Reasonable US Position on Israel-Palestine

Byrnzie said:

brianlux said:

JimmyV said:

dancinacrossthewater said:

This got pretty bitchy pretty fast

Yep. Unnecessarily too.

Yeah- the whole point for some here anymore seems to be striking out against other posters, seeing who can be more sarcastic and clever and insulting. Not exactly a very productive way to talk about serious issues. Most of us here find no use or interest in the petty bantering. Good to know others here feel the same way.

Good time to practice the "ignore" button... although I think I've tried every key and button, f key and ctrl combo and still can't find that damn "ignore" button, hahaha!

I hope you find it soon. Anything to put an end to all the petty bitching and phoney indignation.

Then maybe the rest of us can have a serious discussion without a bunch of thin-skinned people getting offended every five minutes.

dancinacrossthewater said:

Byrnzie said:

dancinacrossthewater said:

Byrnzke, just as an example, if you could try and go 5 posts on the subject without using the phrase 'illegal land-grab,' it'd be nice. Not because you're not entitled to argue that Israeli grabbed land over the course of its existence, but because everybody knows that's how you feel about the way Israel acquired territory over the course of its existence, and you just repeating that phrase over and over again does nothing for the conversation at this point. Before the Imagine That thread was locked, for example, bad brains' contributions sometimes got me to think about/clarify/modify my own position. That kind of exchange is constructive. You constantly repeating the same phrase like you're on autopilot isn't.

But is an illegal land-grab. So why would you want to pretend otherwise?

Like I said above, which seemed to offend all of the easily offended people, if we can have a discussion from a position of basic honesty and reference to the factual record, instead of indulging personal fantasies, then we might get somewhere - we may get to a point where we can begin to focus on effective strategies by which to protest what's going on. In the meantime, personal opinions, fantasies and lies, simply clog up the arteries.

http://www.btselem.org/settlements/international_law

The establishment of settlements in the West Bank violates international humanitarian law which establishes principles that apply during war and occupation. Moreover, the settlements lead to the infringement of international human rights law.

The Fourth Geneva Convention prohibits an occupying power from transferring citizens from its own territory to the occupied territory (Article 49). The Hague Regulations prohibit an occupying power from undertaking permanent changes in the occupied area unless these are due to military needs in the narrow sense of the term, or unless they are undertaken for the benefit of the local population.

The establishment of settlements results in the violation of the rights of Palestinians as enshrined in international human rights law. Among other violations, the settlements infringe the right to self-determination, equality, property, an adequate standard of living, and freedom of movement.

I'm against the settlements man. Get em outta there. Gone. The continued existence of settlements is one reason I'd possibly support certain kinds of BDS.

Now what constructive criticism would you offer Hamas?

rr165892 said:

We are all on a freakin Rock band message board.We all have that in common.Right of the bat we have that brotherhood as a common thread.If we were at a show,none of this would matter to our fellow fans.So its all good.
If someone puts a passioned and well researched opinion out for all to see and read,we have the choice to make our own opinion of it.Dig deeper or take it at face value.I don't agree (on this subject) with a lot of the views expressed here but on other threads I may agree with that person alot on another topic.You can't take this shit personally.