Gaza ***GRAPHIC PICS***
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Yeah, I'll choose this thread out of all the threads to post this in. Nice pictures by the way. I'm sure both side could show something like this if one side was not able to "shoot missiles out of the sky". Anyway, if one side could wipe the other side off the map, it wouldn't matter because some freak who has come to my country would hold some grudge against the other side that it will never go away. So as I see it, have at it over there, and anybody who wants to join the pathetic protests downtown where one side on one side of the street is bickering about it with the other side of the street as if they have not left the flea ridden shit hole where they came from to bring it over here, and still argue about it. I wonder how it will ever stop? Yeah, anyway, feel so strong about it, hop on the next fucking plane from Canada and take up the arms for your favourite side. Do me and many here the BIG favour!
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i dont disagree with you, i edited the original post. i think its just a sketch not an actual photo.benjs said:
I really question what purpose could possibly be served by posting something like this. Even your message of "the US does what ever Israel requests" is spelled out in such a demeaning way that it couldn't possibly sway the opinion of someone who thinks otherwise, and it will intensify the hatred towards both Israel and the US - something which, go figure, I find to be destructive in terms of negotiating an everlasting peace in the region. This is a pathetic and slanderous and, quite frankly, lazy attack on character, when several sentences could've made the same message visible - even with supporting evidence. JC29856, I'll repeat myself again: why do you feel the urge to degrade the quality of opinion of those who share your stance by resorting to childish 'flame war'-esque nonsense? Not only is it ineffective, but it is hurting your cause.JC29856 said:FOREPLAY!
what about the 2 below it? i think they are real photos not sketches. what about the little girl in the first one, "better his than mine"? how about the mom in the second one, you think she is excited about collecting on the life insurance?0 -
I'm 100% certain that I didn't say anything about those two photos.JC29856 said:
i dont disagree with you, i edited the original post. i think its just a sketch not an actual photo.benjs said:
I really question what purpose could possibly be served by posting something like this. Even your message of "the US does what ever Israel requests" is spelled out in such a demeaning way that it couldn't possibly sway the opinion of someone who thinks otherwise, and it will intensify the hatred towards both Israel and the US - something which, go figure, I find to be destructive in terms of negotiating an everlasting peace in the region. This is a pathetic and slanderous and, quite frankly, lazy attack on character, when several sentences could've made the same message visible - even with supporting evidence. JC29856, I'll repeat myself again: why do you feel the urge to degrade the quality of opinion of those who share your stance by resorting to childish 'flame war'-esque nonsense? Not only is it ineffective, but it is hurting your cause.JC29856 said:FOREPLAY!
what about the 2 below it? i think they are real photos not sketches. what about the little girl in the first one, "better his than mine"? how about the mom in the second one, you think she is excited about collecting on the life insurance?'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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6 holocaust survivors speak on Palestine.
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How Israel Used Its Own Civilians as Human Shields While Assaulting Gaza
By Max Blumenthal
Throughout the ongoing assault on the Gaza Strip, perhaps no phrase has featured as prominently or persistently in the lexicon of Israeli propaganda as “human shields.” Repeated in stentorian fashion by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and a heavily regimented army of 10,000 public relations flacks, the phrase has been ruthlessly deployed to shield Israel from responsibility for the bloodbath it has caused in Gaza. Israel has killed 1,800 civilians in a matter of weeks, including some 430 children, but it was Hamas that forced them to do it.
Like so many Zionist accusations against Palestinian society (“They only understand force,” “They teach their children to hate,” “They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity”) the human shields slander is a projection. Israel is the most militarized society on earth, with soldiers and military installations honeycombed throughout its civil society. With full military conscription for all men and women and reserve duty required for all Jews until they reach their 40s, Jewish Israelis alternate constantly between the role of civilian and soldier, blurring the line between the two.
Within one of Tel Aviv’s most densely populated neighborhoods sits Ha’Kirya, the army’s headquarters, a gigantic complex of monolithic buildings that house the offices where attacks on Gaza are planned. The uniformed officers and soldiers who work inside take lunch in the cafes and shop in the malls surrounding their offices, embedding themselves among the civilian population. A military base is nestled in the middle of the campus of Haifa University while Hebrew and Tel Aviv Universities offer military officers free tuition, encouraging their enrollment and allowing them to carry weapons on campus. It is hard to find a henhouse, flophouse, or fieldhouse anywhere in Israel without some kind of military presence.
