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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    dignin said:

    I know I said I'm out, but I wanted to post this one last thing. Too bad these threads get so personal and toxic.

    This is a two part series done by This American Life and is fantastic. It is so perfect for this conversation, but sadly I'm sure will largely be ignored. It shows both sides.


    http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/547/cops-see-it-differently-part-one

    http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/548/cops-see-it-differently-part-two

    I'll be checking this out when I'm at home. Thanks for posting.

    No problem Hugh, and thanks for taking the time. Let me know what you think.

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    here is a link to a finding from a police agency in EUROPE:

    http://www.pfoa.co.uk/110/shooting-to-wound

    an excerpt from the bottom of the article:

    The experts we consulted agreed that advocates who push a shoot-to-wound agenda appear to understand little about human dynamics, ballistics, tactics, force legalities or the challenges officers face on the street. Chudwin has found that these critics of police practices can often be enlightened if they are invited to experience force decision-making scenarios on a firearms simulator.
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    dignin said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    dignin said:

    I know I said I'm out, but I wanted to post this one last thing. Too bad these threads get so personal and toxic.

    This is a two part series done by This American Life and is fantastic. It is so perfect for this conversation, but sadly I'm sure will largely be ignored. It shows both sides.


    http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/547/cops-see-it-differently-part-one

    http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/548/cops-see-it-differently-part-two

    I'll be checking this out when I'm at home. Thanks for posting.

    No problem Hugh, and thanks for taking the time. Let me know what you think.

    I too appreciate any open-sided contribution. No venom, finger-pointing or labels.

    (unfortunately, the link isn't loading here)
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    edited March 2015
    Fail.
    Post edited by brianlux on
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    brianlux said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    brianlux said:

    OK, just to clarify. The "shut this fucker" down thing was a double entendre: shut down my computer/ shut down this thread. What did gimme say about beating these dead horse threads? But what the hey, carry on.

    hedonist said:

    Why should this be shut down? And why now? I've been singled out here and there in a weird way but would never consider it bullying nor worthy of stifling the conversation.

    I realize that. We've all been targets. It's become a shooting match. I don't really care if this thread goes on... but I kinda doubt it will if it stays too personal.

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    brianlux said:

    Wow this thread... when the bullying posturing starts up it's time to shut this fucker down.

    Good grief and GOOD NIGHT!

    Brian... you've written as many inflammatory things as anyone in this thread.
    I will duly and sincerely apologize for anything thing I have said specifically to any individual here that can be characterized as a personal attack. Please, show me where.

    Other than than, I'll move on.

    Come on, man.

    Comments made to a specific person... perhaps not. Comments directed towards a specific mindset... definitely. The people with that mindset understood what you succinctly implied.

    You took a few shots. They weren't lost on anyone. It doesn't matter. This topic has been exhausted from my perspective. I think we all know where we all stand and fair enough... we don't have to agree. You are exceptional (even though you slip in fast food restaurants with your hippy sandals).

    I would say, for the record, that whenever I find myself in opposition to Hugh... I really examine what it is I'm saying and if I should be saying it. He's had me reverse course at least once and in my estimation, he's probably the most balanced individual on this forum. I don't always agree with him or think he's correct, but I respect where he's at and how he's come to where he's at more often than not. So... something to think about at the least.

    Hugh... don't puff your plume out too proudly. You have your moments too.
    Just as I thought- you can't come up with any specific comment I made that was disparaging to any particular individual.

    But we know you are better. It's quite clear that you don't take personal stabs at others. It is clear a day that your "even though you slip in fast food restaurants with your hippy sandals" was intended as a compliment to me. Hey man, nicely done there. Thank you so very much. Thank you for such wonderful empathy regarding that accident. I can't tell you how cool it is to still, to this day to be experiencing these trippy headaches and groovy migraines ever since that accident that gave me a concussion! Far out! They're better than LSD. They're so far out ma-a-a--a-a-a-n.

