St. Louis merch line & inside security

derbydave · October 2014

FoxyRedLa said:
Wow! I hadn't heard that Dave!

Yep...
instead of putting us in a maze-line like an amusement park ride...
similar to what they did in Cincinnati,
they had three different "holding" areas.
The people at the beginning of the line were put in the middle area,
people in the middle of the line were sent to the right...
& the folks at the back of the line were in the left holding area!!
When they started letting us out onto the floor,
they just dropped the ropes & it was a free-for-all!!
This allowed people who were at the back of the GA line,
but were able to make it to the front of their respective holding sections,
to get ahead of those who were at the beginning of the line,
but farther back in their holding area.
It really wasn't fair to the people that put in the time waiting in line all day!

Sarava · October 2014

FWIW - the 2 merch tents inside the arena that I saw after entering were sold out of the St. Louis event shirts. They only had the generic tour shirts and such. Maybe some stands I didn't visit had them though? I did see the poster there though...so that was to be had for anyone that showed up on time.

deadendp · October 2014

evenflow82 said:
The merch stand understaffed and not organized? This is typical for PJ shows these days. I wish the band would do something about it.

Frankly, I thought that Cincinnati was staffed just fine and went along at the speed that I would think given the merch and number of people. They seemed to have a flow and weren't tripping over each other. I'm sorry that St. Louis was so bad.

derbydave said:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the way the venue personnel royally screwed up the GA line by placing us in the "Holding Pens" like ANIMALS!!
And then had the nerve to talk to us like we were children & told to enter the GA area like little ducks in a row AND then when we finally made it out on the floor, they MADE everyone sit cross legged on the ground!!
We're PEOPLE folks...not your herd of CATTLE!!!

:-q

They did realize that you are adults, right? What the hell? :-?

pjradio · October 2014

derbydave said:
they MADE everyone sit cross legged on the ground!!

fuck that...would never have happened

FoxyRedLa · October 2014

derbydave said:

FoxyRedLa said:
Wow! I hadn't heard that Dave!
Yep...
instead of putting us in a maze-line like an amusement park ride...
similar to what they did in Cincinnati,
they had three different "holding" areas.
The people at the beginning of the line were put in the middle area,
people in the middle of the line were sent to the right...
& the folks at the back of the line were in the left holding area!!
When they started letting us out onto the floor,
they just dropped the ropes & it was a free-for-all!!
This allowed people who were at the back of the GA line,
but were able to make it to the front of their respective holding sections,
to get ahead of those who were at the beginning of the line,
but farther back in their holding area.
It really wasn't fair to the people that put in the time waiting in line all day!

WTF

derbydave · October 2014

FoxyRedLa said:

derbydave said:

FoxyRedLa said:
Wow! I hadn't heard that Dave!
Yep...
instead of putting us in a maze-line like an amusement park ride...
similar to what they did in Cincinnati,
they had three different "holding" areas.
The people at the beginning of the line were put in the middle area,
people in the middle of the line were sent to the right...
& the folks at the back of the line were in the left holding area!!
When they started letting us out onto the floor,
they just dropped the ropes & it was a free-for-all!!
This allowed people who were at the back of the GA line,
but were able to make it to the front of their respective holding sections,
to get ahead of those who were at the beginning of the line,
but farther back in their holding area.
It really wasn't fair to the people that put in the time waiting in line all day!
WTF

My thoughts EXACTLY!!!
I hope my explanation makes sense,
that was the only way I could think of to describe this debacle of a line!!

SentimentalOrnament · October 2014

Another thing I understand people buying an extra poster for a friend or another board member, but they were letting people buy 4-5 posters, that's ridiculous! Someone on here said they saw a guy buy 10 posters!!! What the hell? Other than flipping them why do you need 10 posters, hell more than 1 for that matter!

mattcoz · October 2014

Yeah, the holding pens were very strange, and what was the point of making us sit on the ground? I was quite happy with where I ended up though.

derbydave · October 2014

SentimentalOrnament said:
Another thing I understand people buying an extra poster for a friend or another board member, but they were letting people buy 4-5 posters, that's ridiculous! Someone on here said they saw a guy buy 10 posters!!! What the hell? Other than flipping them why do you need 10 posters, hell more than 1 for that matter!

