So I may not have a job after this tour.....

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  • a little respect (or tact, at least) would be nice :)

    for some reason, that seems hard to come by around here anymore... i'm glad you have a resolution AND get to enjoy PJ. congrats! travel safe!
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  • hedonist said:



    I hope you realize that discussions evolve and people will offer opinions based on their particular perspectives and experience. Some might deem that being judgmental; I don't, not necessarily.

    There is a difference between offering your opinion and passing judgement though. Offering your opinion starts with: "I don't think this is a good idea because" or "I think you should take into consideration that".

    Passing judgement is saying things like "you are being irresponsible" or "you are being selfish".

    I certainly don't expect everyone to agree with me, but a little respect (or tact, at least) would be nice :)

    See you at the shows!
    My bride is Dutch
    Are you 7ft tall like every other Dutch person I know ?

    Haha

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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    edited October 2014

    hedonist said:



    I hope you realize that discussions evolve and people will offer opinions based on their particular perspectives and experience. Some might deem that being judgmental; I don't, not necessarily.

    There is a difference between offering your opinion and passing judgement though. Offering your opinion starts with: "I don't think this is a good idea because" or "I think you should take into consideration that".

    Passing judgement is saying things like "you are being irresponsible" or "you are being selfish".

    I certainly don't expect everyone to agree with me, but a little respect (or tact, at least) would be nice :)

    I hope me disagreeing with your decision did not appear that I was passing judgement on you. I was not. That was not my intention. None of my posts were directed at you personally. I should have been more clear.

    I could not risk my job for a few shows, but I'm am glad there are people who can. Have a great time at the shows and be safe.
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  • See you at the shows!
    My bride is Dutch
    Are you 7ft tall like every other Dutch person I know ?

    Haha

    No, at 5ft4 I am the only short Dutch person in history, I moved to Mexico so I could feel tall ;)


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  • rearviewschlem
    rearviewschlem Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 46
    80% of this post judged her. Few people weighed in with advice on either direction to proceed, from her point of view and perspective. From how I see it she was looking for a forum of people that share something in common, that she could seek thoughts and guidance on a tough decision so as to either validate her initial direction to proceed, or be talked off the ledge and not do something she might regret. Side bars about collecting unemployment, how much my job sucks, or who has and does not have kids was comical.

    Congrats Bee girl.
  • hedonist said:



    I hope you realize that discussions evolve and people will offer opinions based on their particular perspectives and experience. Some might deem that being judgmental; I don't, not necessarily.

    There is a difference between offering your opinion and passing judgement though. Offering your opinion starts with: "I don't think this is a good idea because" or "I think you should take into consideration that".

    Passing judgement is saying things like "you are being irresponsible" or "you are being selfish".

    I certainly don't expect everyone to agree with me, but a little respect (or tact, at least) would be nice :)

    See you at the shows!
    My bride is Dutch
    Are you 7ft tall like every other Dutch person I know ?

    Haha

    This is racist and offensive.

    You try being a 7 foot tall Dutch person and find pants that cover your ankles.
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697

    hedonist said:



    I hope you realize that discussions evolve and people will offer opinions based on their particular perspectives and experience. Some might deem that being judgmental; I don't, not necessarily.

    There is a difference between offering your opinion and passing judgement though. Offering your opinion starts with: "I don't think this is a good idea because" or "I think you should take into consideration that".

    Passing judgement is saying things like "you are being irresponsible" or "you are being selfish".

    I certainly don't expect everyone to agree with me, but a little respect (or tact, at least) would be nice :)

    See you at the shows!
    My bride is Dutch
    Are you 7ft tall like every other Dutch person I know ?

    Haha

    This is racist and offensive.

    You try being a 7 foot tall Dutch person and find pants that cover your ankles.
    Ankles are supposed to be exposed,that lets you get a better view of those awesome clogs!!!!
  • rr165892 said:

    hedonist said:



    I hope you realize that discussions evolve and people will offer opinions based on their particular perspectives and experience. Some might deem that being judgmental; I don't, not necessarily.

    There is a difference between offering your opinion and passing judgement though. Offering your opinion starts with: "I don't think this is a good idea because" or "I think you should take into consideration that".

    Passing judgement is saying things like "you are being irresponsible" or "you are being selfish".

    I certainly don't expect everyone to agree with me, but a little respect (or tact, at least) would be nice :)

    See you at the shows!
    My bride is Dutch
    Are you 7ft tall like every other Dutch person I know ?

    Haha

    This is racist and offensive.

    You try being a 7 foot tall Dutch person and find pants that cover your ankles.
    Ankles are supposed to be exposed,that lets you get a better view of those awesome clogs!!!!
    You can hear them coming from a mile away!

    I like watching them play basketball in those wooden clogs. Drinking milk between quarters.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524

    80% of this post judged her. Few people weighed in with advice on either direction to proceed, from her point of view and perspective. From how I see it she was looking for a forum of people that share something in common, that she could seek thoughts and guidance on a tough decision so as to either validate her initial direction to proceed, or be talked off the ledge and not do something she might regret. Side bars about collecting unemployment, how much my job sucks, or who has and does not have kids was comical.

    Congrats Bee girl.

    Glad you were amused!

    Mentioning a boss who's an asshole - well of course others will talk about theirs too.

    In seeking thoughts on both/all sides of the issue as you mentioned, how is talking about that - or even bringing up unemployment - comical? It certainly wasn't mean-spirited. God forbid practicality might play a factor in important decisions.

  • lolobugg
    lolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNS Posts: 8,195

    Let me clarify a couple of things:

    I realize there will be more concerts. That is not what this is about. It is about the way I was treated by my boss after 6 years of hard work. He went back on his word for no reason, and even after I offered to take leave without pay, work overtime and weekends, or anything else to make it work, he just didn't want to help me out. I know I should have gotten it in writing, but that still doesn't stop him from revoking the permission if he wants to.

