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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    Said before and I'll say it again, fuck al sharpton, guys as useful as dried up turd on my lawn.
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,359
    badbrains said:

    Said before and I'll say it again, fuck al sharpton, guys as useful as dried up turd on my lawn.

    Hm. In the sense that he'd make good fertilizer, or would be worth throwing at someone you dislike?
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,754

    Al Sharpton is a major problem, I can't understand how he has any credibility, or how people can see him as anything but self serving.

  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    dignin said:

    rr165892 said:

    dignin said:



    Merkin Baller said:

    catefrances said:

    Merkin Baller said:

    catefrances said:

    Merkin Baller said:


    Trayvon Martin was a senseless tragedy, that poor kid did nothing wrong.

    This is not a senseless tragedy.

    Michael Brown was a criminal who attacked a cop. These facts are indisputable. As someone said earlier in the thread, if he moved to the sidewalk, and let Wilson move along, he would probably be at home getting ready for Thanksgiving w/ his family. Instead he decided to attack a cop.
    Why do so many Brown supporters ignore this?

    He attacked a cop.

    Are there racist cops in this country? Yes. Is police brutality an issue in this country? Yes. Do police lie? Yes. In this case however, there seems to be more than ample evidence that Brown was the aggressor. How can you gloss over that blatant fact?

    No one is refuting that this cop was attacked by a kid who had 90lbs on him. A lot of people are questioning Wilson's toughness & injuries....... The kid had 90 f'ing pounds on him and was trying to get his gun. I don't know how you can look at those facts and say his life wasn't in danger.

    Should he have waited for Brown to take his gun before he decided his life was in danger?

    I'm no police apologist, I know there are a $hit-ton of crooked cops out there, (Wilson may very well be one) but I don't think he was in the wrong here.

    You may not have to respect cops (it's clear many of you don't) but you sure as fuck can't go around assaulting them & trying to take their guns. That's not likely to have a good outcome.

    How is michael brown a criminal?
    He robbed a convenient store. He attacked a cop. This is criminal behavior.
    Criminal behaviour doesn't necessarily equate to being a criminal.... and lets not forget your criminal is dead..... and criminality is legal rhetoric so....
    Yes, he's dead because he attacked a cop & tried to take his gun. No one is refuting these aspects of the case.

    Attacking cops & trying to take their guns is not a recipe for a long & healthy life. I don't know what's so hard to understand.
    I am still not convinced he was going for the cops gun. Can you show me the evidence that proves he was?
    Digin,you are too smart to still be in denial.The big picture of dis enfranchisement And racial stereotyping is a worthy discussion.But this case and the nonsense that followed is pretty straight forward and backed up by fact and evidence.FYI the floor pops in the Tahoe,browns blood leading away and the first wound to browns hand all answer the question for you.Happy Gobble,Gobble
    Oh rr, you give me too much credit, I might be dumber than you think. ;) Happy American Thanksgiving.
    I always like to go with benefit of the doubt.Happy Tday as well if it applies.
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    badbrains said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    badbrains said:

    And meanwhile in Iraq and the mid-east.........

    Feel free to start another thread about whatever topic you want to discuss. This thread is about Michael Brown.
    I know what this threads about. I was making a statement and it seems went over some peoples head.
    Ahhh,I got it.:)
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Musky,keep fighting the good fight and stay safe.Nothing wrong with C-town Chinese on turkey day.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    edited November 2014
    benjs said:

    badbrains said:

    Said before and I'll say it again, fuck al sharpton, guys as useful as dried up turd on my lawn.

    Hm. In the sense that he'd make good fertilizer, or would be worth throwing at someone you dislike?
    Hmmm, good question Ben. He is a piece of shit, that I know.
    rr165892 said:

    badbrains said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    badbrains said:

    And meanwhile in Iraq and the mid-east.........

    Feel free to start another thread about whatever topic you want to discuss. This thread is about Michael Brown.
    I know what this threads about. I was making a statement and it seems went over some peoples head.
    Ahhh,I got it.:)
    I knew you'd get it. :D

    Edit-you're one of the few in Florida who have comprehensive skills. I hear black diamond is smart to. B-)
    Post edited by badbrains on
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    JimmyV said:

    hedonist said:

    JC's gonna love you for that one, gimme :D

    Isn't it possible to be pissed off at both? And actually, I'm not pissed at "poor black folks" or "rich whites on WS"...I'm pissed at anyone who takes what isn't theirs, regardless of method.

    And regardless of color.

    Here,here!!!
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    badbrains said:

    benjs said:

    badbrains said:

    Said before and I'll say it again, fuck al sharpton, guys as useful as dried up turd on my lawn.

    Hm. In the sense that he'd make good fertilizer, or would be worth throwing at someone you dislike?
    Hmmm, good question Ben. He is a piece of shit, that I know.

    The satisfaction of throwing him at someone you dislike wins out for me.