Especially when they are as BAD as the St. Louis poster was...
makes no sense to me at all!!
You'll be able to buy this one in the shop for $20 bucks,
if you have the patience to wait a year or 2 to own it!!

HesCalledDyer · October 2014

It wasn't even a good poster for that matter. That fucker will sit on the Goods page for months after they put it up.

A satellite forever orbiting · October 2014

The security was definitely aggressive and seemed blood thirsty. They were just looking for any reason to throw people out. I was watching the GA area from two rows off the floor. I lit up a cig and was tapped an told to put it out. Fine. No problem. I put it out right away. But from Stone's side there were a few guys that thought they were cops and ran in to help the other jerk off "guards" shake people around a little. During the encore broke I shone my iphone flashlight on one of these guys for a while until some jerk two seats down from me started giving me shit for it. I told him I was fucking with the guy because I care about the people in the pit. He says, then go down there with them. I was like, asshole, I have a reserve ticket, they won't let me down there. This guy got me into NYC combat mode for a few minutes as we jawed back and forth. After the encore break all was fine and I went back to enjoying the show as I had been all night.

And I got caught smoking a J at MSG and all the security guy did was ask me for my ticket, tore a little piece off the corner and said your out if I catch you again. I said, you got it, I'm done. THAT'S the way it's done. A stern but respectful warning.

It seems like the Scottstrade security has the same mindset as many of the MO. Cops we've been hearing about on the news. They're just wannabes and emulate the behavior of their counterpart superiors. Because when they get a guy they can't handle, they have to rely on the police.

I generally found the vibe and people of Cincinnati to be much cooler than that/those of St. Louis. I wouldn't go back to St. Louis for a visit or a show.

SarahMcNadia · October 2014

I agree that the GA entry was a mess. I was among the first 10 people in line. We spoke with a couple different security dudes throughout the day and it seemed that everything would be going smoothly when the doors opened, much like in Cincinnati.. they would lead us into the venue, maybe in groups, slowly so as to remain in the same order. But once we passed the wanding area there was just this huge open space gated off before the stairs down to the concourse and this new little security guy with the beard started yelling orders at everyone to spread out and pile together, that we would all be let in at the same time. Of course, that did not sit well with anyone who had put in the time to get a good spot. It created a lot of tension among those in the GA lineup and when one girl tried to explain that we had been told the plan was different, the beard responded by threatening to throw her out. He kept saying things like, I know what I'm doing, I do this all the time.. but it was clear that he was the one fucking the whole thing up with his arrogant douchery as well as the ridiculous physical layout. PJ's own security guy showed up and that, for me, along with the first group of us sticking together, is the only reason any order was maintained (for those of us at the front anyway). At one point, the bearded prick jumped up on the rail and started to yell again and PJ's guy shouted him down. Luckily, the first 12-15 or so of us (that I'd gotten to know throughout the day) got our earned spots but I was sure that the larger group behind us was not so lucky. It was a shit show. I don't know why they didn't just repeat the same system that Cincinnati had - it worked beautifully as far as I could tell from about 75 people back.

As far as the sitting down on the floor once we got in.. that was something security outside the venue earlier in the day had told us near the front would happen and I was happy about it. In Cincinnati we stood on the floor for almost 3 hours with barely any room to move and it was rough. Maybe a lot of people in the STL line didn't know that was going to happen..? And it probably came off like another douchey order being shouted seeing that the precedent had been set at the gates. The thing I found weird was that they told us all to sit but then had us stand again after not too long which contradicted the reasoning we were given by security for the whole sitting idea in the first place.

Anyway, that's just my point of view.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · October 2014

