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Mawky1103
Mawky1103 Posts: 311
in The Porch
I don't know if I'm wrong, or crazy, or this has been mentioned before...but at about the 1 hour and 3 minute mark they are playing last exit and the date is February 24, 1994. Jack Irons is drumming. Shouldn't it be 1995?? They didn't your Asia in 1994 either.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SoA47lf630A
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    edited February 2015
    Not sure about the Asia tour, but Jack joined them later in 1994 I thought. So February doesn't make sense unless he filled in or something.... ?
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • Jammalambo
    Jammalambo Posts: 1,321
    It's just an error: not 1994, but 1995.
  • Mawky1103
    Mawky1103 Posts: 311
    not a big deal at all, movie is amazing....just thought someone would have pointed that out before it was released!
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    edited February 2015
    I think it's important to have all facts right in a documentary. It is a big deal to have a year wrong in this kind of movie. If i was in charge of the film I'd be pissed at whoever screwed that up and at the editors/fact checkers, and at myself.
    I'm surprised It took so long for someone here to point it out!
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  • FrankY59
    FrankY59 Posts: 1,052
    They also said Apr 8 the day Cobain died but that's just the day his body was found.
  • Mawky1103
    Mawky1103 Posts: 311
    haha. I tweeted him about it. No response. It's definitely wrong, but whatever. Just a minor error.
  • Empty Glass
    Empty Glass In Rob's shed Posts: 12,329
    PJ_Soul said:

    I think it's important to have all facts right in a documentary. It is a big deal to have a year wrong in this kind of movie. If i was in charge of the film I'd be pissed at whoever screwed that up and at the editors/fact checkers, and at myself.
    I'm surprised It took so long for someone here to point it out!

    I agree. There are numerous errors, the movie comes off as a rush job.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    edited February 2015
    Empty Glass said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I think it's important to have all facts right in a documentary. It is a big deal to have a year wrong in this kind of movie. If i was in charge of the film I'd be pissed at whoever screwed that up and at the editors/fact checkers, and at myself.
    I'm surprised It took so long for someone here to point it out!

    I agree. There are numerous errors, the movie comes off as a rush job.
    Agreed. It plucks fans' heartstrings a bit I think, but it's actually a relatively terrible documentary.
    .... The soundtrack isn't even that good.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • cropdustdair
    cropdustdair Lakewood, CO / Earth Posts: 2,006
    edited February 2015
    I don't know if I'm wrong, or crazy, or this has been mentioned before...but about the 5th line down in the original post. Mawky1103 is the poster. Shouldn't it be "tour"?? They didn't "your" Asia in 1994 either.
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    Good stuff cropdustair!!!!! Lol
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Mawky1103
    Mawky1103 Posts: 311
    haha! good catch. My mistake. At least I own up to them.
  • FoxyRedLa
    FoxyRedLa Lauren / MI Posts: 4,810
    Mawky1103 said:

    haha. I tweeted him about it. No response. It's definitely wrong, but whatever. Just a minor error.

    Wow no more "null"!! Wahoo! So anyway, any response Mawky???
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  • Mawky1103
    Mawky1103 Posts: 311
    nada yet, perhaps i'll tweet him again. Funny thing is..he has responded to me before. I was in Seattle 2 years ago visiting a friend and I asked him where we could buy Singles in town so we could watch it. He told me where I could buy it in the city.
  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,887
    FrankY59 said:

    They also said Apr 8 the day Cobain died but that's just the day his body was found.

    True, but that one's always been mixed up. The generally said his body has found on the 8th but had been there for a few days. No one really ever got the date right at first. Radio stations would kind of meander around the 4th and 5th,6th etc.... It took a while to settle on the 5th (or at least for mainstream media to finally figure it out). People get it wrong all the time. It probably was cemented right until Layne Stayley passed away. The cooicidence of it being the same day generally got people on the same page.
  • Malroth
    Malroth broken down chevrolet Posts: 2,556
    I liked the documentaries hated(gg allin) and another state of mind(social d) alot better.
    The worst of times..they don't phase me,
    even if I look and act really crazy.
  • lolobugg
    lolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNS Posts: 8,195
    PJ20 was disappointing as a documentary.
    I enjoyed the concert footage much more.

