So I may not have a job after this tour.....

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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    hedonist said:

    I have to agree with MayDay, especially on the different stages/ages of life.

    When I was 22, my uncle offered me the opportunity to travel through Europe for several months. I loved my job but knew I might not have this kind of chance again. My youth made it almost incumbent upon me to accept. Made a point of leaving on good terms - so good in fact that the company offered me a better position upon my return to LA.

    Today? Unless there were special circumstances, it'd be beyond irresponsible to quit a great, decent-paying long-term position just to self-indulge. It would be unfair to my husband, to myself, to the life we've built and continue to build.

    I understand where you are coming from, and respect your tact, polite and sensitive as always (not everyone in this thread has been) but regarding your last paragraph, I have a question. What if you knew life was going to be short for one of your key players? Wouldn't it change the perspective a huge amount? Is it so crazy that some folks taste death often in life and feel a deep need to enjoy every moment?
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  • kc007
    kc007 USA Posts: 282
    tell your boss you'll buy him a poster and a t-shirt :D
  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    dont even consider bringing him stickers
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697

    I didn't even see where she was taking 8 days off. You probablywont have a job. 8 days is a long time. That's 2 full work weeks where I work. I'm only allowed to take 4 days off at one time. (However, working shift work means that 4 days off is really 12 days..) I'll assume you don't work shift work, but that's still a long time to ask to be off.

    Last-12,of the 4 days on ,you guys are playing basketball,watching tv,working out,sleeping and cooking chili for at least 1/2 that time.You can't fool us.Thats a 2day work week.Lol
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    MayDay10 said:

    I guess money doesn't mean that much to people that don't make any.

    I say that knowing my responsibilities may be different than yours. I have three young children that rely on me making money.

    i can't think of a shittier thing a person could say than that. money doesn't mean that much to people who don't make any? i have kids and still make it to see PJ and pay my bills. because i don't make as much money as you do, i'm a second rate citizen?
    A little sensitive I think.

    What he is saying... to the op. Their situations are different as is yours when you need to provide for kids. Someone skips out on a job who's family depends on for a rock concert really is low class, selfish, and reprehensible. Even Eddie would probably give that person a batch slap.
    If someone is single and doesn't give a damn... it's completely different. Only person it affects is themself and maybe parents or friends getting calls for a place to crash or borrow money
    This is kind of a f'd up mentality to have. Could you imagine if HR or your boss had that mentality when it comes time to downsize or promote people?

    I'm recently engaged and no kids. Although I have no concrete proof: I feel like management constantly plays favorites to people with families. "Because their families depend on them."

    So who gets the promotion, who gets downsized, who gets the raise? Who gets asked to put in extra hours? Or pick up the slack because they're not running the kids to soccer or the dentist?

    When 'the powers that be' start taking family into account, all of a sudden the person who has the freedom to take a week or two off and go on tour without worrying about those responsibilities gets the short end of the stick.
  • kc007
    kc007 USA Posts: 282
    CM189191 said:

    MayDay10 said:

    I guess money doesn't mean that much to people that don't make any.

    I say that knowing my responsibilities may be different than yours. I have three young children that rely on me making money.

    i can't think of a shittier thing a person could say than that. money doesn't mean that much to people who don't make any? i have kids and still make it to see PJ and pay my bills. because i don't make as much money as you do, i'm a second rate citizen?
    A little sensitive I think.

    What he is saying... to the op. Their situations are different as is yours when you need to provide for kids. Someone skips out on a job who's family depends on for a rock concert really is low class, selfish, and reprehensible. Even Eddie would probably give that person a batch slap.
    If someone is single and doesn't give a damn... it's completely different. Only person it affects is themself and maybe parents or friends getting calls for a place to crash or borrow money
    This is kind of a f'd up mentality to have. Could you imagine if HR or your boss had that mentality when it comes time to downsize or promote people?

    I'm recently engaged and no kids. Although I have no concrete proof: I feel like management constantly plays favorites to people with families. "Because their families depend on them."

    So who gets the promotion, who gets downsized, who gets the raise? Who gets asked to put in extra hours? Or pick up the slack because they're not running the kids to soccer or the dentist?

