So I may not have a job after this tour.....

buck502000

work to live - not, live to work

hedonist

CM189191 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I didn't even see where she was taking 8 days off. You probablywont have a job. 8 days is a long time. That's 2 full work weeks where I work. I'm only allowed to take 4 days off at one time. (However, working shift work means that 4 days off is really 12 days..) I'll assume you don't work shift work, but that's still a long time to ask to be off.

The rest of the world is laughing at us again....

Fortunately, I'm in roughly the same boat as rustneversleeps; most working folks I know are.

As to the OP, has your boss always been like this? Seems like it shouldn't be a surprise he'd act this way after working with him this long (unless something else is going on). Hope it works out but if not, maybe chalk it up to documenting this type of thing down the road. Always a good idea to cover your ass.

badbrains

Beegirl1980 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I didn't even see where she was taking 8 days off. You probablywont have a job. 8 days is a long time. That's 2 full work weeks where I work. I'm only allowed to take 4 days off at one time. (However, working shift work means that 4 days off is really 12 days..) I'll assume you don't work shift work, but that's still a long time to ask to be off.

The number of days are not the issue. I usually take two entire weeks off, which is not a problem in my line of work.

I have offered to work overtime and weekends, or any other solution that my boss would find acceptable, but he won't budge. The only reason he gave me is that he simply does not want to give me the time off.

He told me he knew I would get the work done on time, even if I went away for a few days. He's basically just being an a**.

At first reading this thread I thought you're being fucked up about all this shit. But seeing that he's not really giving you a reason makes me reconsider and think your boss is being a complete fucktard in this. But it is a job and a decision you're gonna have to really think about. Good luck.

Evel K

Next tour don't tell your boss your vacation plans. If this was your sister's wedding would we even be having this conversation? You have two weeks vacation. Get the days off in writing. It's none of their business how you spend your free time. Your boss might be thinking "You don't need to miss work to follow some band" I'm with young,no kids and another offer waiting in the wings. Just Detroit for me this year, but if I put in for two weeks they'd check the vacation schedule. If it's open I'd get it. Fourteen years, four kids and all they'd say is "You going to see Pearl Jam again?"

Beegirl1980

hedonist said:

CM189191 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I didn't even see where she was taking 8 days off. You probablywont have a job. 8 days is a long time. That's 2 full work weeks where I work. I'm only allowed to take 4 days off at one time. (However, working shift work means that 4 days off is really 12 days..) I'll assume you don't work shift work, but that's still a long time to ask to be off.

The rest of the world is laughing at us again....

Fortunately, I'm in roughly the same boat as rustneversleeps; most working folks I know are.

As to the OP, has your boss always been like this? Seems like it shouldn't be a surprise he'd act this way after working with him this long (unless something else is going on). Hope it works out but if not, maybe chalk it up to documenting this type of thing down the road. Always a good idea to cover your ass.

He has never denied me time off before, but he is the kind of person to take things out on others. He is under a lot of stress right now, and I suppose this is his way of dealing with things....

hedonist

Might not hurt to catch him at the right time (you'd know when) and re-visit it. Or offer a compromise - four or whatever days vs. eight. He may be more willing to meet you halfway vs an all-or-none type of thing.

rustneversleeps

no time to be void, or save up on life... you gotta spend it all

hedonist

rustneversleeps said:

no time to be void, or save up on life... you gotta spend it all

Till you're broke?

There's a lot to be said for....common sense and moderation

rustneversleeps

i hear you. but the line refers to your life, not your money. don't save up on life, live...

hedonist

Who said broke referred to money? Not always about the wallet. Souls and psyches and the other intangibles...they're there and more precious to me.

And...do any of us have a firm hold on the intent of someone else who wrote the lyric? I'm not in their head.

edit - guess I should clarify since assumptions are too easy and too easily tossed about - someone wants to "live", be smart about it. Be self-sufficient, and have the cojones and werewithall to follow through.

Lastlly - I've likely way overthought this. Apologies

rustneversleeps

true. taken in the context of job discussion, possible loss, etc... i'd like to go deep, but is it safe with you?

whofeelslikeadrank

Last-12-Exit said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I guess money doesn't mean that much to people that don't make any.

I say that knowing my responsibilities may be different than yours. I have three young children that rely on me making money.

i can't think of a shittier thing a person could say than that. money doesn't mean that much to people who don't make any? i have kids and still make it to see PJ and pay my bills. because i don't make as much money as you do, i'm a second rate citizen?

rustneversleeps

I have to say, I thought those comments were pretty shitty when I read them Drank

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I think the things you've expressed on the message board here need to be refined just a tad... and brought up with your boss at an opportunistic moment. Give him the opportunity to say 'yes' (never letting him know that you understand he's a dickhead).

"Boss... I need to chat with you. I don't want to come across as stubborn or that I'm holding a gun to your head, but this event that I've planned for means more to me than I think you think..."