In an editorial for the Israeli daily, Yedioth Aharonot, veteran Israeli military advisor Giora Eiland argued in favor of collectively punishing Gaza’s civilian population. “In order to guarantee our interests versus the other side’s demands, we must avoid the artificial, wrong and dangerous distinction between the Hamas people, who are ‘the bad guys,’ and Gaza's residents, which are allegedly ‘the good guys.’”
Naturally, Eiland failed to consider the terrible implications of eliminating the distinction between civilians and the armed factions that move among them: If his logic were inverted to apply to Israeli society, where civilians are soldiers and soldiers are civilians, almost every Jewish Israeli citizen could be considered a legitimate target.
Most vulnerable among the Jewish Israeli public are residents of the communities surrounding the Gaza Strip. Many of these working class development towns and kibbutzim were planted during the 1950s in place of the Palestinians who had just been forcibly expelled. In al-Majdal Asqalan, now known as Ashkelon, Jewish immigrants from the Middle East were literally trucked in to replace the Palestinians who had been held within a barbed wire enclosure before being outcasted to Gaza. Today, these largely neglected communities form a human wall against the demographic threat tucked behind a high-tech cordon sanitaire just to their south.
Not only do Israel’s southern communities exist under the threat of rocket and mortar attacks from those they displaced, they are routinely used as shelters and temporary bases by the Israeli army.
Renan Raz, a 26-year-old waiter and anti-occupation activist now living in Tel Aviv, remembers the anguish he experienced when the army arrived in Dorot, the southern kibbutz where he was born and raised. It was the height of Operation Cast Lead, the Israeli assault on that left over 1400 Palestinian Gazans dead, mostly civilians, between December 2008 and January 2009.
“Most of the days soldiers were fighting in the Gaza Strip in the morning and in the evening they were coming back to our kibbutz, bringing their weapons there, they were sleeping there, and sometimes they were practicing [military drills] in the fields, in the kibbutz grass — they were hiding there and making plans,” Raz told me. “The way I saw it, they were using us as human shields.”
Raz recalled, “We were right on the border of the Gaza Strip and they were practicing in the fields with weaponry, whether it’s with their rifle or armored vehicles. I could hear explosions [from the fields] while they were practicing and maybe even shooting things into Gaza.”
“We are a sick military society,” he continued. “You can’t say Hamas is using their civilians as a human shield when it’s obvious that our army is using all of us as human shields. And those of us who live near the Gaza Strip are definitely the biggest human shields.”
Raz remembers being almost alone in raising questions about the presence of the soldiers. “People were so happy, they were really proud of them. Each day after they came out of the Gaza Strip, in the [kibbutz] dining room, if it was lunch or dinner, there was food waiting for them,” he said. “They came into our houses and used our showers and relaxed there. People wrote letters to them after they left the kibbutz thanking them for risking their lives for us. Not only in the kibbutz but all over Israel they are seen as the most sacred thing. People treat them as angels, as people who put their own lives at risk so civilians can live at peace.”
Having already refused army service in defiance of his country’s militarist ethos, Raz turned solidly against the attack on Gaza. “Whenever there was a rocket alarm, all the people around me were shouting, Death to leftists! and Death to Arabs! And I just wanted to have a better life for everyone. I don’t want to be intimidated by the rockets but I also don’t want the people in Gaza to be bombed and massacred for no reason. I realized that this is the oppressed and the oppressor — it wasn’t self-defense.”
During the current assault on Gaza, Israeli forces have returned to the communities surrounding Gaza to bivouac and stage attacks. However, the fear of “terror tunnels” and rockets has led many of the local residents to flee, leaving virtual ghost towns in their wake.
In a recorded message broadcast on July 29 by al-Aqsa television, Izzedin al-Qassam Brigades general commander Mohammad Daif declared that Gaza fighters were exclusively targeting active duty Israeli military personnel and avoiding attacks on civilians. So far, the Qassam Brigades have killed 65 Israeli soldiers, two Israeli civilians, one Thai worker, and wounded a kibbutz owl.
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Every single day that this offensive continues, Israel's reputation is further eroded. I have never heard this many people in my day to day conversations express emotions from concern to disgust to outright anger over what Israel is doing.___________________________________________
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1,903 Murdered:
449 Children
246 Women
87 Elderly
9,840 Injured:
3,004 Children
1,907 Women
359 Elder
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For the entire world. It's a horrific event to try and reconcile. Very, very frustrating.JC29856 said:1,903 Murdered:
449 Children
246 Women
87 Elderly
9,840 Injured:
3,004 Children
1,907 Women
359 Elder
Psychological effects?
