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FoxyRedLa wrote: »

derbydave wrote: »

FoxyRedLa wrote: »

deadendp wrote: »

Okay, here is my bit on why I'm not a huge fan. I'm not a yeah, yeah, yeah fan. That knocks two songs out. The flow (from a non-musician's opinion) is a little weird to me. Ed's singing style on some of the songs seem to elongate, round and drag notes out in a HUGE way, which isn't quite my thing, either. It's just more pronounced here. For me, it is like they were humming along, going at a decent rate of speed and tromped on the brake with both feet. (Currently, Speed of Sound is playing which is SO SLOW.)

What makes Oceans different? Um, it's "a little love song I wrote about my surfboard." ;-) For the record, I love Oceans, especially the Redux version that takes the additional crap out of the song. The musical flow was different and Ed wasn't trying to stretch words.

I guess that I feel the same about Black. It's an emotional thing and not forced. It is what it is. A bit overplayed, but great nonetheless.

Release is Release. It's a tear and sway inducing thing. Sorry. Can't give you a better explanation. Long Road is very similar.

I don't pass songs up if they are "sappy." I don't mind them. Footsteps. It's a stripped down thing. Tell me that you haven't belted it out while driving? (Gotta watch that at stop lights.) Hello you sexy song you. :-D

Do I listen to all of these songs on boots when they come up to play? Yup. Live is a different thing for me. But, I will admit that I'm a VERY first impression kind of girl. Backspacer didn't wow me from the first listen and I tend to just divorce songs that don't wow from the first time I play them. (I'm trying to get out of that habit.)

My quarter's worth and all. Now to go make my kiddo some waffles.

I get what you're putting down about Ed's singing voice - he appears to change it up each album which I do enjoy. Thanks for posting helps me open my mind - I do understand why some may not like Future Days vs Release (just simply picking a fan fav) - I just didn't understand the "sappy love song" comments - just in my opinion Ed's position has never changed he's always been "stripped down" and honest and sappy, even in the songs he doesn't write - Chloe/Crown.

I'm thankful you gave it another listen - just for me!

No way in hell...
will I listen to BIG WAVE again!!!

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Lmao! I was trying to make you a Big Wave Dave nickname lol lol lol but everything I tried just sounded dirty :-))

If the SHOE fits....
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Abe Froman wrote: »

I like Backspacer. It's at the bottom for me but mostly just because all the other records are so fucking good!

Pretty much this! I don't mind Backspacer, but when put against the other studio albums, it just doesn't measure up. I think staying power has a lot to do with it, too. I still find myself wanting to listen to Lightning Bolt and most other albums cover to cover, but haven't sat down and listening to Backspacer front to back in a very long time.

Leezestarr313 wrote: »

And oh my! I'm so on board with derbydave on Big Wave!

It does that yeah, yeah, yeah thing. I'm with the two of you, though I won't quite go as far as Dave did and actually ditch it from iTunes altogether. Although, I do have to say that I'm probably one of the few on here that actually likes the self-titled.

I love Self-titled! Yes, Big Wave is the one song on it that doesn't do it for me, but otherwise, I am in love with it. And maybe its time has come. I've discovered that friends who come over and aren't PJ fans (don't know anything after Vitalogy) really respond positively to this album in particular.

Leezestarr313 wrote: »

deadendp wrote: »

Leezestarr313 wrote: »

I love the self-titled too! Just not this one song. I don't even know why, I just don't like it. and I actually love the Yeah Yeah Yeah in The fixer (and that even though I know the Fixer story!!!)

See now, I've been begging for The Fixer Story and I've gotten a hot lot of nothing. Girl, I'll keep bumping the Benny thread, just let me know the flippin' Fixer story! (Please.) I'll even sing the yeah, yeah, yeah for you, if required. \:D/ :yeah, yeah, yeah:

I am very sorry, but the Fixer story needs to be told in person, and only by Afro or KW. The day will come!!

And maybe BS is appreciated by peoplewho are not that much into PJ because it is a little more mainstream and easily accessible. And the easy access might be exactly why I am not loving it as much as the others. Nothing really comes unexpected. Or so

From what I hear...
It's worth the wait to hear from AA & KW!!
I'm STILL waiting too ~X(

I like BS, but I think most of the issues with that album are that it is just a rock album, no great PJ depth so to speak...that being said I have fun listening to it, there are no great standouts but it's a fun record. It does however live in the bottom three with Self Titled(my least favorite album of PJs) and No Code for me.

FoxyRedLa wrote: »

I read comments that some fans omit Backspacer.....why?? Is it the length of the songs? The lyrics? The music? Solos? It's been mentioned in another thread that the band now tries to write really simple songs - does this play a factor?

I also read comments about sappy love songs - The End, Sleeping By Myself, and Just Breath. What makes these particular songs any different from Oceans, Release, Long Road, and Black??? The lyrics? How are songs like Gone, Smile, Let Me Sleep, and Footsteps not sappy??

I'm not trying to cause a big wave here just curious why some songs are passed up..... First impression? Live experience? Hype?

I think a big reason for it is the fans "taste" vs. the bands "growth". A fan becomes a fan due to the feelings they have for the music and that is why most people refer to the music as "there's". When a band continually releases albums that rekindle that spark in a fan, by producing the same sound and message; it fortifies the feelings associated to the music. Fans love this because it remains constant and they can count on it. Where the fan starts losing there interest is when the band "grows". EV of thirty years ago is not the same man of today; neither are the rest of the players. They have left their youth on the streets of Seattle, found love, married, travelled the world, became parents, activism, pilanthrapy, etc. They have grown into, I would say very different people; yet they know and respect where they come from. Ev isn't about to write songs like Deep, in my tree and others like them because he doesn't fight to survive on the streets any longer. Now, I believe, his feelings are more reflected in tunes like gone (for the state of america) lightning bolt ( his marriage) and future days (his childeren) because these thing make up his "all encompassing trip" now. Where the continuity is found, is in the music. That said, there is a hell of a lot of growth in that respect. These guys are real masters now. They can produce any kind of rock sound done and they have very distictive riffs and assemblies that, well they have me blown away and hooked for life.
When lightning bolt was being released, I literally prepared myself to not judge on past performance, these are different men now. I remember feeling like I wanted to toss Riot Act out of the player when I first heard it. Now some of my favs are found there...who am I kidding, I love all of it....well maybe I could do without "mankind".....Stone WTF!

In joyous part