guy bent on killing someone that truly never resembled a threat of any sort?

I think, given today's climate, it would be most prudent for all people to be very obediant and cooperative when being detained. Sort things out at the station if things begin to get out of control. I'm not saying this to give police absolute power... I'm saying this so one doesn't find themselves in a situation like some others have in recent times after a conflict of some form manifests itself.

You never truly know who you are dealing with and when dealing with cops... they have guns... and they may not have the skill set one typically assumes they should.
Thought about this and think fleeing is a natural instinct of man.
We have many instincts that the slightest dose of common sense and awareness override. 'Fight or flight' is not an excuse for behaving like an idiot when detained. If it is... well a cop's job is impossible.

Instinct trumps reason.

callen · April 2015

Dirtie_Frank said:

backseatLover12 said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

backseatLover12 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

backseatLover12 said:
Are you kidding. Everyone's actions change when they know they're being filmed vs. not being filmed. Hence the 8 shots in the back.
obviously. I know that, but in the heat of the moment? I sincerely doubt he was able to think "ok, now I'm out of video range.....now I can shoot him!". especially in this day and age of everyone having a cell phone, not to mention the potential for witnesses (broad daylight). if he was able to "turn off" his professionalism when he thought he was out of range of his dashcam, do you think he was that stupid as to tune out the potential for being seen?

He went as far as making up a story to go with the shooting but because he was filmed without his knowing he was caught. Which blows away your assumptions.
So you know that the officer's intent was to kill the guy once he was off camera?
No, I can admit I don't know what he is thinking... But that's what he did, now didn't he.
Why not come back and blow away the other guy too then. Fuck it he is a witness, you have to take care of him too.

Because the lawyers/police can easily make this other guys account appear not credible.

callen · April 2015

Last-12-Exit said:

FoxyRedLa said:
CNN

- the passenger has been detained and questioned he is insisting his name not be released
- there is another witness female but she has inconsistent statements
- 2 new cop dash cam vids are out
- apparently one video shows when he gets up to run you can see one of the tazer strings on the vic apparently the other one is wrapped around the officers arm
- the officer is in isolation at the jail - he's being monitored for his mental health - no confirmations of suicide or threats from other inmates.
- they talked about how professional he was @ the stop before the vic initial ran - but then how calm and not stressed he looked later when using his gun
- the officers attorney is not happy that the media has gotten more cooperation than he has with his requests
With each passing day and the information that comes out, the more I think that manslaughter will be what this cop is on trial for.

The interviews on CNN are making me sick. Let's get as many people that have nothing o do with the case as possible and ask them questions they are not qualified to answer.

Yeah I can't take it and just turn it off. One of the shit things about "news". Hell next they'll publish poll results on if cops guilt. Right like I care what john q thinks? Oh but not my fellow MT debaters that's different HA.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · April 2015

callen said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

callen said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Here is some prior dashcam footage

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/walter-scott-shooting-dashcam-video-shows-him-run-away-after-traffic-stop-1.3027165
Eerie watching that video clip knowing what the future held in store.

Why the decision to bolt? How can that possibly go well for a guy?

I'm also curious as to how a cop can go from performing very professionally at the stop- especially since Scott had no registration or insurance- to a guy bent on killing someone that truly never resembled a threat of any sort?

I think, given today's climate, it would be most prudent for all people to be very obediant and cooperative when being detained. Sort things out at the station if things begin to get out of control. I'm not saying this to give police absolute power... I'm saying this so one doesn't find themselves in a situation like some others have in recent times after a conflict of some form manifests itself.

You never truly know who you are dealing with and when dealing with cops... they have guns... and they may not have the skill set one typically assumes they should.
Thought about this and think fleeing is a natural instinct of man.
We have many instincts that the slightest dose of common sense and awareness override. 'Fight or flight' is not an excuse for behaving like an idiot when detained. If it is... well a cop's job is impossible.
Instinct trumps reason.

So my instincts to procreate lead me to fondle a woman who catches my attention and has me think of procreating?

No they don't. Unless the individual is unreasonable. This was a routine traffic stop where the officer was hardly acting hostile. The guy was a deadbeat dad, but did he actually have a warrant out for him? He wasn't going to be arrested unless this was the case.

Did he overreact or did he flee from justice?

And, before it begins... no, no I'm not justifying the cop shooting him.

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