2024 CHICAGO BEARS
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I give 50% of the blame to the defense, 30%.to poor coaching, 20% to Cutler, 10% to special teams.
How many 2nd or 3rd and less.than 4 did we drop back and pass? A lot. Most of that is piss poor play calling. I'm sure Cutler audibled out of some run to passes, but I'd say most of it was poor, poor play calling. Forte should have been used like demarco Murray this year. He'd have 13 - 15 carries in the first half and have 4 the rest of the game. Sickening.0 -
The more I think about this, the more fucked up this is. The way Trestman holds people accountable is quite interesting. Cutler gets benched (probably deserved based on poor play) yet he doesn't fire Aaron Kromer who ran his mouth to the media anonymously like a little bitch. Trestman really doesn't have a clue. Can't wait until this whole coaching staff is gone.0
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what a joke and a nightmare- the laughing stock of the nfl. it's fun-bad at this point.0
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It's the start of the Jimmy Claussen era!If I had known then what I know now...
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Indifference71 wrote: »The more I think about this, the more fucked up this is. The way Trestman holds people accountable is quite interesting. Cutler gets benched (probably deserved based on poor play) yet he doesn't fire Aaron Kromer who ran his mouth to the media anonymously like a little bitch. Trestman really doesn't have a clue. Can't wait until this whole coaching staff is gone.
That was exactly my point in a prev post. The ONLY move, adjustment in anything he has done all year is bench the QB in meaningless games.
Kromer is fine, Tucker is fine, all other players and staff....fine.
He's worthless and desperately trying to hold onto his NFL career in hoping Clausen plays well.0 -
Last-12-Exit wrote: »I give 50% of the blame to the defense, 30%.to poor coaching, 20% to Cutler, 10% to special teams.
How many 2nd or 3rd and less.than 4 did we drop back and pass? A lot. Most of that is piss poor play calling. I'm sure Cutler audibled out of some run to passes, but I'd say most of it was poor, poor play calling. Forte should have been used like demarco Murray this year. He'd have 13 - 15 carries in the first half and have 4 the rest of the game. Sickening.
The problem is that the defense was that bad because of the poor coaching. While they had some injuries this year, the team brought in veterans who should have made the D better. Tucker and Trestman were so confident in their system that they felt adding a couple guys would make the difference. You can bring in JJ Watt and Richard Sherman and the D will still suck. It's the system that failed.0 -
Last-12-Exit wrote: »I give 50% of the blame to the defense, 30%.to poor coaching, 20% to Cutler, 10% to special teams.
How many 2nd or 3rd and less.than 4 did we drop back and pass? A lot. Most of that is piss poor play calling. I'm sure Cutler audibled out of some run to passes, but I'd say most of it was poor, poor play calling. Forte should have been used like demarco Murray this year. He'd have 13 - 15 carries in the first half and have 4 the rest of the game. Sickening.
The problem is that the defense was that bad because of the poor coaching. While they had some injuries this year, the team brought in veterans who should have made the D better. Tucker and Trestman were so confident in their system that they felt adding a couple guys would make the difference. You can bring in JJ Watt and Richard Sherman and the D will still suck. It's the system that failed.
The coaching is bad, but the players aren't much better. How many times this year did we see a safety just let a WR run right past him for a TD? That's not a system...that's a mental mistake. And we saw those repeatedly this season. Not defending the coaching one bit, but the talent level on defense is very, very bad. Sure, they added Jared Allen but that was about it and he has been mostly a bust.
The biggest issue with the Bears IMO is that they rarely develop young players that they draft or sign as UFAs. The # of homegrown players on their roster is one of the lowest in the league. You're going to have a very hard time being successful in the NFL if you can't develop players.0 -
Indifference71 wrote: »The more I think about this, the more fucked up this is. The way Trestman holds people accountable is quite interesting. Cutler gets benched (probably deserved based on poor play) yet he doesn't fire Aaron Kromer who ran his mouth to the media anonymously like a little bitch. Trestman really doesn't have a clue. Can't wait until this whole coaching staff is gone.
That was exactly my point in a prev post. The ONLY move, adjustment in anything he has done all year is bench the QB in meaningless games.
Kromer is fine, Tucker is fine, all other players and staff....fine.
He's worthless and desperately trying to hold onto his NFL career in hoping Clausen plays well.
Yep. I don't disagree with the move, but the fact that this is the only significant move he has made during this disaster of a season is crazy. Just read an article that the locker room is not happy about Cutler getting benched, but Kromer had no consequences for the nonsense that he pulled.0 -
Should have kept Caleb Hanie and booted Quitler when we had the chance. GM must be held accountable for the contract he gave to our "Franchise QB!""Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." Mark Twain0
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Indifference71 wrote: »Last-12-Exit wrote: »I give 50% of the blame to the defense, 30%.to poor coaching, 20% to Cutler, 10% to special teams.
How many 2nd or 3rd and less.than 4 did we drop back and pass? A lot. Most of that is piss poor play calling. I'm sure Cutler audibled out of some run to passes, but I'd say most of it was poor, poor play calling. Forte should have been used like demarco Murray this year. He'd have 13 - 15 carries in the first half and have 4 the rest of the game. Sickening.