    When 'the powers that be' start taking family into account, all of a sudden the person who has the freedom to take a week or two off and go on tour without worrying about those responsibilities gets the short end of the stick.
    of course management plays favorites to people with families and children. this is why you tell you boss very little about your social life. I chose not to have kids and i was always putting in long hours when I worked because other people had to get home for the kids, etc and my boss assumed since I had no kids, i didn't need to rush home for anything. there is definitely a bias when it comes to who gets what in the working world, i would be on time every day while lots of mothers came into the office late due to child care issues or doctors appts for their kids. the time away could have easily added up to a week's worth of vacation.
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,962
    hmm. I wasn't really saying that though. how employers make personnel decisions is on them and a separate issue. People with families arent "better" or "smarter" or anything. I'm not saying that.


    I mean the individual making major financial choices from the lense of being single and (perhaps) low-responsibility (perhaps) younger vs. an individual who has a family to provide food, shelter, medical benefits, etc...

    it's a simple difference
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    rgambs said:

    hedonist said:

    I have to agree with MayDay, especially on the different stages/ages of life.

    When I was 22, my uncle offered me the opportunity to travel through Europe for several months. I loved my job but knew I might not have this kind of chance again. My youth made it almost incumbent upon me to accept. Made a point of leaving on good terms - so good in fact that the company offered me a better position upon my return to LA.

    Today? Unless there were special circumstances, it'd be beyond irresponsible to quit a great, decent-paying long-term position just to self-indulge. It would be unfair to my husband, to myself, to the life we've built and continue to build.

    I understand where you are coming from, and respect your tact, polite and sensitive as always (not everyone in this thread has been) but regarding your last paragraph, I have a question. What if you knew life was going to be short for one of your key players? Wouldn't it change the perspective a huge amount? Is it so crazy that some folks taste death often in life and feel a deep need to enjoy every moment?
    Thank you, gambs - and of course circumstances / perspective play a part. I know that life could change in an instant - it has - and as such, appreciate who and what I have...but by the same token, recklessness isn't an option at this point, at least not in the sense of risking the stability for which we've worked so hard.

    I don't / won't / can't live life with the thought of death (over my shoulder). It creeps in now and then, sure, but my enjoyment of life comes in appreciation of the moments FOR the moments. Knowing that we're all subject to hurt and loss and tragedy does add another layer of thankfulness.

    I hope that makes sense :)

    To CM, I've only been married a year, childless by choice. In the 30+ years I've been working, never once have I felt more demanded-upon because of that. Maybe I'm fortunate in that most of my higher-ups focused more on ability and skill and smarts vs familial obligations.

    (not all bosses are assholes, by the way!)
  • Suziemay
    Suziemay Posts: 11,168
    kc007 said:

    tell your boss you'll buy him a poster and a t-shirt :D

    I second this :D:D

    I know OP and she has her head firmly on her shoulders. Whatever decision she makes will be the right one for her. If anyone noticed, she opened by saying she needed to vent. When I say that to my family, that means I'm not looking for unsolicited opinions, I'm looking for support. Doesn't mean people can't voice their opinions, but I do agree that some of the posts are tinged with judgement and taken very personally. Everyone's different, just because something works for you doesn't mean it works for someone else.

    All that being said.. still seing ya in Moline, @Beegirl1980‌? :D
  • Suziemay said:

    kc007 said:

    tell your boss you'll buy him a poster and a t-shirt :D

    I second this :D:D

    I know OP and she has her head firmly on her shoulders. Whatever decision she makes will be the right one for her. If anyone noticed, she opened by saying she needed to vent. When I say that to my family, that means I'm not looking for unsolicited opinions, I'm looking for support. Doesn't mean people can't voice their opinions, but I do agree that some of the posts are tinged with judgement and taken very personally. Everyone's different, just because something works for you doesn't mean it works for someone else.

    All that being said.. still seing ya in Moline, @Beegirl1980‌? :D
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  • Suziemay
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    Suziemay said:

    kc007 said:

    tell your boss you'll buy him a poster and a t-shirt :D

    I second this :D:D

    I know OP and she has her head firmly on her shoulders. Whatever decision she makes will be the right one for her. If anyone noticed, she opened by saying she needed to vent. When I say that to my family, that means I'm not looking for unsolicited opinions, I'm looking for support. Doesn't mean people can't voice their opinions, but I do agree that some of the posts are tinged with judgement and taken very personally. Everyone's different, just because something works for you doesn't mean it works for someone else.

    All that being said.. still seing ya in Moline, @Beegirl1980‌? :D
    always positive SuMay! thank you B-)
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  • Big Bank Hank
    Big Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Sounds more like your boss has a crush in you and nay be waiting for some "incentive" to give you your time off.
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661

    I guess money doesn't mean that much to people that don't make any.

