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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    yeah, if you want a "warts and all" documentary on someone, it shouldn't be done by a friend. not challenging at all. But I still love it. It maddens me that they glossed over the drummer thing. that was one of the things I wanted to hear about. I mean, even if you can't stand Dave A, give props to the other guys at the very least. I think they deserved that much.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    PJ20 was just a really long advertisement for PJ (and MLB) I thought.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    I thought it had WAY too much MLB in it. not sure why they did that. 2 out of the 5 members were in that band. so what? yes, the death of the singer indirectly lead to the formation of PJ, but so what? maybe it was at Humble Ed's insistence (the "if it weren't for his misfortune, I'd have no fortune" thing).
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    Waaaaaaaay too much mlb in it. They should have put more footage from 95-98.
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  • jason_94
    jason_94 Toledo, OH Posts: 1,872
    edited February 2015
    wnh1977 said:

    Indifference71 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Empty Glass said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I think it's important to have all facts right in a documentary. It is a big deal to have a year wrong in this kind of movie. If i was in charge of the film I'd be pissed at whoever screwed that up and at the editors/fact checkers, and at myself.
    I'm surprised It took so long for someone here to point it out!

    I agree. There are numerous errors, the movie comes off as a rush job.
    Agreed. It plucks fans' heartstrings a bit I think, but it's actually a relatively terrible documentary.
    .... The soundtrack isn't even that good.
    Yep. While it was very enjoyable to watch, there was so much that they left out. Only taking 30 seconds to explain the drummers was such a cop-out. Besides Cobain's death and Roskilde, it didn't seem like they wanted to cover anything that would make them uncomfortable. Pretty much the opposite of what a documentary is supposed to accomplish.
    Agree with all of this. I agree that a documentary should include the good, the bad, and the ugly. One could argue that the drunken MTV performance was showing some of the bad, but I think it just says, "Oh look, they're saying 'fuck MTV'". How about at least a brief description of each album? How were things going at the time? What were the band dynamics? After the Roskilde thing, I felt like the rest of it was just celebratory with no real weight to it. There's good footage, but it definitely lacks depth.

    The errors should just not happen. I'm pretty sure there are date errors in the soundtrack booklet as well. Doesn't seem that difficult to get it right... hell, they should've had a couple fans that know this shit off the top of their heads look it over before completion.

    The drummer thing was lame... and a cop-out. Crowe just came off as such a fanboy that didn't want to challenge the band on anything.

    Wait a second. Are you saying that PJ20 should have included Clint Eastwood, Lee Van Cleef, & Eli Wallach? :)
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,459
    paulonious said:

    yeah, if you want a "warts and all" documentary on someone, it shouldn't be done by a friend. not challenging at all. But I still love it. It maddens me that they glossed over the drummer thing. that was one of the things I wanted to hear about. I mean, even if you can't stand Dave A, give props to the other guys at the very least. I think they deserved that much.

    How does anyone not stand Dave? What did he do wrong again?
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  • whofeelslikeadrank
    whofeelslikeadrank Posts: 2,702
    got a gun, fact he's got two?
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,459
    All any of us 'fans' know about Dave is what's been written or accounted for by the current band members. *Disclaimer* - He's the best drummer they've had!
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    2-feign-reluctance said:

    paulonious said:

    yeah, if you want a "warts and all" documentary on someone, it shouldn't be done by a friend. not challenging at all. But I still love it. It maddens me that they glossed over the drummer thing. that was one of the things I wanted to hear about. I mean, even if you can't stand Dave A, give props to the other guys at the very least. I think they deserved that much.

    How does anyone not stand Dave? What did he do wrong again?
    well, I can't say for sure. from everything that is in print (including PJ20 book), it seemed like Ed couldn't. But again, Ed never told me that himself. :)

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    2-feign-reluctance said:

    All any of us 'fans' know about Dave is what's been written or accounted for by the current band members. *Disclaimer* - He's the best drummer they've had!

    given their stance on awards (at the time), I'd bet that the AMA acceptance speeches he showed up for on behalf of the band maybe didn't sit well with them. who knows.

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  • iVEDDER
    iVEDDER Posts: 71
    paulonious said:

    yeah, if you want a "warts and all" documentary on someone, it shouldn't be done by a friend. not challenging at all. But I still love it. It maddens me that they glossed over the drummer thing. that was one of the things I wanted to hear about. I mean, even if you can't stand Dave A, give props to the other guys at the very least. I think they deserved that much.

    This.

    Plus, Dave A. was the best drummer but maybe he was aiming for something that Eddie was against - that Motley Crue drive.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    edited February 2015
    OOPS
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