The problem is that the defense was that bad because of the poor coaching. While they had some injuries this year, the team brought in veterans who should have made the D better. Tucker and Trestman were so confident in their system that they felt adding a couple guys would make the difference. You can bring in JJ Watt and Richard Sherman and the D will still suck. It's the system that failed.
The coaching is bad, but the players aren't much better. How many times this year did we see a safety just let a WR run right past him for a TD? That's not a system...that's a mental mistake. And we saw those repeatedly this season. Not defending the coaching one bit, but the talent level on defense is very, very bad. Sure, they added Jared Allen but that was about it and he has been mostly a bust.
The biggest issue with the Bears IMO is that they rarely develop young players that they draft or sign as UFAs. The # of homegrown players on their roster is one of the lowest in the league. You're going to have a very hard time being successful in the NFL if you can't develop players.
I agree the players on the Bears D are quite bad. That said, their scheme never changed. They played a slightly modified cover 2 zone on 90% of their plays. In the redzone they played more man coverage and they were actually pretty good in their own redzone. Heck, even one of the announcers during one of the last games made that comment, "when the Bears play man, they have far more success." Any team can pick apart a cover 2 zone if it's not played perfectly. They never disguised coverages, and they got no help from the LBs. Yeah, you need the talent to make it work, but you also need the coaching to make it successful.
The Lovie Smith Bears were able to pull it off because they had the talent and they had a coach who knew how to run that system.
I think Fuller is a talented kid who will have success in the league as long as he stays healthy. All year it pained me to see him lined up on a #1 WR only to drop him to a safety after 5-10 yards. When playing man, he read routes well (for a rookie anyways) and he played tight.
You're right, not sure why or how safeties got beat so much this year. The cover2 zone is to assure nobody gets behind you. Like Conte in last years game against the Packers. How on earth he would drop his coverage to Nelson is still mind boggling. You're a fn safety....you're it. You never drop your coverage...you get handed off players! Ugh!
Anyways, I just think they did nothing to adjust for some bad players.
Also, while I'm rambling...in preseason and OTAs this year, I found it amusing that they spent so much time and effort working on hand drills with the martial arts guy. It was supposed to allow the linemen to have more control and get past the Oline faster. How about you fn teach them some actual football!!!!!! Ugh!0 -
Indifference71 wrote: »Indifference71 wrote: »The more I think about this, the more fucked up this is. The way Trestman holds people accountable is quite interesting. Cutler gets benched (probably deserved based on poor play) yet he doesn't fire Aaron Kromer who ran his mouth to the media anonymously like a little bitch. Trestman really doesn't have a clue. Can't wait until this whole coaching staff is gone.
That was exactly my point in a prev post. The ONLY move, adjustment in anything he has done all year is bench the QB in meaningless games.
Kromer is fine, Tucker is fine, all other players and staff....fine.
He's worthless and desperately trying to hold onto his NFL career in hoping Clausen plays well.
Yep. I don't disagree with the move, but the fact that this is the only significant move he has made during this disaster of a season is crazy. Just read an article that the locker room is not happy about Cutler getting benched, but Kromer had no consequences for the nonsense that he pulled.
I think they all realize why he was benched and now the locker room is more bitter than even before. Can you imagine Trestman gathering the troops before this weeks game and saying something like "There is no "I" in TEAM" bahahahahahahaha!
It's like an employee who knows he's going to be fired, and instead of finishing his job to his best ability, he instead decides to burn the place down.0 -
Indifference71 wrote: »Last-12-Exit wrote: »I give 50% of the blame to the defense, 30%.to poor coaching, 20% to Cutler, 10% to special teams.
How many 2nd or 3rd and less.than 4 did we drop back and pass? A lot. Most of that is piss poor play calling. I'm sure Cutler audibled out of some run to passes, but I'd say most of it was poor, poor play calling. Forte should have been used like demarco Murray this year. He'd have 13 - 15 carries in the first half and have 4 the rest of the game. Sickening.
The problem is that the defense was that bad because of the poor coaching. While they had some injuries this year, the team brought in veterans who should have made the D better. Tucker and Trestman were so confident in their system that they felt adding a couple guys would make the difference. You can bring in JJ Watt and Richard Sherman and the D will still suck. It's the system that failed.
The coaching is bad, but the players aren't much better. How many times this year did we see a safety just let a WR run right past him for a TD? That's not a system...that's a mental mistake. And we saw those repeatedly this season. Not defending the coaching one bit, but the talent level on defense is very, very bad. Sure, they added Jared Allen but that was about it and he has been mostly a bust.
The biggest issue with the Bears IMO is that they rarely develop young players that they draft or sign as UFAs. The # of homegrown players on their roster is one of the lowest in the league. You're going to have a very hard time being successful in the NFL if you can't develop players.