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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    lukin2006 said:

    dignin said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    I think even if Wilson had a go pro on his chest and that video evidence corroborated every word Wilson said, you guys will still want to see Wilson strung out. Facts and evidence don't mean shit here because apparently they are open to interpretation.

    That just isn't true.

    yes it is ... this thread is at 62 pages and I've yet to see a thread started about this http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/?page=all

    I don't see how this is relevant to what I said, or what lastexit posted. If you want to start a thread about that event you a free to do so and I will be happy to talk about it.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    dignin said:

    lukin2006 said:

    dignin said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    I think even if Wilson had a go pro on his chest and that video evidence corroborated every word Wilson said, you guys will still want to see Wilson strung out. Facts and evidence don't mean shit here because apparently they are open to interpretation.

    That just isn't true.

    yes it is ... this thread is at 62 pages and I've yet to see a thread started about this http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/?page=all

    I don't see how this is relevant to what I said, or what lastexit posted. If you want to start a thread about that event you a free to do so and I will be happy to talk about it.
    i know you don't ... what i posted doesn't fit the agenda of the majority.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    muskydan said:

    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    On this great day for Americans to celebrate With friends and family I would like to also say thank you to all the First Responders for keeping us Safe.
    Keep up the thankless good work and never doubt yourself or your training when you are in fear for your life, your partners life, or a citizens life. Always Always Always remember it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

    What variety of first responder are you?
    Why do you ask??? So you can ridicule and educate me even more about my profession you knowing squat about It?? No thanks...
    I asked because I was curious. Those in the brotherhood of cop/fireman/medic stick up for each other in a sometimes questionable way, so it wasn't obvious which variety you belong to. Believe it or not, I wanted to thank you for your service to your community, particularly if you are an EMT/paramedic or fireman. If you are a cop, I am slightly concerned for the citizens you watch over but at the end of the day I assume that your not truly racist, and you do your best to help the people who need help. I know many people who talk in the same blustery, run their mouth kind of way that seems racist that you have been using... Most of them aren't true racists that hate, they just don't care for the culture of the lowest class of black people, and give it undue attention over the lowest class of white people, which have an equally unsavory culture. Most of them don't carry guns and wear a badge either though.
    You say it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. I say remember that when the 12 are judging the 6 are still carrying, and they may be carrying a true innocent.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    I do thank you for your service, either way.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    lukin2006 said:

    dignin said:

    lukin2006 said:

    dignin said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    I think even if Wilson had a go pro on his chest and that video evidence corroborated every word Wilson said, you guys will still want to see Wilson strung out. Facts and evidence don't mean shit here because apparently they are open to interpretation.

    That just isn't true.

    yes it is ... this thread is at 62 pages and I've yet to see a thread started about this http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/?page=all

    I don't see how this is relevant to what I said, or what lastexit posted. If you want to start a thread about that event you a free to do so and I will be happy to talk about it.
    i know you don't ... what i posted doesn't fit the agenda of the majority.
    Fits your agenda though obviously.
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Am I the only one that is just tired of this thread.I feel like we are going in circles.Ehhh maybe a little break from this one as it's been all everything in the media.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    lukin2006 said:

    dignin said:

    lukin2006 said:

    dignin said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    I think even if Wilson had a go pro on his chest and that video evidence corroborated every word Wilson said, you guys will still want to see Wilson strung out. Facts and evidence don't mean shit here because apparently they are open to interpretation.

    That just isn't true.

    yes it is ... this thread is at 62 pages and I've yet to see a thread started about this http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/?page=all

    I don't see how this is relevant to what I said, or what lastexit posted. If you want to start a thread about that event you a free to do so and I will be happy to talk about it.
    i know you don't ... what i posted doesn't fit the agenda of the majority.
    I really don't know what point you're trying to get across. Honestly, not a clue.

  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,359
    dignin said:

    lukin2006 said:

    dignin said:

    lukin2006 said:

    dignin said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    I think even if Wilson had a go pro on his chest and that video evidence corroborated every word Wilson said, you guys will still want to see Wilson strung out. Facts and evidence don't mean shit here because apparently they are open to interpretation.

    That just isn't true.

    yes it is ... this thread is at 62 pages and I've yet to see a thread started about this http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/?page=all

    I don't see how this is relevant to what I said, or what lastexit posted. If you want to start a thread about that event you a free to do so and I will be happy to talk about it.
    i know you don't ... what i posted doesn't fit the agenda of the majority.
    I really don't know what point you're trying to get across. Honestly, not a clue.

    lukin2006 can feel free to correct me, but my interpretation of his words is that, in his opinion, we here on this board are going to unequivocally press forward with the notion that this was a racially-fuelled homicide, as opposed to a legitimate presentation of self-defence against an aggressive assailant. That being said, I think lukin2006 is wrong about many of us here if that is in fact what he believes about our commitment to an opinion here.