If the fireside chat doesn't work... PJ isn't going anywhere. Catch them in spades next tour. Stick with your job, but immediately begin looking for another one to get out of your current one- it doesn't sound so fantastic to be frank.

MayDay10

whofeelslikeadrank said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I guess money doesn't mean that much to people that don't make any.

I say that knowing my responsibilities may be different than yours. I have three young children that rely on me making money.

i can't think of a shittier thing a person could say than that. money doesn't mean that much to people who don't make any? i have kids and still make it to see PJ and pay my bills. because i don't make as much money as you do, i'm a second rate citizen?

A little sensitive I think.

What he is saying... to the op. Their situations are different as is yours when you need to provide for kids. Someone skips out on a job who's family depends on for a rock concert really is low class, selfish, and reprehensible. Even Eddie would probably give that person a batch slap.
If someone is single and doesn't give a damn... it's completely different. Only person it affects is themself and maybe parents or friends getting calls for a place to crash or borrow money

rgambs

There is a lot of negative judgement in this thread. Ohhh you got kids?? You must be tied to your job forever then, because nobody has ever successfully raised children with a gap in employment.
You all just assume that you are going to live to a ripe old age but I got news for you all, today could be your last day. I've known of people who raised their kids in a van on the road, living life to the fullest and spending TIME together instead of spending MONEY together. Mortgages and college savings, nice cars and big TVs, they are all a gamble on your life, betting that you will live past retirement... Not everybody weighs the odds the same. I am surprised at how mainstream everyone here is, I guess bold ideas are for the young.

MayDay10

rgambs, it seems like you are the one making judgements, painting people who may have priorities straight as greedy and money-obsessed, with no time to enjoy life or each other. Like, you know, it is possible to balance things out between working, family, saving, and enjoying?

I still cant understand the mindset to screw your family over by donking off a job to see a rock concert.

Sure there may be "gaps" in employment, things out of your control, sacrifices, money could be tight, standards of living etc... I grew up in pretty lower-mid class and money was always tight. Its not about greed, "nice cars and big TVs". Its survival and taking care of your family and providing the best possible life for them (including health insurance). Its not being a (strange) selfish, obsessive fan who puts themself over the needs of a family for a few hours of "kicks".

Isnt there a difference between supporting a family, vs being in your early-mid 20s with little responsibility? I didnt think it was a ridiculous notion...

Im speechless. I really never thought that would even be debated. My bad. I underestimated the internet.

hedonist

I have to agree with MayDay, especially on the different stages/ages of life.

When I was 22, my uncle offered me the opportunity to travel through Europe for several months. I loved my job but knew I might not have this kind of chance again. My youth made it almost incumbent upon me to accept. Made a point of leaving on good terms - so good in fact that the company offered me a better position upon my return to LA.

Today? Unless there were special circumstances, it'd be beyond irresponsible to quit a great, decent-paying long-term position just to self-indulge. It would be unfair to my husband, to myself, to the life we've built and continue to build.

rgambs

MayDay10 said:

rgambs, it seems like you are the one making judgements, painting people who may have priorities straight as greedy and money-obsessed, with no time to enjoy life or each other. Like, you know, it is possible to balance things out between working, family, saving, and enjoying?

I still cant understand the mindset to screw your family over by donking off a job to see a rock concert.

Sure there may be "gaps" in employment, things out of your control, sacrifices, money could be tight, standards of living etc... I grew up in pretty lower-mid class and money was always tight. Its not about greed, "nice cars and big TVs". Its survival and taking care of your family and providing the best possible life for them (including health insurance). Its not being a (strange) selfish, obsessive fan who puts themself over the needs of a family for a few hours of "kicks".

Isnt there a difference between supporting a family, vs being in your early-mid 20s with little responsibility? I didnt think it was a ridiculous notion...

Im speechless. I really never thought that would even be debated. My bad. I underestimated the internet.

"Screw your family over by donking off a job to see a rock concert".
I am judging but only in response to you folks who seem to know what's best for the OP, who hasn't said anything about having kids or even a spouse...didn't stop you from suggesting it was irresponsible.

MayDay10

you didnt read it then.

It all started when someone pointed out the difference between single vs family and someone (WFLAD) above flipped out and got all offended.

I believe the OP said they were single.
It is still a decision not to be taken lightly, and IMO, unless there is a nice parachute and/or nearly guaranteed prospective employment... on the surface without much data it would be foolish to drop a 6 year job to go to a show(s). Emotions and want may tell you to go at all costs, but a week or 2 after the show there are consequences.

However, as I mentioned before, there is a lot of data to be measured in the decision that is not known (savings, job prospects, salary/pay/hours, support system, debt load, mortgage, lifestyle, lifestyle desired, etc...)


I think its good everyone isn't telling her to go for it, fuck it, and go to shows. You have to make a good choice and hear both the angel and devil on each shoulder.