SarahMcNadia said:
I agree that the GA entry was a mess. I was among the first 10 people in line. We spoke with a couple different security dudes throughout the day and it seemed that everything would be going smoothly when the doors opened, much like in Cincinnati.. they would lead us into the venue, maybe in groups, slowly so as to remain in the same order. But once we passed the wanding area there was just this huge open space gated off before the stairs down to the concourse and this new little security guy with the beard started yelling orders at everyone to spread out and pile together, that we would all be let in at the same time. Of course, that did not sit well with anyone who had put in the time to get a good spot. It created a lot of tension among those in the GA lineup and when one girl tried to explain that we had been told the plan was different, the beard responded by threatening to throw her out. He kept saying things like, I know what I'm doing, I do this all the time.. but it was clear that he was the one fucking the whole thing up with his arrogant douchery as well as the ridiculous physical layout. PJ's own security guy showed up and that, for me, along with the first group of us sticking together, is the only reason any order was maintained (for those of us at the front anyway). At one point, the bearded prick jumped up on the rail and started to yell again and PJ's guy shouted him down. Luckily, the first 12-15 or so of us (that I'd gotten to know throughout the day) got our earned spots but I was sure that the larger group behind us was not so lucky. It was a shit show. I don't know why they didn't just repeat the same system that Cincinnati had - it worked beautifully as far as I could tell from about 75 people back.

As far as the sitting down on the floor once we got in.. that was something security outside the venue earlier in the day had told us near the front would happen and I was happy about it. In Cincinnati we stood on the floor for almost 3 hours with barely any room to move and it was rough. Maybe a lot of people in the STL line didn't know that was going to happen..? And it probably came off like another douchey order being shouted seeing that the precedent had been set at the gates. The thing I found weird was that they told us all to sit but then had us stand again after not too long which contradicted the reasoning we were given by security for the whole sitting idea in the first place.

Anyway, that's just my point of view.

No disrespect whatsoever but all I think of after reading this is
Simon says "Stand-up. Sit-down. You're out!

derbydave · October 2014

SarahMcNadia said:
I agree that the GA entry was a mess. I was among the first 10 people in line. We spoke with a couple different security dudes throughout the day and it seemed that everything would be going smoothly when the doors opened, much like in Cincinnati.. they would lead us into the venue, maybe in groups, slowly so as to remain in the same order. But once we passed the wanding area there was just this huge open space gated off before the stairs down to the concourse and this new little security guy with the beard started yelling orders at everyone to spread out and pile together, that we would all be let in at the same time. Of course, that did not sit well with anyone who had put in the time to get a good spot. It created a lot of tension among those in the GA lineup and when one girl tried to explain that we had been told the plan was different, the beard responded by threatening to throw her out. He kept saying things like, I know what I'm doing, I do this all the time.. but it was clear that he was the one fucking the whole thing up with his arrogant douchery as well as the ridiculous physical layout. PJ's own security guy showed up and that, for me, along with the first group of us sticking together, is the only reason any order was maintained (for those of us at the front anyway). At one point, the bearded prick jumped up on the rail and started to yell again and PJ's guy shouted him down. Luckily, the first 12-15 or so of us (that I'd gotten to know throughout the day) got our earned spots but I was sure that the larger group behind us was not so lucky. It was a shit show. I don't know why they didn't just repeat the same system that Cincinnati had - it worked beautifully as far as I could tell from about 75 people back.

As far as the sitting down on the floor once we got in.. that was something security outside the venue earlier in the day had told us near the front would happen and I was happy about it. In Cincinnati we stood on the floor for almost 3 hours with barely any room to move and it was rough. Maybe a lot of people in the STL line didn't know that was going to happen..? And it probably came off like another douchey order being shouted seeing that the precedent had been set at the gates. The thing I found weird was that they told us all to sit but then had us stand again after not too long which contradicted the reasoning we were given by security for the whole sitting idea in the first place.

Anyway, that's just my point of view.

Thanks for explaining the reason for the seating on the floor...
YOU showed me more courtesy than ANY of the "security" people at the venue!!
I had not heard anything about being seated & it came as a surprise after the Cincinnati show.
I was yelled at and told to "hit the ground" and then 5 minutes later they told us to stand back up!!
Seemed like no one REALLY knew why we were being forced to sit down on a dirty arena floor in the first place and it really made no sense when we were told to get back on our feet just a short time later!!
Thanks for the info!!
:-bd

