Police abuse

Glad to see action was taken.

unsung said:

Maybe there's something to that.
I posted on the guy getting choked to death, it's bullshit and it needs to stop.


Maybe someone can answer me this...

You are walking down the street, minding your own business, doing nothing wrong and someone tackles you and starts beating you into submission. What do you do?

i am not able to answer this. back in 2008-2011 i was doing mma and bjj so, i am a little better at calmly taking beatings than a lot of people.

i do know with 100% certainty that i would not pull a george zimmerman though.

unsung said:

You are getting beat to the point of passing out, again you haven't done anything wrong.

What do you do? Be general. Do you pass out or do you fight back?

it depends.

it depends on if i saw the guy and where he was. it depends on where he hits me. if he hits me in the back of the head and i don't see him, i would be in trouble and end up passing out. if he squares up on me in front of me and hits me, i have a better chance. after that, it depends on positioning. if i am on my back, like zimmerman, i am grabbing and pulling him on top of me. like as close to chest to chest as possible so he can't strike me with his hands. he would have to bite or headbutt me, or try to elbow me, but if he is a big guy he probably is not flexible enough to throw dangerous elbows if he is up on me chest to chest like that. it is called putting them into the guard. haymakers are from distance. if you watch ufc, most guys use this strategy because it keeps them from getting ko'd. you can eat a lot of quick shots from up close with relatively little damage because they do not have that big distance to gain momentum and velocity. this was my biggest issue with zimmerman's defense. if trayvon was pummeling him quickly he would have struggled to get his gun because he would have been getting jackhammered with quick shots. i was not a wrestler so i was never freaked out about being on my back. i worked most submissions better from my back. but all of this depends on the situation. these days i would try to get away. it is not worth it to even strike a cop, even if in self defense, because if i survive and there is evidence i struck him, i am the one going to jail because the law is on the side of the officer.

unsung said:

You're missing my point, it really is this simple.

You're about to die, do you fight back or just die?

when you say " you are missing my point" in reality you are just saying tell me what I want to hear. of course you fight back. the question is how do you fight back.

as alot of people here have said, if you have 2 people walking down the street and both have any type of weapon, the one who is looking to use for violence will always have an advantage over the one using it for protection.

unsung said:

Ok, now why does your response change because your attacker happens to be a cop?

Same thing, life or death. Fight back or submit?

I think anytime you are dealing with the police, you have to take a leap of faith that they will act as they have been trained to do.

We know where you are going with this Unsung. The isolated incidents you continue to post on here of cops acting badly are 'outliers' compared to the infinite amount of good policing that occurs on a daily basis.

If a person is respectful and cooperative, 99.99999% of the time... police do not place you in choke holds.

Edit: So submit. But even before that... don't let your attitude allow the situation to spiral out of control.

unsung said:

Ok, now why does your response change because your attacker happens to be a cop?

Same thing, life or death. Fight back or submit?

Till you've had a cop jump on you......

If you resist and cop identified himself your chances went down. Likely they have gun and I won't. If I had a gun not getting into gun battle with them. Yes it sucks but it is what it is.