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    1995- New Orleans, LA  : New Orleans, LA

    1996- Charleston, SC

    1998- Atlanta, GA: Birmingham, AL: Greenville, SC: Knoxville, TN

    2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN

    2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA

    2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)

    2006- Cincinnati, OH

    2008- Columbia, SC

    2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2

    2010- Bristow, VA

    2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL

    2012- Atlanta, GA

    2013- Charlotte, NC

    2014- Cincinnati, OH

    2015- New York, NY

    2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA

    2017- ED VED- Louisville, KY

    2018- Chicago, IL x2, Boston, MA x2

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    2022- Smashville 

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  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,906
    PJ_Soul said:

    Empty Glass said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I think it's important to have all facts right in a documentary. It is a big deal to have a year wrong in this kind of movie. If i was in charge of the film I'd be pissed at whoever screwed that up and at the editors/fact checkers, and at myself.
    I'm surprised It took so long for someone here to point it out!

    I agree. There are numerous errors, the movie comes off as a rush job.
    Agreed. It plucks fans' heartstrings a bit I think, but it's actually a relatively terrible documentary.
    .... The soundtrack isn't even that good.
    Yep. While it was very enjoyable to watch, there was so much that they left out. Only taking 30 seconds to explain the drummers was such a cop-out. Besides Cobain's death and Roskilde, it didn't seem like they wanted to cover anything that would make them uncomfortable. Pretty much the opposite of what a documentary is supposed to accomplish.
  • wnh1977
    wnh1977 Iowa Posts: 650
    Indifference71 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Empty Glass said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I think it's important to have all facts right in a documentary. It is a big deal to have a year wrong in this kind of movie. If i was in charge of the film I'd be pissed at whoever screwed that up and at the editors/fact checkers, and at myself.
    I'm surprised It took so long for someone here to point it out!

    I agree. There are numerous errors, the movie comes off as a rush job.
    Agreed. It plucks fans' heartstrings a bit I think, but it's actually a relatively terrible documentary.
    .... The soundtrack isn't even that good.
    Yep. While it was very enjoyable to watch, there was so much that they left out. Only taking 30 seconds to explain the drummers was such a cop-out. Besides Cobain's death and Roskilde, it didn't seem like they wanted to cover anything that would make them uncomfortable. Pretty much the opposite of what a documentary is supposed to accomplish.
    Agree with all of this. I agree that a documentary should include the good, the bad, and the ugly. One could argue that the drunken MTV performance was showing some of the bad, but I think it just says, "Oh look, they're saying 'fuck MTV'". How about at least a brief description of each album? How were things going at the time? What were the band dynamics? After the Roskilde thing, I felt like the rest of it was just celebratory with no real weight to it. There's good footage, but it definitely lacks depth.

    The errors should just not happen. I'm pretty sure there are date errors in the soundtrack booklet as well. Doesn't seem that difficult to get it right... hell, they should've had a couple fans that know this shit off the top of their heads look it over before completion.