SarahMcNadia · October 2014

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

SarahMcNadia said:
I agree that the GA entry was a mess. I was among the first 10 people in line. We spoke with a couple different security dudes throughout the day and it seemed that everything would be going smoothly when the doors opened, much like in Cincinnati.. they would lead us into the venue, maybe in groups, slowly so as to remain in the same order. But once we passed the wanding area there was just this huge open space gated off before the stairs down to the concourse and this new little security guy with the beard started yelling orders at everyone to spread out and pile together, that we would all be let in at the same time. Of course, that did not sit well with anyone who had put in the time to get a good spot. It created a lot of tension among those in the GA lineup and when one girl tried to explain that we had been told the plan was different, the beard responded by threatening to throw her out. He kept saying things like, I know what I'm doing, I do this all the time.. but it was clear that he was the one fucking the whole thing up with his arrogant douchery as well as the ridiculous physical layout. PJ's own security guy showed up and that, for me, along with the first group of us sticking together, is the only reason any order was maintained (for those of us at the front anyway). At one point, the bearded prick jumped up on the rail and started to yell again and PJ's guy shouted him down. Luckily, the first 12-15 or so of us (that I'd gotten to know throughout the day) got our earned spots but I was sure that the larger group behind us was not so lucky. It was a shit show. I don't know why they didn't just repeat the same system that Cincinnati had - it worked beautifully as far as I could tell from about 75 people back.

As far as the sitting down on the floor once we got in.. that was something security outside the venue earlier in the day had told us near the front would happen and I was happy about it. In Cincinnati we stood on the floor for almost 3 hours with barely any room to move and it was rough. Maybe a lot of people in the STL line didn't know that was going to happen..? And it probably came off like another douchey order being shouted seeing that the precedent had been set at the gates. The thing I found weird was that they told us all to sit but then had us stand again after not too long which contradicted the reasoning we were given by security for the whole sitting idea in the first place.

Anyway, that's just my point of view.
No disrespect whatsoever but all I think of after reading this is
Simon says "Stand-up. Sit-down. You're out!

None taken. And I get what you're saying. Their delivery left a lot to be desired for sure.

SarahMcNadia · October 2014

derbydave said:

SarahMcNadia said:
I agree that the GA entry was a mess. I was among the first 10 people in line. We spoke with a couple different security dudes throughout the day and it seemed that everything would be going smoothly when the doors opened, much like in Cincinnati.. they would lead us into the venue, maybe in groups, slowly so as to remain in the same order. But once we passed the wanding area there was just this huge open space gated off before the stairs down to the concourse and this new little security guy with the beard started yelling orders at everyone to spread out and pile together, that we would all be let in at the same time. Of course, that did not sit well with anyone who had put in the time to get a good spot. It created a lot of tension among those in the GA lineup and when one girl tried to explain that we had been told the plan was different, the beard responded by threatening to throw her out. He kept saying things like, I know what I'm doing, I do this all the time.. but it was clear that he was the one fucking the whole thing up with his arrogant douchery as well as the ridiculous physical layout. PJ's own security guy showed up and that, for me, along with the first group of us sticking together, is the only reason any order was maintained (for those of us at the front anyway). At one point, the bearded prick jumped up on the rail and started to yell again and PJ's guy shouted him down. Luckily, the first 12-15 or so of us (that I'd gotten to know throughout the day) got our earned spots but I was sure that the larger group behind us was not so lucky. It was a shit show. I don't know why they didn't just repeat the same system that Cincinnati had - it worked beautifully as far as I could tell from about 75 people back.

As far as the sitting down on the floor once we got in.. that was something security outside the venue earlier in the day had told us near the front would happen and I was happy about it. In Cincinnati we stood on the floor for almost 3 hours with barely any room to move and it was rough. Maybe a lot of people in the STL line didn't know that was going to happen..? And it probably came off like another douchey order being shouted seeing that the precedent had been set at the gates. The thing I found weird was that they told us all to sit but then had us stand again after not too long which contradicted the reasoning we were given by security for the whole sitting idea in the first place.

