Rice, The Rate of Domestic Violence Arrests Among NFL Players

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,587
    wall232 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Jason P said:

    wall232 said:

    josevolution said:

    yeah big problem for the NFL & commish who by the way has handle this issue atrociously at best he needs to go ....it should be Zero tolerance you punch your wife girlfriend kids or who ever you should be banned for life .......

    I don't think they should be banned for life. Suspended a year and forced to seek counseling yes, they have a right to make a living. Is there no second chance for Rice? Vick got a second chance, he tortured and brutalized animals and people are running around wearing his jersey today. They are people who fight for murders and rapist to get a second chance, so why can't Rice or anyone else in his position?

    That sounds fair to me.

    but his earned living doesnt have to be football. What was he going to do after he retired? RB longevity is brief at best in NFL.
    He would have earned enough not to have to worry about working again, he probably already has made more than most of us will in a lifetime in his few playing years. I still don't think he should be banned for life, what he did was despicable but I feel he deserves a second chance after he completes counseling.


    all too many players wind up broke due to taking bad advice from "advisors" and out right theft from same . Not to mention spending like there is no tomorrow.
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  • mickeyrat
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    mickeyrat said:

    wall232 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Jason P said:

    wall232 said:

    josevolution said:

    yeah big problem for the NFL & commish who by the way has handle this issue atrociously at best he needs to go ....it should be Zero tolerance you punch your wife girlfriend kids or who ever you should be banned for life .......

    I don't think they should be banned for life. Suspended a year and forced to seek counseling yes, they have a right to make a living. Is there no second chance for Rice? Vick got a second chance, he tortured and brutalized animals and people are running around wearing his jersey today. They are people who fight for murders and rapist to get a second chance, so why can't Rice or anyone else in his position?

    That sounds fair to me.

    but his earned living doesnt have to be football. What was he going to do after he retired? RB longevity is brief at best in NFL.
    He would have earned enough not to have to worry about working again, he probably already has made more than most of us will in a lifetime in his few playing years. I still don't think he should be banned for life, what he did was despicable but I feel he deserves a second chance after he completes counseling.


    all too many players wind up broke due to taking bad advice from "advisors" and out right theft from same . Not to mention spending like there is no tomorrow.
    Left his senior year on the shelf. No Degree.
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • wall232
    wall232 New York Posts: 1,346
    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    wall232 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Jason P said:

    wall232 said:

    josevolution said:

    yeah big problem for the NFL & commish who by the way has handle this issue atrociously at best he needs to go ....it should be Zero tolerance you punch your wife girlfriend kids or who ever you should be banned for life .......

    I don't think they should be banned for life. Suspended a year and forced to seek counseling yes, they have a right to make a living. Is there no second chance for Rice? Vick got a second chance, he tortured and brutalized animals and people are running around wearing his jersey today. They are people who fight for murders and rapist to get a second chance, so why can't Rice or anyone else in his position?

    That sounds fair to me.

    but his earned living doesnt have to be football. What was he going to do after he retired? RB longevity is brief at best in NFL.
    He would have earned enough not to have to worry about working again, he probably already has made more than most of us will in a lifetime in his few playing years. I still don't think he should be banned for life, what he did was despicable but I feel he deserves a second chance after he completes counseling.


    all too many players wind up broke due to taking bad advice from "advisors" and out right theft from same . Not to mention spending like there is no tomorrow.
    Left his senior year on the shelf. No Degree.
    And who knows how well he really did in school, we all know how star athletes get special treatment.
    NYPJ
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,587
    I think business/economics should be required courses for these guys. At least the basics.
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,838
    Kat said:

    Just came across this. I have another hero. :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I1o3PEyVxE

    Excellent!! Thanks for posting it, Kat!

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    wall232 said:

    josevolution said:

    yeah big problem for the NFL & commish who by the way has handle this issue atrociously at best he needs to go ....it should be Zero tolerance you punch your wife girlfriend kids or who ever you should be banned for life .......

    I don't think they should be banned for life. Suspended a year and forced to seek counseling yes, they have a right to make a living. Is there no second chance for Rice? Vick got a second chance, he tortured and brutalized animals and people are running around wearing his jersey today. They are people who fight for murders and rapist to get a second chance, so why can't Rice or anyone else in his position?