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i quit reading about this for the last week. i caught up a bit today. it is worse than i thought it was.
i started posting about this on facebook friday night and have lost a bunch of friends over it. my post was initially stating that "we can give all of these billions of dollars to israel and millions to bomb iraq again, but we can't get fucking water for americans living in and around detroit."
someone derailed it and started talking about how israel needs every penny of that money. so i started posting facts. i got called mel gibson, and got called an anti semite and a racist, when i made no racist statements. i pointed out facts about israel breaking more cease fires, i talked about the settlements, zionism, international law, i talked about 242, the stealing of land, all of it. then this jewish guy was calling all palestinians pigs and dogs and roaches and saying that the arab countries do not even want to help the palestinians because they are such lowlife roaches, and that the palestinians should be wiped off the map, and all this other stuff. a friend chimed in and took the guy to task too. next thing i know i woke up the next day and all of that dude's posts were deleted and he not only unfriended me, but blocked me.
this is what happens when you calmly state facts to someone who is an israel apologist. he made himself look like an asshole all over facebook, and the only way he could save face is to delete all of his posts..
i guess what i am trying to say is i can leave here for a week, and this story still follows me and i can't escape it. i hope there can be not just peace, but justice for the palestinians."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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I need some context before judging these photos. It bothers me that people will look at photos with no context at all given and apply absolute meaning to them. Not necessarily saying the implied message here isn't true, but it's always a bad idea to assume that. There a lot of out of context photos being used as propaganda in this conflict. I am interested in the truth alone.badbrains said:Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
I'm really sorry this happened to you... I'm finding the same thing. My own mother basically ignores me when I talk about the injustices in the Palestinian regions too. As for my friends from my Birthright trip - well, let's just put it this way: there's nothing I hate more than someone telling me what I should think without presenting the logic behind it (or ignoring logic when they're proven wrong), and as a result, I've lost some friends too. The mental gymnastics people go through to ignore the truths they don't want to hear leave me completely speechless.gimmesometruth27 said:i quit reading about this for the last week. i caught up a bit today. it is worse than i thought it was.
i started posting about this on facebook friday night and have lost a bunch of friends over it. my post was initially stating that "we can give all of these billions of dollars to israel and millions to bomb iraq again, but we can't get fucking water for americans living in and around detroit."
someone derailed it and started talking about how israel needs every penny of that money. so i started posting facts. i got called mel gibson, and got called an anti semite and a racist, when i made no racist statements. i pointed out facts about israel breaking more cease fires, i talked about the settlements, zionism, international law, i talked about 242, the stealing of land, all of it. then this jewish guy was calling all palestinians pigs and dogs and roaches and saying that the arab countries do not even want to help the palestinians because they are such lowlife roaches, and that the palestinians should be wiped off the map, and all this other stuff. a friend chimed in and took the guy to task too. next thing i know i woke up the next day and all of that dude's posts were deleted and he not only unfriended me, but blocked me.
this is what happens when you calmly state facts to someone who is an israel apologist. he made himself look like an asshole all over facebook, and the only way he could save face is to delete all of his posts..
i guess what i am trying to say is i can leave here for a week, and this story still follows me and i can't escape it. i hope there can be not just peace, but justice for the palestinians.
Meanwhile, I do think that if people put half the energy they put into "Am Yisrael Chai" and "Free, Free Palestine" chants on the street (meaningless tribal mantras which lock you into a 'side' and providing you with an 'enemy') into actually informing themselves on the complexities of the situation the way I'm proud to say we have been here - I think we'd be a hell of a lot closer to justice than the way things are currently, where rallies turn into shouting matches, and people leave no more educated about the problems than when they showed up to protest the first place.
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I can look at these pics and see that 2 of them are not in gaza. Not hard to see that. I seriously give up with you. You simply amaze me with your responses. You can't see a fucken grandma being attacked by an idf dog? Are u seriously blind. And dnt preach peace to me in here cuz this IS the GAZA thread. To suggest these pics are some fucken form of propaganda is unreal. You seriously need to look in the mirror. What if that was your fucken grandma? What if that was your sister being choked, what if that was your mom being attacked by those settler thugs? Wouldn't be questioning those pics then ey? Wow, wow, wow, your response was truly amazing. Propaganda she said, what the fuck u think those women were attacked for? Seriously, what could they have done to provoke that. I can't wait to hear your response.....PJ_Soul said:
I need some context before judging these photos. It bothers me that people will look at photos with no context at all given and apply absolute meaning to them. Not necessarily saying the implied message here isn't true, but it's always a bad idea to assume that. There a lot of out of context photos being used as propaganda in this conflict. I am interested in the truth alone.badbrains said:
Edit- it's dumb ass responses that are getting the "informers" pissed and angry.Post edited by badbrains on0
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