Anyway, that's just my point of view.
Thanks for explaining the reason for the seating on the floor...
YOU showed me more courtesy than ANY of the "security" people at the venue!!
I had not heard anything about being seated & it came as a surprise after the Cincinnati show.
I was yelled at and told to "hit the ground" and then 5 minutes later they told us to stand back up!!
Seemed like no one REALLY knew why we were being forced to sit down on a dirty arena floor in the first place and it really made no sense when we were told to get back on our feet just a short time later!!
Thanks for the info!!
:-bd

To elaborate, the reason given for the sitting thing was to keep us all cool and relaxed to minimize the risk of people passing out, etc. Otherwise, it seemed like a no-brainer to follow the Cincinnati model. It was definitely tense in that building and the only thing I can think of that *may* have affected the venue's operations and security was the tragic death of a hockey fan the night before. That's a pretty devastating thing to be involved in and with this show so soon after I could understand, to a point, that there would be carry-over of emotion and stress on their part.

derbydave · October 2014

SarahMcNadia said:

derbydave said:

SarahMcNadia said:
I agree that the GA entry was a mess. I was among the first 10 people in line. We spoke with a couple different security dudes throughout the day and it seemed that everything would be going smoothly when the doors opened, much like in Cincinnati.. they would lead us into the venue, maybe in groups, slowly so as to remain in the same order. But once we passed the wanding area there was just this huge open space gated off before the stairs down to the concourse and this new little security guy with the beard started yelling orders at everyone to spread out and pile together, that we would all be let in at the same time. Of course, that did not sit well with anyone who had put in the time to get a good spot. It created a lot of tension among those in the GA lineup and when one girl tried to explain that we had been told the plan was different, the beard responded by threatening to throw her out. He kept saying things like, I know what I'm doing, I do this all the time.. but it was clear that he was the one fucking the whole thing up with his arrogant douchery as well as the ridiculous physical layout. PJ's own security guy showed up and that, for me, along with the first group of us sticking together, is the only reason any order was maintained (for those of us at the front anyway). At one point, the bearded prick jumped up on the rail and started to yell again and PJ's guy shouted him down. Luckily, the first 12-15 or so of us (that I'd gotten to know throughout the day) got our earned spots but I was sure that the larger group behind us was not so lucky. It was a shit show. I don't know why they didn't just repeat the same system that Cincinnati had - it worked beautifully as far as I could tell from about 75 people back.

As far as the sitting down on the floor once we got in.. that was something security outside the venue earlier in the day had told us near the front would happen and I was happy about it. In Cincinnati we stood on the floor for almost 3 hours with barely any room to move and it was rough. Maybe a lot of people in the STL line didn't know that was going to happen..? And it probably came off like another douchey order being shouted seeing that the precedent had been set at the gates. The thing I found weird was that they told us all to sit but then had us stand again after not too long which contradicted the reasoning we were given by security for the whole sitting idea in the first place.

Anyway, that's just my point of view.
Thanks for explaining the reason for the seating on the floor...
YOU showed me more courtesy than ANY of the "security" people at the venue!!
I had not heard anything about being seated & it came as a surprise after the Cincinnati show.
I was yelled at and told to "hit the ground" and then 5 minutes later they told us to stand back up!!
Seemed like no one REALLY knew why we were being forced to sit down on a dirty arena floor in the first place and it really made no sense when we were told to get back on our feet just a short time later!!
Thanks for the info!!
:-bd
To elaborate, the reason given for the sitting thing was to keep us all cool and relaxed to minimize the risk of people passing out, etc. Otherwise, it seemed like a no-brainer to follow the Cincinnati model. It was definitely tense in that building and the only thing I can think of that *may* have affected the venue's operations and security was the tragic death of a hockey fan the night before. That's a pretty devastating thing to be involved in and with this show so soon after I could understand, to a point, that there would be carry-over of emotion and stress on their part.

Another thing I was unaware of...
that could explain the tighter than usual security!!
Thanks for sharing the information!

JB128716 · October 2014

I walked in about 6:45 and got the rail and there was no indian style sitting. You folks are on drugs.

Unless you mean you had to sit indian style in the holding pen? Who knows. All I know is I walked in and walked right up to the rail. No complaints here.

2-feign-reluctance · October 2014

cmalisze said:
Here is hoping Moline merch line will be better. The smaller venue should lead to a smaller line????? I hope...the other option should be re-entry so people don't have to carry items around and risk damage.

Not a chance. Legions of people who camp out for merch.

2-feign-reluctance · October 2014

HesCalledDyer said:
It wasn't even a good poster for that matter. That fucker will sit on the Goods page for months after they put it up.

Exactly! Haha! Disappointed in the poster for my hometown show. 98' was the best they've done for STL. That one is hanging in my office : )

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