    I do not depend on anyone, financially or otherwise, nor does anyone depend on me. My decision affects me and me alone. I realize that for those of you who have kids or a spouse, that they would have to be taken into account before making a decision. My situation is different. I have enough money saved to be able to support myself if I am without work for a while. I am independent.
    I am also not responsible for my coworkers. I have seen many people come and go in the past 6 years, and as soon as anyone leaves, someone else takes their place. I am not irreplaceable. My coworkers will be fine.

    I realize that getting fired over this would look very bad on my resumé. I gave the matter a lot of thought over the past week, and I decided to resign. I simply do not want to work where I am not appreciated. The day after I decided to resign, I received a phone call from somebody who was desperately in need of Dutch speaking personnel, and that just happens to be my native language. It is an awesome job, and it pays more than the one I'm leaving behind. So I guess I will have a job after this tour after all, just not the same one as before :)

    So yes, @suziemay, I will see you in Moline!

    beegirl,
    you don't want to be famous, you want to be shy....
    people on these boards will rip u apart in a second just for entertainment

    but hey, good for you. glad you are making the concert. judging by the show i attended, these are gonna be up there with the best of the "later day" PJ.

    You should check out the boot from New Orleans 1995. Ed has a whole speech about Employers treating their employees like shit.

    I remember at the time I could relate and unfortunately have continued to relate until recently.
    I can testify to the happiness that comes from working for "good" people instead of assholes just trying to get ahead and protect their own interests. makes a world of difference in quality of life.

    ENJOY THE SHOW!!!

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  • rearviewschlem
    rearviewschlem Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 46
    The topics were not comical, the milliage away from her topic and her specifically was. Please don't misunderstand me, as I don't ever make light of anyone's personal highs or lows. Not how I roll, if it came across as that, my apologies.
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,946

    Let me clarify a couple of things:

    I realize there will be more concerts. That is not what this is about. It is about the way I was treated by my boss after 6 years of hard work. He went back on his word for no reason, and even after I offered to take leave without pay, work overtime and weekends, or anything else to make it work, he just didn't want to help me out. I know I should have gotten it in writing, but that still doesn't stop him from revoking the permission if he wants to.

    I do not depend on anyone, financially or otherwise, nor does anyone depend on me. My decision affects me and me alone. I realize that for those of you who have kids or a spouse, that they would have to be taken into account before making a decision. My situation is different. I have enough money saved to be able to support myself if I am without work for a while. I am independent.
    I am also not responsible for my coworkers. I have seen many people come and go in the past 6 years, and as soon as anyone leaves, someone else takes their place. I am not irreplaceable. My coworkers will be fine.

    I realize that getting fired over this would look very bad on my resumé. I gave the matter a lot of thought over the past week, and I decided to resign. I simply do not want to work where I am not appreciated. The day after I decided to resign, I received a phone call from somebody who was desperately in need of Dutch speaking personnel, and that just happens to be my native language. It is an awesome job, and it pays more than the one I'm leaving behind. So I guess I will have a job after this tour after all, just not the same one as before :)

    So yes, @suziemay, I will see you in Moline!

    Guess this means you're buying the first round!! :D
  • rearviewschlem
    rearviewschlem Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 46
    Well put Lolobugg
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,962
    I didnt see too much come off as judgmental (at least not 80%)

    The side-bar was basically a discussion of how different people in different situations would have different perspectives, and we didnt know too much about "Beegirl's" personal and professional situation.

    Then "Beegirl" came back and said, I got this covered, Im going and its fine.

    Anyways, congrats and enjoy the show(s)
  • Sarava
    Sarava Naperville, IL Posts: 2,074

    Let me clarify a couple of things:

    I realize there will be more concerts. That is not what this is about. It is about the way I was treated by my boss after 6 years of hard work. He went back on his word for no reason, and even after I offered to take leave without pay, work overtime and weekends, or anything else to make it work, he just didn't want to help me out. I know I should have gotten it in writing, but that still doesn't stop him from revoking the permission if he wants to.

    I do not depend on anyone, financially or otherwise, nor does anyone depend on me. My decision affects me and me alone. I realize that for those of you who have kids or a spouse, that they would have to be taken into account before making a decision. My situation is different. I have enough money saved to be able to support myself if I am without work for a while. I am independent.
    I am also not responsible for my coworkers. I have seen many people come and go in the past 6 years, and as soon as anyone leaves, someone else takes their place. I am not irreplaceable. My coworkers will be fine.

    I realize that getting fired over this would look very bad on my resumé. I gave the matter a lot of thought over the past week, and I decided to resign. I simply do not want to work where I am not appreciated. The day after I decided to resign, I received a phone call from somebody who was desperately in need of Dutch speaking personnel, and that just happens to be my native language. It is an awesome job, and it pays more than the one I'm leaving behind. So I guess I will have a job after this tour after all, just not the same one as before :)

    So yes, @suziemay, I will see you in Moline!

    That's wonderful that you have a new job. I bet quitting the old job will be enjoyable too :) Have a great time at the shows (I'll be at Moline also!).
  • Sarava said:


    That's wonderful that you have a new job. I bet quitting the old job will be enjoyable too :) Have a great time at the shows (I'll be at Moline also!).

    I haven't been able to stop smiling since I handed in my resignation. There is no doubt in my mind that this was the right decision.

    See you in Moline!

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    Pinkpop '00
    Arnhem '06
    Nijmegen '07
    Pittsburgh '13
    Buffalo '13
    Worcester I '13
    Worcester II '13
    Seattle '13