    I'd like to believe that there are many here among us who are disturbed by a lack of consistent evidence on this case - and only with consistency can evidence be considered even remotely factual. Our justice system in North America is predicated on the concept of innocent until proven guilty, and regrettably, without accountability baked into a police officer's job (through body cameras or other impartial surveillance, partners so that they can be each others' consciences, etc.), it would not be fair with insufficient evidence to lay a guilty verdict down for Wilson.

    And lukin2006 - since the other police officer was wearing a body camera that was active, and since they are actively investigating valid and impartial evidence that camera enabled them to gather, maybe that's why the press has been so quiet on that topic.
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    benjs said:

    dignin said:

    lukin2006 said:

    dignin said:

    lukin2006 said:

    dignin said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    I think even if Wilson had a go pro on his chest and that video evidence corroborated every word Wilson said, you guys will still want to see Wilson strung out. Facts and evidence don't mean shit here because apparently they are open to interpretation.

    That just isn't true.

    yes it is ... this thread is at 62 pages and I've yet to see a thread started about this http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/?page=all

    I don't see how this is relevant to what I said, or what lastexit posted. If you want to start a thread about that event you a free to do so and I will be happy to talk about it.
    i know you don't ... what i posted doesn't fit the agenda of the majority.
    I really don't know what point you're trying to get across. Honestly, not a clue.

    lukin2006 can feel free to correct me, but my interpretation of his words is that, in his opinion, we here on this board are going to unequivocally press forward with the notion that this was a racially-fuelled homicide, as opposed to a legitimate presentation of self-defence against an aggressive assailant. That being said, I think lukin2006 is wrong about many of us here if that is in fact what he believes about our commitment to an opinion here.

    I'd like to believe that there are many here among us who are disturbed by a lack of consistent evidence on this case - and only with consistency can evidence be considered even remotely factual. Our justice system in North America is predicated on the concept of innocent until proven guilty, and regrettably, without accountability baked into a police officer's job (through body cameras or other impartial surveillance, partners so that they can be each others' consciences, etc.), it would not be fair with insufficient evidence to lay a guilty verdict down for Wilson.

    And lukin2006 - since the other police officer was wearing a body camera that was active, and since they are actively investigating valid and impartial evidence that camera enabled them to gather, maybe that's why the press has been so quiet on that topic.
    You are correct. Not the agenda of everyone, but many. The best educated guess I can give is if the Brown fellow had just followed the officers orders he's completely fine today. That should be the message and the agenda of people ... when the police ask you to stop, put your hands where they can see them, make no aggressive moves ... answer there questions or don't but if they feel threatened the law will give them the benefit of the doubt more time than not if the situation goes bad. I don't understand why that is so hard for people, most cops are good people performing a stressful job.

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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    I don't think I can add any more to this thread. At this point, its more arguing than debating. I respect most of your opinions even though I disagree with them. Have a safe holiday everyone.
  • muskydan
    muskydan Posts: 1,013
    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    On this great day for Americans to celebrate With friends and family I would like to also say thank you to all the First Responders for keeping us Safe.
    Keep up the thankless good work and never doubt yourself or your training when you are in fear for your life, your partners life, or a citizens life. Always Always Always remember it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

    What variety of first responder are you?
    Why do you ask??? So you can ridicule and educate me even more about my profession you knowing squat about It?? No thanks...
    I asked because I was curious. Those in the brotherhood of cop/fireman/medic stick up for each other in a sometimes questionable way, so it wasn't obvious which variety you belong to. Believe it or not, I wanted to thank you for your service to your community, particularly if you are an EMT/paramedic or fireman. If you are a cop, I am slightly concerned for the citizens you watch over but at the end of the day I assume that your not truly racist, and you do your best to help the people who need help. I know many people who talk in the same blustery, run their mouth kind of way that seems racist that you have been using... Most of them aren't true racists that hate, they just don't care for the culture of the lowest class of black people, and give it undue attention over the lowest class of white people, which have an equally unsavory culture. Most of them don't carry guns and wear a badge either though.
    You say it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. I say remember that when the 12 are judging the 6 are still carrying, and they may be carrying a true innocent.
    Thanks rgambs, I am totally new to this forum stuff and I guess I need to be more delicate with expressing myself . I choose to joke about the stuff I am exposed to day in and day out cause its a lot easier than crying. I luv my job and have been a part of some incredible things over my years of service . I have also buried a partner, had 2 different babies die in my arms, and been around countless dead bodies and mutilated people over those years. So needless to say some of the constant anti-police rhetoric i have read on here the past couple of weeks has been disappointing. Especially from people that appear to never leave the house. But hey, no fucking worries…I can handle it. I have always said to my pals that Ed Mueller is the only liberal bone left in my body…He always gets a kick out of that when I get a chance to hang with him.

    Have a great rest of your weekend.. and guess what I get to do again tomorrow?? Work a protest with some pimple faced college kid's yelling at the top of their lungs 6 inches from my face how I am a racist baby killer who spends his free time at Klan meeting…. fun stuff… But hey, its a Free country…and boy is it ever.

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