    A right to make a living? Get freaking real. You make a living don't you? Do you make 4 million dollars a year? Is that what it takes to "make a living"? Let him shovel shit with the rest of us. I could live my life out comfortably on 1 of his years salary. If he blew it all trying to look like a big shot, that's his problem. He isn't in jail, there's your second chance. Thousands of kids see the example he sets, ZERO TOLERANCE!
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    rg, gotta say I'm with you for the most part but I also get the second-chance side of it. Not necessarily a second chance to rake in a shitload, but to maybe learn from it, become a better person, restore integrity (and not necessarily in the same field or salary range as before, either..if it's all about money, then it's really about nothing).
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    hedonist said:

    rg, gotta say I'm with you for the most part but I also get the second-chance side of it. Not necessarily a second chance to rake in a shitload, but to maybe learn from it, become a better person, restore integrity (and not necessarily in the same field or salary range as before, either..if it's all about money, then it's really about nothing).

    I hear you, but he already has a famous name! Should he become that better person, with his fortune, if he wants to lend it to the effort to curb domestic violence, he should enjoy great success with it.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,838
    Also, these guys are in the spot light and supposedly are role models for kids. Supposedly.

    Here's a dicey friggin' question for you all: In the EXCELLENT James Brown speech Kat posted above , Mr. Brown reminds us that, among other things, we should be aware of our language. So what about the use of the word "bitch" and "bitchin"? I'm often puzzled by that one. When Miles used that word in the title of his great album, "Bitches Brew", it never really bothered me or anyone else as far as I know (accept maybe some of my parents generation- the G.I. generation). What about the its prolific use in rap and hip hop? I'm not a big fan of the genre so maybe there's something I'm missing (willing to be educated, here). Is it OK? Not OK?

    What about calling strangers "bitch"? When that black kid tried to knock me out he spit out the word "bitch" as he was punching me. Under other circumstances, I would have laughed. Bitch? WTF?

    I watched an old Carlin video recently where he was talking about inflammatory words and he said it was all about content, not the word itself. He said there are bad words- they're just words. Its the intent, the context. But sometimes that context is confusing. Back to hip hop again. Seems to me that that border of "not cool" is crossed from time to time- but what do I know? Educate me, ya'll.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Yeah, you know I love and respect Carlin - in fact, I was so eager to respond to your third paragraph I totally missed the last one - and what I initially wrote spoke to both context and intent. After previewing, backspaced post-haste! ...but dig we see this similarly.

    As for Miles...doubt he was looking for trouble with that title. Dude's music never struck me that way, guessing you too.

    Plus, "bitchin" is kind of an 80s stoner thing :D

    Bitch though, often hurled.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,838
    hedonist said:

    Yeah, you know I love and respect Carlin - in fact, I was so eager to respond to your third paragraph I totally missed the last one - and what I initially wrote spoke to both context and intent. After previewing, backspaced post-haste! ...but dig we see this similarly.

    As for Miles...doubt he was looking for trouble with that title. Dude's music never struck me that way, guessing you too.

    Plus, "bitchin" is kind of an 80s stoner thing :D

    Bitch though, often hurled.

    What makes this tough is that in hip hop circles- particularly black hip hop circles- the use (or abuse) of the word "bitch" is defended strongly as something cultural. And that's where it gets tricky. When is it ok? When not? For example, in Jim Jarmusch's excellent film, Ghost Dog, there are hip hop pieces that use the word bitch a number of times. I can't imagine Jarmusch or RZA or Forest Whitaker as being sexist womanizers are abusers and yet to me, with my somewhat limited exposure to the music, it sounds demeaning. And in some circles I'm pretty sure I'd have my fuzzy dice tied in a knot for even suggesting that it is.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,838
    brianlux said:

    hedonist said:

    Yeah, you know I love and respect Carlin - in fact, I was so eager to respond to your third paragraph I totally missed the last one - and what I initially wrote spoke to both context and intent. After previewing, backspaced post-haste! ...but dig we see this similarly.

    As for Miles...doubt he was looking for trouble with that title. Dude's music never struck me that way, guessing you too.

    Plus, "bitchin" is kind of an 80s stoner thing :D

    Bitch though, often hurled.

    What makes this tough is that in hip hop circles- particularly black hip hop circles- the use (or abuse) of the word "bitch" is defended strongly as something cultural. And that's where it gets tricky. When is it ok? When not? For example, in Jim Jarmusch's excellent film, Ghost Dog, there are hip hop pieces that use the word bitch a number of times. I can't imagine Jarmusch or RZA or Forest Whitaker as being sexist womanizers are abusers and yet to me, with my somewhat limited exposure to the music, it sounds demeaning. And in some circles I'm pretty sure I'd have my fuzzy dice tied in a knot for even suggesting that it might be.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • wall232
    wall232 New York Posts: 1,346
    Now I hear Adrian Peterson has been charged with child abuse for beating his son with a tree branch. This is getting ugly in the NFL.
    NYPJ

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