    Oh, and just so your next little personal jab is more accurate, I don't wear sandals and I'm not a hippy.
    brian, I believe the comment he's referring to is the one that you made about us "being obsessed with killing" or whatever it was, that you later admitted was worded incorrectly, etc.

    let's hit the lounge car! LOL

    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    edited March 2015
    Fail.
    Post edited by brianlux on
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    brianlux said:

    And I totally admitted that was a poor choice of words. God damn it fucking hot under the microscope. But I never took any personal jabs.

    Thanks for the invite but, please excuse me, I need to go break things.

    I know you did. I mentioned that. I felt it was personal. Apparently I wasn't the only one. But it's done, it's over. it's all good brian. at least on my end.

    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    edited March 2015
    Fail.
    Post edited by brianlux on
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    dignin said:

    I know I said I'm out, but I wanted to post this one last thing. Too bad these threads get so personal and toxic.

    This is a two part series done by This American Life and is fantastic. It is so perfect for this conversation, but sadly I'm sure will largely be ignored. It shows both sides.


    http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/547/cops-see-it-differently-part-one

    http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/548/cops-see-it-differently-part-two

    I'll be checking this out when I'm at home. Thanks for posting.

    Ditto for me also Dig.
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    brianlux said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    brianlux said:

    OK, just to clarify. The "shut this fucker" down thing was a double entendre: shut down my computer/ shut down this thread. What did gimme say about beating these dead horse threads? But what the hey, carry on.

    hedonist said:

    Why should this be shut down? And why now? I've been singled out here and there in a weird way but would never consider it bullying nor worthy of stifling the conversation.

    I realize that. We've all been targets. It's become a shooting match. I don't really care if this thread goes on... but I kinda doubt it will if it stays too personal.

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    brianlux said:

    Wow this thread... when the bullying posturing starts up it's time to shut this fucker down.

    Good grief and GOOD NIGHT!

    Brian... you've written as many inflammatory things as anyone in this thread.
    I will duly and sincerely apologize for anything thing I have said specifically to any individual here that can be characterized as a personal attack. Please, show me where.

    Other than than, I'll move on.

    Come on, man.

    Comments made to a specific person... perhaps not. Comments directed towards a specific mindset... definitely. The people with that mindset understood what you succinctly implied.

    You took a few shots. They weren't lost on anyone. It doesn't matter. This topic has been exhausted from my perspective. I think we all know where we all stand and fair enough... we don't have to agree. You are exceptional (even though you slip in fast food restaurants with your hippy sandals).

    I would say, for the record, that whenever I find myself in opposition to Hugh... I really examine what it is I'm saying and if I should be saying it. He's had me reverse course at least once and in my estimation, he's probably the most balanced individual on this forum. I don't always agree with him or think he's correct, but I respect where he's at and how he's come to where he's at more often than not. So... something to think about at the least.

    Hugh... don't puff your plume out too proudly. You have your moments too.
    Just as I thought- you can't come up with any specific comment I made that was disparaging to any particular individual.

    But we know you are better. It's quite clear that you don't take personal stabs at others. It is clear a day that your "even though you slip in fast food restaurants with your hippy sandals" was intended as a compliment to me. Hey man, nicely done there. Thank you so very much. Thank you for such wonderful empathy regarding that accident. I can't tell you how cool it is to still, to this day to be experiencing these trippy headaches and groovy migraines ever since that accident that gave me a concussion! Far out! They're better than LSD. They're so far out ma-a-a--a-a-a-n.

    Oh, and just so your next little personal jab is more accurate, I don't wear sandals and I'm not a hippy.
    You sound like Tomlinson from Randy Wayne Whites Doc Ford Novels.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    brianlux said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    brianlux said:

    OK, just to clarify. The "shut this fucker" down thing was a double entendre: shut down my computer/ shut down this thread. What did gimme say about beating these dead horse threads? But what the hey, carry on.

    hedonist said:

    Why should this be shut down? And why now? I've been singled out here and there in a weird way but would never consider it bullying nor worthy of stifling the conversation.

    I realize that. We've all been targets. It's become a shooting match. I don't really care if this thread goes on... but I kinda doubt it will if it stays too personal.

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    brianlux said:

    Wow this thread... when the bullying posturing starts up it's time to shut this fucker down.

    Good grief and GOOD NIGHT!