    The drummer thing was lame... and a cop-out. Crowe just came off as such a fanboy that didn't want to challenge the band on anything.
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    2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
    2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
    2005: 9/9, 9/28
    2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
    2007: 8/5
    2009: 8/23, 8/24
    2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
    2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
    2013: 7/19, 11/16
    2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
    2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
    2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
    2022: 9/18
    2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
    2024: 5/18, 6/29
  • pj8
    pj8 Posts: 408
    I may be wrong but I also seem to remember them listing a 2000 performance of Nothing As It Seems as a 2001 performance.
  • mrk2
    mrk2 Finland Posts: 2,091
    NAIS is from 10/22/2001 Groundworks Benefit at Key Arena in Seattle. So it is correctly listed.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,445
    yeah, if you want a "warts and all" documentary on someone, it shouldn't be done by a friend. not challenging at all. But I still love it. It maddens me that they glossed over the drummer thing. that was one of the things I wanted to hear about. I mean, even if you can't stand Dave A, give props to the other guys at the very least. I think they deserved that much.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    PJ20 was just a really long advertisement for PJ (and MLB) I thought.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,445
    I thought it had WAY too much MLB in it. not sure why they did that. 2 out of the 5 members were in that band. so what? yes, the death of the singer indirectly lead to the formation of PJ, but so what? maybe it was at Humble Ed's insistence (the "if it weren't for his misfortune, I'd have no fortune" thing).
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    Waaaaaaaay too much mlb in it. They should have put more footage from 95-98.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • jason_94
    jason_94 Toledo, OH Posts: 1,872
    edited February 2015
    wnh1977 said:

    Indifference71 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Empty Glass said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I think it's important to have all facts right in a documentary. It is a big deal to have a year wrong in this kind of movie. If i was in charge of the film I'd be pissed at whoever screwed that up and at the editors/fact checkers, and at myself.
    I'm surprised It took so long for someone here to point it out!

    I agree. There are numerous errors, the movie comes off as a rush job.
    Agreed. It plucks fans' heartstrings a bit I think, but it's actually a relatively terrible documentary.
    .... The soundtrack isn't even that good.
    Yep. While it was very enjoyable to watch, there was so much that they left out. Only taking 30 seconds to explain the drummers was such a cop-out. Besides Cobain's death and Roskilde, it didn't seem like they wanted to cover anything that would make them uncomfortable. Pretty much the opposite of what a documentary is supposed to accomplish.
    Agree with all of this. I agree that a documentary should include the good, the bad, and the ugly. One could argue that the drunken MTV performance was showing some of the bad, but I think it just says, "Oh look, they're saying 'fuck MTV'". How about at least a brief description of each album? How were things going at the time? What were the band dynamics? After the Roskilde thing, I felt like the rest of it was just celebratory with no real weight to it. There's good footage, but it definitely lacks depth.

    The errors should just not happen. I'm pretty sure there are date errors in the soundtrack booklet as well. Doesn't seem that difficult to get it right... hell, they should've had a couple fans that know this shit off the top of their heads look it over before completion.

    The drummer thing was lame... and a cop-out. Crowe just came off as such a fanboy that didn't want to challenge the band on anything.

    Wait a second. Are you saying that PJ20 should have included Clint Eastwood, Lee Van Cleef, & Eli Wallach? :)
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,459
    paulonious said:

    yeah, if you want a "warts and all" documentary on someone, it shouldn't be done by a friend. not challenging at all. But I still love it. It maddens me that they glossed over the drummer thing. that was one of the things I wanted to hear about. I mean, even if you can't stand Dave A, give props to the other guys at the very least. I think they deserved that much.

    How does anyone not stand Dave? What did he do wrong again?
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  • whofeelslikeadrank
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    got a gun, fact he's got two?
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,459
    All any of us 'fans' know about Dave is what's been written or accounted for by the current band members. *Disclaimer* - He's the best drummer they've had!
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,445
    2-feign-reluctance said:

    paulonious said:

    yeah, if you want a "warts and all" documentary on someone, it shouldn't be done by a friend. not challenging at all. But I still love it. It maddens me that they glossed over the drummer thing. that was one of the things I wanted to hear about. I mean, even if you can't stand Dave A, give props to the other guys at the very least. I think they deserved that much.

    How does anyone not stand Dave? What did he do wrong again?
    well, I can't say for sure. from everything that is in print (including PJ20 book), it seemed like Ed couldn't. But again, Ed never told me that himself. :)

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,445
    2-feign-reluctance said:

    All any of us 'fans' know about Dave is what's been written or accounted for by the current band members. *Disclaimer* - He's the best drummer they've had!

    given their stance on awards (at the time), I'd bet that the AMA acceptance speeches he showed up for on behalf of the band maybe didn't sit well with them. who knows.

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