Afghan Whigs - Black Love

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  • kdpjam
    kdpjam Posts: 2,303
    i'm ready for the new afghan whigs record! coming soon.....
    lay down all thoughts; surrender to the void
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  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    nutmeg81 wrote:
    they releasin an ep as far as i know!!

    tho ive never heard em or the afghan whigs.......tut tut!!

    where do i start with AW's?

    The ep is out, and it is excellent!! It's called A Stitch In Time.

    As for Afghan Whigs start with Black Love, then Gentlemen and 1965. But also, you should definitely pick up Powder Burns by the Twilight Singers - superb record.
  • darkgreen
    darkgreen Posts: 57
    black love... my favorite afghan cd... i've seen greg and the twilight singers live twice this year.. they played fountain & fairfax and if i were going - awesome! still can't believe how lucky i am!;-)
  • kdpjam
    kdpjam Posts: 2,303
    the last time i saw the twilight singers was in kentucky in november. they are awesome. does anyone know whats going on with the new whigs record that is supposed to happen? guess i will find out somehow.
    lay down all thoughts; surrender to the void
    ~it is shining it is shining~
  • elmer
    elmer Posts: 1,683
    mole1985 wrote:
    Greg Dulli and Mark Lanegan are recording an album together under the name 'Gutter Twins' it's going to be released early 2007 and if the new Twilight's EP is anything to go by it's gonna be good.
    with lanegan in tow its gotta be good
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    I'm in a Black Love mood - when that mood strikes, nothing else will do. I could talk about how amazing this album is forever...........
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    I was just listening to this album tonight. Stunning from start to finish. But especially at the start and finish - Crime Scene and Faded. Wow.:)
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  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    I was just listening to this album tonight. Stunning from start to finish. But especially at the start and finish - Crime Scene and Faded. Wow.:)

    Yeah I love the way the album kind of comes full circle. Crime Scene Pt. 1 is such an incredible way to start a record, so much atmosphere and melancholy, then it just bursts into life with that soaring chorus. I would kill to hear that song live.
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    facepollution wrote:
    Yeah I love the way the album kind of comes full circle. Crime Scene Pt. 1 is such an incredible way to start a record, so much atmosphere and melancholy, then it just bursts into life with that soaring chorus. I would kill to hear that song live.

    Crime Scene is definitely one of those openers that will draw you back to the album again and again. I'll put on the record just to hear that one song, and then listen the whole way through twice over.

    It's also weird how Dulli never really gets credited with making a good amount of concept albums through the years. Gentlemen was the mother of all breakup records, Black Love was like a revenge movie in music, and Blackberry Belle was the story of a man's descent into suicide. And then Green Day get all the credit for an album about how Bush sucks.:confused:
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,693
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Crime Scene is definitely one of those openers that will draw you back to the album again and again. I'll put on the record just to hear that one song, and then listen the whole way through twice over.

    It's also weird how Dulli never really gets credited with making a good amount of concept albums through the years. Gentlemen was the mother of all breakup records, Black Love was like a revenge movie in music, and Blackberry Belle was the story of a man's descent into suicide. And then Green Day get all the credit for an album about how Bush sucks.:confused:

    I never picked up on that with Blackberry Belle. Any links to discussions on this or will it be obvious once I listen to it with that knowledge?

    Aside from "Black out the windows, it's party time" I guess...
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    pjl44 wrote:
    I never picked up on that with Blackberry Belle. Any links to discussions on this or will it be obvious once I listen to it with that knowledge?

    Aside from "Black out the windows, it's party time" I guess...

    I think I read something about it on summerskiss, but I don't remember exactly where. I know it was based on Jack London's novel, Martin Eden, which is about a writer committing suicide. I seem to recall Martin Eden (the song) documenting the protagonist killing himself, and Esta Noche through Blackberry Belle being his journey towards it. Blackberry Belle is about the women/demons who drove him to it.

    I wish I could remember where I read it, but it's not hard to believe, considering what had happened with Ted Demme before Dulli recorded it.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,693
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    I think I read something about it on summerskiss, but I don't remember exactly where. I know it was based on Jack London's novel, Martin Eden, which is about a writer committing suicide. I seem to recall Martin Eden (the song) documenting the protagonist killing himself, and Esta Noche through Blackberry Belle being his journey towards it. Blackberry Belle is about the women/demons who drove him to it.

    I wish I could remember where I read it, but it's not hard to believe, considering what had happened with Ted Demme before Dulli recorded it.

    Interesting. And this is from Ted Demme's IMDB page:

    Musician Greg Dulli who appears with his band The Afghan Whigs in Demme's film, Beautiful Girls, was so distraught when he heard of his death that he scrapped a nearly completed album for his band, The Twilight Singers, and wrote an entirely new set of songs.
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    pjl44 wrote:
    Interesting. And this is from Ted Demme's IMDB page:

    Musician Greg Dulli who appears with his band The Afghan Whigs in Demme's film, Beautiful Girls, was so distraught when he heard of his death that he scrapped a nearly completed album for his band, The Twilight Singers, and wrote an entirely new set of songs.

    I had heard something similar, except instead of being a Twilight Singers record, it was a soundtrack for a Ted Demme film, most of which ended up being on Amber Headlights. Which, in turn, has some songs which clearly turned into Blackberry Belle songs.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,693
    While I was searching around, the Twilight Singers' site mentioned that Dulli had a role on Rescue Me (Denis Leary's show). Is this true? I didn't see him listed on IMDB.
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Found the article: http://www.eventguide.ie/articles.elive?session_id=12043075360&sku=040120003631

    The first word of the last song on the album, Number Nine, is the word Devil, and the song also contains the line "Blackberry Belle of The Ball". How are those two ideas related? Should listeners be trying to follow specific threads of ideas through the sequence of songs?

    'Blackberry Belle of the Ball' is the Devil, and of course there are threads. Any album that begins with a suicide should give people some indication as to where this is going. The rest of the album is a flashback, until you get to Number Nine, where you find what led the gentleman to his suicide. It is conceptual in my way, though interpreting a record for others I would never do. I can only give guide-posts. The fact that someone can be so sad as to kill themselves became very immediate for me when my friend Elliott Smith killed himself. He was a customer in my bar, and we used to lock ourselves in after closing time and listen to The Beatles, The Hollies and The Zombies. We would talk for hours. I miss him desperately.
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  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    It's also weird how Dulli never really gets credited with making a good amount of concept albums through the years. Gentlemen was the mother of all breakup records, Black Love was like a revenge movie in music, and Blackberry Belle was the story of a man's descent into suicide. And then Green Day get all the credit for an album about how Bush sucks.:confused:

    well I guess his music demands a bit more time, it's not as instant as a band like Green Day. I must say though, I don't think American Idiot is solely about Bush - I think it's far more a general social commentary. But I agree that Dulli deserves more credit. He is an absolute master at putting songs together that really fit like pieces of a puzzle.
  • smarchee
    smarchee Windsor, Ontario Posts: 14,539
    oh fuck yeah I love this album, and now I can crank it on vinyl, it sounds even better than that old compact disc :)
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  • smarchee
    smarchee Windsor, Ontario Posts: 14,539
    edited February 2015
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzaG-Pn9kPU
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  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    smarchee said:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzaG-Pn9kPU

    AMAZING! That had the hairs on the back of my neck standing up! Thanks for posting :)
  • smarchee
    smarchee Windsor, Ontario Posts: 14,539
    IKR, what an awesome performance of that tune

    Was giving Black Love some love last night, definitely a great under appreciated 90s albums, glad to find a thread entirely devoted to it
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