    Brian... you've written as many inflammatory things as anyone in this thread.
    I will duly and sincerely apologize for anything thing I have said specifically to any individual here that can be characterized as a personal attack. Please, show me where.

    Other than than, I'll move on.

    Come on, man.

    Comments made to a specific person... perhaps not. Comments directed towards a specific mindset... definitely. The people with that mindset understood what you succinctly implied.

    You took a few shots. They weren't lost on anyone. It doesn't matter. This topic has been exhausted from my perspective. I think we all know where we all stand and fair enough... we don't have to agree. You are exceptional (even though you slip in fast food restaurants with your hippy sandals).

    I would say, for the record, that whenever I find myself in opposition to Hugh... I really examine what it is I'm saying and if I should be saying it. He's had me reverse course at least once and in my estimation, he's probably the most balanced individual on this forum. I don't always agree with him or think he's correct, but I respect where he's at and how he's come to where he's at more often than not. So... something to think about at the least.

    Hugh... don't puff your plume out too proudly. You have your moments too.
    Just as I thought- you can't come up with any specific comment I made that was disparaging to any particular individual.

    But we know you are better. It's quite clear that you don't take personal stabs at others. It is clear a day that your "even though you slip in fast food restaurants with your hippy sandals" was intended as a compliment to me. Hey man, nicely done there. Thank you so very much. Thank you for such wonderful empathy regarding that accident. I can't tell you how cool it is to still, to this day to be experiencing these trippy headaches and groovy migraines ever since that accident that gave me a concussion! Far out! They're better than LSD. They're so far out ma-a-a--a-a-a-n.

    Oh, and just so your next little personal jab is more accurate, I don't wear sandals and I'm not a hippy.
    Wow Brian.

    I'm not sure how such a comment could ever be construed as an effort towards paying somebody a compliment? You and I shared a chuckle over that incident a period of time ago. I offered it as levity assuming that could take us to a happier place.

    I'll leave you alone. Sorry.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    And just for the record, Brian... I said you have made 'inflammatory' things.

    Meaning: you wrote some things that had the effect of riling a few people up. I didn't particularly care for some things you wrote. I know Hedo never did. Hugh just expressed the same. I'm not sure how writing such was met with a challenge to find where you made a comment directed at a specific individual.

    And again... it's a mountain from a mole hill. I might not have cared for your words, but I never stopped caring for the person that wrote them. This is all the love I have today, Brian. If you still think I'm a prick, there's nothing more I can do.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    brianlux said:

    OK, just to clarify. The "shut this fucker" down thing was a double entendre: shut down my computer/ shut down this thread. What did gimme say about beating these dead horse threads? But what the hey, carry on.

    hedonist said:

    Why should this be shut down? And why now? I've been singled out here and there in a weird way but would never consider it bullying nor worthy of stifling the conversation.

    I realize that. We've all been targets. It's become a shooting match. I don't really care if this thread goes on... but I kinda doubt it will if it stays too personal.

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    brianlux said:

    Wow this thread... when the bullying posturing starts up it's time to shut this fucker down.

    Good grief and GOOD NIGHT!

    Brian... you've written as many inflammatory things as anyone in this thread.
    I will duly and sincerely apologize for anything thing I have said specifically to any individual here that can be characterized as a personal attack. Please, show me where.

    Other than than, I'll move on.

    Come on, man.

    Comments made to a specific person... perhaps not. Comments directed towards a specific mindset... definitely. The people with that mindset understood what you succinctly implied.

    You took a few shots. They weren't lost on anyone. It doesn't matter. This topic has been exhausted from my perspective. I think we all know where we all stand and fair enough... we don't have to agree. You are exceptional (even though you slip in fast food restaurants with your hippy sandals).

    I would say, for the record, that whenever I find myself in opposition to Hugh... I really examine what it is I'm saying and if I should be saying it. He's had me reverse course at least once and in my estimation, he's probably the most balanced individual on this forum. I don't always agree with him or think he's correct, but I respect where he's at and how he's come to where he's at more often than not. So... something to think about at the least.

    Hugh... don't puff your plume out too proudly. You have your moments too.
    yes, I absolutely have had my moments. I will readily admit that.