I agree the players on the Bears D are quite bad. That said, their scheme never changed. They played a slightly modified cover 2 zone on 90% of their plays. In the redzone they played more man coverage and they were actually pretty good in their own redzone. Heck, even one of the announcers during one of the last games made that comment, "when the Bears play man, they have far more success." Any team can pick apart a cover 2 zone if it's not played perfectly. They never disguised coverages, and they got no help from the LBs. Yeah, you need the talent to make it work, but you also need the coaching to make it successful.
The Lovie Smith Bears were able to pull it off because they had the talent and they had a coach who knew how to run that system.
I think Fuller is a talented kid who will have success in the league as long as he stays healthy. All year it pained me to see him lined up on a #1 WR only to drop him to a safety after 5-10 yards. When playing man, he read routes well (for a rookie anyways) and he played tight.
You're right, not sure why or how safeties got beat so much this year. The cover2 zone is to assure nobody gets behind you. Like Conte in last years game against the Packers. How on earth he would drop his coverage to Nelson is still mind boggling. You're a fn safety....you're it. You never drop your coverage...you get handed off players! Ugh!
Anyways, I just think they did nothing to adjust for some bad players.
Also, while I'm rambling...in preseason and OTAs this year, I found it amusing that they spent so much time and effort working on hand drills with the martial arts guy. It was supposed to allow the linemen to have more control and get past the Oline faster. How about you fn teach them some actual football!!!!!! Ugh!
Yeah, the scheme just didn't work with these players. They kept the same fucking defense that Lovie ran for 9 years! A new coaching staff that kept the defense the same....that's mind boggling. But I do see what you're saying....no adjustments made at all over the course of the season. Same shit over and over. I cringe every time I see a Bears DB playing 8-9 yards off the WR. Ugh.
I just really hope they do what's right and clean house with everyone...Emery included. Get rid of Ted Phillips too...the guy is a fucking accountant. He's not a football guy, yet he's the one who hires the GM. They had to bring in a search firm when they hired Emery....that should tell you a lot about the abilities of the people in charge of this organization. Fuck!!0 -
It makes no sense to bench Cutler now. It's not going to save his job. I refuse to listen to anyone that says Jimmy clausen gives the Bears the best chance to win. It makes no sense. You might as well let your punter play running back.0
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Last-12-Exit wrote: »It makes no sense to bench Cutler now. It's not going to save his job. I refuse to listen to anyone that says Jimmy clausen gives the Bears the best chance to win. It makes no sense. You might as well let your punter play running back.
It probably won't save his job, but I think he realizes he doesn't have too many options left. His ass is on the line and he's hoping for a Clausen Christmas miracle! haha0 -
Last-12-Exit wrote: »It makes no sense to bench Cutler now. It's not going to save his job. I refuse to listen to anyone that says Jimmy clausen gives the Bears the best chance to win. It makes no sense. You might as well let your punter play running back.
This isn't about winning. Like mca said above, this is Trestman trying to save his ass. He wants to prove that his system works and that Jay is the problem, not him. I don't think it's going to make a difference, but I can kinda see why Trestman would do this. But then again at the same time, he doesn't do a thing to Kromer for his bullshit, yet Cutler gets benched....not very consistent and that's why the players have zero respect left for this coaching staff.0 -
Prediction:
No matter the score against the Lions, the Bears will run the ball more than they have all year.
What you'll see is a more balanced approach to the offense. All year long, Trestman said "we've got to run the ball more..." and what happened, they completely abandoned the run.
Trestman cannot afford to have Clausen look bad, so he'll pound the ball and when they do throw it, you're gonna see some open opportunities.
They'll lose, and probably by a lot....but what people will be talking about in Chicago is how "effective and efficient" the offense was under Clausen despite changing the entire game plan.
In the post game press conference, Trestman will talk about how good practices have been all week and how hard the offense and Clausen worked to be ready for the game.
Clausen's jersey won't even get dirty, and Trestman is going to make sure that happens.
Mark my words.
Lions 37
Bears 28
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Last-12-Exit wrote: »It makes no sense to bench Cutler now. It's not going to save his job. I refuse to listen to anyone that says Jimmy clausen gives the Bears the best chance to win. It makes no sense. You might as well let your punter play running back.
I figure they need to keep cutler healthy to entertain trade offers.
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Prediction:
No matter the score against the Lions, the Bears will run the ball more than they have all year.
What you'll see is a more balanced approach to the offense. All year long, Trestman said "we've got to run the ball more..." and what happened, they completely abandoned the run.
Trestman cannot afford to have Clausen look bad, so he'll pound the ball and when they do throw it, you're gonna see some open opportunities.
They'll lose, and probably by a lot....but what people will be talking about in Chicago is how "effective and efficient" the offense was under Clausen despite changing the entire game plan.
In the post game press conference, Trestman will talk about how good practices have been all week and how hard the offense and Clausen worked to be ready for the game.
Clausen's jersey won't even get dirty, and Trestman is going to make sure that happens.
Mark my words.
Lions 37
Bears 28
I'd put $50 on the Bears not scoring over 17. I'd also bet that the offense doesn't score more than 1 td.0 -
If the Bears decide to run the ball, it'd be pretty dumb considering that is the strength of the Lions Defense and the best run defense unit in the league...lol.I Know All The Rules But The Rules Do Not Know Me.0
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