    I say that knowing my responsibilities may be different than yours. I have three young children that rely on me making money.

    i can't think of a shittier thing a person could say than that. money doesn't mean that much to people who don't make any? i have kids and still make it to see PJ and pay my bills. because i don't make as much money as you do, i'm a second rate citizen?
    That's not at all what I said or meant. People that would CHOOSE not to work either have enough money to support themselves or dont have the responsibility of children. Therefore, money wouldn't mean as much to someone that doesn't make any. Has nothing to do with who me making more or less than you.

    I live paycheck to paycheck just like most here probably do. Being able to afford things like concerts, fan club, and posters are a luxary that do not take for granted. And in order to continue with those luxaries, I would not be able to risk my job over a couple of concerts.
  • Let me clarify a couple of things:

    I realize there will be more concerts. That is not what this is about. It is about the way I was treated by my boss after 6 years of hard work. He went back on his word for no reason, and even after I offered to take leave without pay, work overtime and weekends, or anything else to make it work, he just didn't want to help me out. I know I should have gotten it in writing, but that still doesn't stop him from revoking the permission if he wants to.

    I do not depend on anyone, financially or otherwise, nor does anyone depend on me. My decision affects me and me alone. I realize that for those of you who have kids or a spouse, that they would have to be taken into account before making a decision. My situation is different. I have enough money saved to be able to support myself if I am without work for a while. I am independent.
    I am also not responsible for my coworkers. I have seen many people come and go in the past 6 years, and as soon as anyone leaves, someone else takes their place. I am not irreplaceable. My coworkers will be fine.

    I realize that getting fired over this would look very bad on my resumé. I gave the matter a lot of thought over the past week, and I decided to resign. I simply do not want to work where I am not appreciated. The day after I decided to resign, I received a phone call from somebody who was desperately in need of Dutch speaking personnel, and that just happens to be my native language. It is an awesome job, and it pays more than the one I'm leaving behind. So I guess I will have a job after this tour after all, just not the same one as before :)

    So yes, @suziemay, I will see you in Moline!

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  • Suziemay
    Suziemay Posts: 11,168

    Let me clarify a couple of things:

    I realize there will be more concerts. That is not what this is about. It is about the way I was treated by my boss after 6 years of hard work. He went back on his word for no reason, and even after I offered to take leave without pay, work overtime and weekends, or anything else to make it work, he just didn't want to help me out. I know I should have gotten it in writing, but that still doesn't stop him from revoking the permission if he wants to.

    I do not depend on anyone, financially or otherwise, nor does anyone depend on me. My decision affects me and me alone. I realize that for those of you who have kids or a spouse, that they would have to be taken into account before making a decision. My situation is different. I have enough money saved to be able to support myself if I am without work for a while. I am independent.
    I am also not responsible for my coworkers. I have seen many people come and go in the past 6 years, and as soon as anyone leaves, someone else takes their place. I am not irreplaceable. My coworkers will be fine.

    I realize that getting fired over this would look very bad on my resumé. I gave the matter a lot of thought over the past week, and I decided to resign. I simply do not want to work where I am not appreciated. The day after I decided to resign, I received a phone call from somebody who was desperately in need of Dutch speaking personnel, and that just happens to be my native language. It is an awesome job, and it pays more than the one I'm leaving behind. So I guess I will have a job after this tour after all, just not the same one as before :)

    So yes, @suziemay, I will see you in Moline!

    Yay! You go girl. Hi five.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    That's great, Beegirl. I'm glad you'll have your cake and be able to eat it too.

    I hope you realize that discussions evolve and people will offer opinions based on their particular perspectives and experience. Some might deem that being judgmental; I don't, not necessarily.

    Anyway, good news for you. All the best in your new position.
  • CM189191
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    Hell yeah good for you!
  • ldent42
    ldent42 NYC Posts: 7,859
    That's great Beegirl! Enjoy the tour and good luck on the new job!
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  • hedonist said:



    I hope you realize that discussions evolve and people will offer opinions based on their particular perspectives and experience. Some might deem that being judgmental; I don't, not necessarily.

    There is a difference between offering your opinion and passing judgement though. Offering your opinion starts with: "I don't think this is a good idea because" or "I think you should take into consideration that".

    Passing judgement is saying things like "you are being irresponsible" or "you are being selfish".

    I certainly don't expect everyone to agree with me, but a little respect (or tact, at least) would be nice :)


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