Michael Brown Shooting

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    I know the burden doesnt require unanimous decision for returning or denying an indictment, but has it been said how the vote went? 9 wh 3 bl grand jurors. Which has been said is a fair distribution% based on population numbers in the county.
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  • St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,158
    dignin said:

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    Musky, you keep on bringing your job up so I think it's a fair question.

    i do too. especially when you constantly bash my city and the people who reside here, and make veiled racist statements about them.

    i am asking you what variety of first responder you are.
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    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,158
    the above picture is very accurate. the whites live in south city, the poor and the other races live in the north of the city. at this point we are very divided. i have not seen a more appropriate magazine cover in a long time.
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  • St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,158
    i like how most of the evidence has been laid out and is now part of the public record. there is plenty of evidence for a federal civil rights trial or a civil wrongful death trial.
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    JC's gonna love you for that one, gimme :D

    Isn't it possible to be pissed off at both? And actually, I'm not pissed at "poor black folks" or "rich whites on WS"...I'm pissed at anyone who takes what isn't theirs, regardless of method.
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    hedonist said:

    JC's gonna love you for that one, gimme :D

    Isn't it possible to be pissed off at both? And actually, I'm not pissed at "poor black folks" or "rich whites on WS"...I'm pissed at anyone who takes what isn't theirs, regardless of method.

    +1
  • Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,600
    hedonist said:

    JC's gonna love you for that one, gimme :D

    Isn't it possible to be pissed off at both? And actually, I'm not pissed at "poor black folks" or "rich whites on WS"...I'm pissed at anyone who takes what isn't theirs, regardless of method.

    And regardless of color.

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  • Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    Last-12-Exit said:

    What's murky about that? Unprofessional? Yes. Should he be fired? Yes. But it's not murky. Murky would have been if photographs had been taken and somehow disappeared.

    Do you think that pictures were not taken on purpose to hide something?

    Nope. I think that, regardless of motive, proper protocol was not followed. I don't really care whether the intent was to take photographs or not, what we're left with is an incomplete story as a result of behaviour residing anywhere along the spectrum of incompetence on one side and intent to suppress evidence on the other.
    hedonist said:

    JC's gonna love you for that one, gimme :D

    Isn't it possible to be pissed off at both? And actually, I'm not pissed at "poor black folks" or "rich whites on WS"...I'm pissed at anyone who takes what isn't theirs, regardless of method.

    This is perfectly put. I'd add that, I'm pissed off about a system that distributes power without implementing checks and balances adequately.
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  • Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    I think even if Wilson had a go pro on his chest and that video evidence corroborated every word Wilson said, you guys will still want to see Wilson strung out. Facts and evidence don't mean shit here because apparently they are open to interpretation.
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    Ferguson-like attack in Utah escapes media notice; race bias seen

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  • Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    edited November 2014
    Last-12-Exit said:

    I think even if Wilson had a go pro on his chest and that video evidence corroborated every word Wilson said, you guys will still want to see Wilson strung out. Facts and evidence don't mean shit here because apparently they are open to interpretation.

    Here's a definition for the term 'fact': "a thing that is indisputably the case". Guess what? What happened in the cop's words are not indisputably the case: hence they are not facts.

    I think you're completely incorrect in assuming that video evidence corroborating his story would be seen as useless. This doesn't have to do with who anyone wants to see thrown in jail, it has to do with proper form in gathering evidence. Proper form involves impartial technology utilized to gather evidence when applicable, instead of relying on people's retelling, when it's a known fact that in a high-stakes situation, people have a tendency to do or say what they feel is best for themselves.
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  • Posts: 10,255
    I was just wondering but who the fuck runs AT someone who's shooting AT THEM? Isn't that what's being said? That Wilson shot at brown and brown charged at him while he was being shot? That's just crazy.
  • Posts: 9,478
    hedonist said:

    JC's gonna love you for that one, gimme :D

    Isn't it possible to be pissed off at both? And actually, I'm not pissed at "poor black folks" or "rich whites on WS"...I'm pissed at anyone who takes what isn't theirs, regardless of method.

    The key to that quote is "more"

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    Last-12-Exit said:

    I think even if Wilson had a go pro on his chest and that video evidence corroborated every word Wilson said, you guys will still want to see Wilson strung out. Facts and evidence don't mean shit here because apparently they are open to interpretation.

    That just isn't true.

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    dignin said:

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    That just isn't true.

    yes it is ... this thread is at 62 pages and I've yet to see a thread started about this http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/?page=all

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    mickeyrat said:

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  • Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    lukin2006 said:

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    yes it is ... this thread is at 62 pages and I've yet to see a thread started about this http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/?page=all

    Thank you for posting this... that article is just as relevant to the topic of proper evidence-gathering protocol as the Michael Brown shooting, and I'm embarrassed that I didn't know that it happened. Note that the officer was wearing a body camera - it'll be interesting to see how that changes the investigation.
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  • Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    edited November 2014
    muskydan said:

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    If you called your partner African American as a casual addendum to wrong-doing like you had done here, he'd have been right to.

    But that being said, I echo your sentiments in wishing all of my American friends and co-PJ-addicts a safe and healthy Thanksgiving.

    On another note, part of one of your sentences got to me: "never doubt yourself or your training". Your full sentence mentioned to never doubt yourself or your training when you are in fear of your or your partner's life, and in those cases, I'd say that it would be wrong to let your doubt dictate your decision if it's counter to your training.

    That being said, I'd entirely disagree with "never doubt": in these situations, your doubt is likely rising as a byproduct of doing something you innately feel is of a questionable ethical code. I'd say remember your doubt, act according to your training at the time, and mention your doubt to a superior at a later time. The training of a police or military officer is no more or less absolute than the Bible or Qur'an, and just like the Bible or Qur'an, following it blindly with no concern for the moral/ethical ramifications does not excuse the absence of thought process leading to avoidable negative byproducts. If you bring up your issue, and your superior can't justify why something your training instructed you to do was in fact the right thing to do, he or she owes it to you to seek an answer. If he or she can't give you a good answer, he or she should kindly refrain from asking you to act in that way.

    Ignorance isn't bliss, it's just laziness from seeking truth in disguise.
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