    Nobody said you wouldn't. There was a pretty significant compliment in there as well, Hugh.

    I seriously need to work on either my writing skills or my personality. Or, I need to not write anything after having red wine. There is obviously a major malfunction with this private.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    brianlux said:

    OK, just to clarify. The "shut this fucker" down thing was a double entendre: shut down my computer/ shut down this thread. What did gimme say about beating these dead horse threads? But what the hey, carry on.

    hedonist said:

    Why should this be shut down? And why now? I've been singled out here and there in a weird way but would never consider it bullying nor worthy of stifling the conversation.

    I realize that. We've all been targets. It's become a shooting match. I don't really care if this thread goes on... but I kinda doubt it will if it stays too personal.

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    brianlux said:

    Wow this thread... when the bullying posturing starts up it's time to shut this fucker down.

    Good grief and GOOD NIGHT!

    Brian... you've written as many inflammatory things as anyone in this thread.
    I will duly and sincerely apologize for anything thing I have said specifically to any individual here that can be characterized as a personal attack. Please, show me where.

    Other than than, I'll move on.

    Come on, man.

    Comments made to a specific person... perhaps not. Comments directed towards a specific mindset... definitely. The people with that mindset understood what you succinctly implied.

    You took a few shots. They weren't lost on anyone. It doesn't matter. This topic has been exhausted from my perspective. I think we all know where we all stand and fair enough... we don't have to agree. You are exceptional (even though you slip in fast food restaurants with your hippy sandals).

    I would say, for the record, that whenever I find myself in opposition to Hugh... I really examine what it is I'm saying and if I should be saying it. He's had me reverse course at least once and in my estimation, he's probably the most balanced individual on this forum. I don't always agree with him or think he's correct, but I respect where he's at and how he's come to where he's at more often than not. So... something to think about at the least.

    Hugh... don't puff your plume out too proudly. You have your moments too.
    yes, I absolutely have had my moments. I will readily admit that.

    Nobody said you wouldn't. There was a pretty significant compliment in there as well, Hugh.

    I seriously need to work on either my writing skills or my personality. Or, I need to not write anything after having red wine. There is obviously a major malfunction with this private.
    I appreciated that compliment, 30. I just don't take compliments well (fault of mine), so that's why I didn't really address it. But it's appreciated.

    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    edited March 2015
    Fail.
    Post edited by brianlux on
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    ok goodnight then

    https://youtu.be/p3SemYQH-8o
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    This is a bizarre thread.
    Kudos to all.
    Great seeing the passion.Isnt that what's so great about our little community?
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Thanks Hedo and rr. I would also like to hear what you guys think of the links when you get the time to hear them. Great to listen to while doing the dishes or cleaning up.
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Dig,While working away this evening I put on the podcast.I made it thru an hour.If there is more I will have to go back and listen.
    It was an interesting look behind the curtain.Although I'm not sure any new ground was covered,or at least new opinions formed.I did feel as though I took away a deeper understanding of the importance of "Community" policing.
    I thought some of the Ideas the Cheif implemented were very creative and common sense based.
    I did like the new perspective the cop who worked the graveyard shift had when he transferred to 2nd shift.Some new thinking could be gained from some stuff like that.
    Thank you for taking the time to post the link.

    I still believe regardless of race anyone who makes a threatening move toward an officer and or their weapon,will have to deal with the consequences.Regardless of the bigger picture of why that individual was interacting with the police in the first place.

  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Unrelated observation.I saw a heartwarming clip of a white officer in Louisville KY, come to the aid of a Black woman who was running in a marathon after loosing 225 lbs the year prior.
    The woman had a goal to run and finish this race.She was with her young son.She gave it a good go but her body started to quit on her in the the tail end.She was ready to quit when this white cop who she calls her Angel,saw her giving it her all but no way to finish ,so he dropped his stuff ran to her,put her arm around her and said he would help her finish.And they did.He held her up and encouraged her until the finish line.True class and that is the spirit of what's right.

    http://www.brobible.com/life/article/cop-helps-woman-cross-finish-line-marathon/

    Click on link just look at the picture.You See BSL it's not all broken and cops aren't the evil gastapo you imply.

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