Police abuse

fife

unsung said:

A good cop that ignores the behavior of the bad cops is just as bad if not worse.

thats a nice slogan. what does that mean to you? do you mean all cops are bad?

unsung

It's pretty self explanatory. If you can't figure out the meaning go get a dictionary.

fife

unsung said:

It's pretty self explanatory. If you can't figure out the meaning go get a dictionary.

so who defines bad cop. lets say that a cop has been great all the time and then makes a mistake one day. is that a bad cop?

I actually do own a dictionary but I didn't ask you what the word meant, i ask you what you meant by them.

jeffbr

Here's an interesting and relevant article about cops and dogs:
http://reason.com/archives/2014/08/06/its-time-for-cops-to-stop-shooting-dogs

"If the U.S. were overrun by dangerous dogs, you would think we’d hear a lot more about a biting epidemic. Yet postal workers, meter readers and pizza deliverymen—among others—all manage to do their jobs without either getting maimed by pets or killing them. It seems awfully curious that police officers seem to be the only ones who face such a stark either/or."

rgambs

power. Those who seek it dont deserve it! Doesnt need clarified further. Police serve 90% of the time and protect 10%. Even cops who dont abuse their power are hypocrits when they issue citations for marijuana use, speeding, and even drunk driving often.

fife

jeffbr said:

Here's an interesting and relevant article about cops and dogs:
http://reason.com/archives/2014/08/06/its-time-for-cops-to-stop-shooting-dogs

"If the U.S. were overrun by dangerous dogs, you would think we’d hear a lot more about a biting epidemic. Yet postal workers, meter readers and pizza deliverymen—among others—all manage to do their jobs without either getting maimed by pets or killing them. It seems awfully curious that police officers seem to be the only ones who face such a stark either/or."

thanks for the story. it was interesting. it wasn't a well written story bit interesting.

jeffbr

fife said:

jeffbr said:

Here's an interesting and relevant article about cops and dogs:
http://reason.com/archives/2014/08/06/its-time-for-cops-to-stop-shooting-dogs

"If the U.S. were overrun by dangerous dogs, you would think we’d hear a lot more about a biting epidemic. Yet postal workers, meter readers and pizza deliverymen—among others—all manage to do their jobs without either getting maimed by pets or killing them. It seems awfully curious that police officers seem to be the only ones who face such a stark either/or."

thanks for the story. it was interesting. it wasn't a well written story bit interesting.

Lol. I agree with the "wasn't a well written story". Almost didn't post the link because of that. But some good points were made.

fife

rgambs said:

power. Those who seek it dont deserve it! Doesnt need clarified further. Police serve 90% of the time and protect 10%. Even cops who dont abuse their power are hypocrits when they issue citations for marijuana use, speeding, and even drunk driving often.

why are they hypocrites for giving citations for speeding, marijuana use and drunk driving?

can you give me examples of how police "serve 90% of the time and protect 10%"?

rgambs

because nearly all of them use substances more dangerous than marijuana (alcohol and pharmaceuticals), they ALL speed, and they nearly all drive or have driven under the influence. If you dont agree i would invite you to experience the real world for a change. I have no facts and figures, I dont need them, i live in reality where its obvious that most of police man-hours go toward enforcing traffic laws for profit.

rgambs

we need much stricter controls for both the hiring and supervising of civil servants who are given such encompassing powers

jeffbr

rgambs said:

I have no facts and figures, I dont need them, i live in reality where its obvious that most of police man-hours go toward enforcing traffic laws for profit.

I tend to agree with this. I refer to cops as armed revenue agents. That's their primary job as far as I can tell.

I also agree with your post above regarding tighter controls needed. The feds (DoJ) had to squash Seattle PD, and put them on an improvement plan because too many people were having their rights violated (and lives taken) by cops using excessive force.

fife

rgambs said:

because nearly all of them use substances more dangerous than marijuana (alcohol and pharmaceuticals), they ALL speed, and they nearly all drive or have driven under the influence. If you dont agree i would invite you to experience the real world for a change. I have no facts and figures, I dont need them, i live in reality where its obvious that most of police man-hours go toward enforcing traffic laws for profit.

I love this " I have no facts and firgures" you should run for for office with that slogan. you have no idea about what world i live in.

how many cops you know? when is the last time you actually talked to a cop cause i do it alot in my job.

as for traffic laws, a cop should not pull over a car speeding in a resident place? did these cops create the laws? should they not do their job as dictated to them by their bosses? so a cop has to be perfect in everything if they want to be a cop?

fife

rgambs said:

we need much stricter controls for both the hiring and supervising of civil servants who are given such encompassing powers

I agree 100% on this statement.

rgambs

fife said:

rgambs said:

because nearly all of them use substances more dangerous than marijuana (alcohol and pharmaceuticals), they ALL speed, and they nearly all drive or have driven under the influence. If you dont agree i would invite you to experience the real world for a change. I have no facts and figures, I dont need them, i live in reality where its obvious that most of police man-hours go toward enforcing traffic laws for profit.

I love this " I have no facts and firgures" you should run for for office with that slogan. you have no idea about what world i live in.

how many cops you know? when is the last time you actually talked to a cop cause i do it alot in my job.

as for traffic laws, a cop should not pull over a car speeding in a resident place? did these cops create the laws? should they not do their job as dictated to them by their bosses? so a cop has to be perfect in everything if they want to be a cop?

well you can talk to 1000s of cops in your job (some sort of social worker right? Good on you for that!!) and it goes for nothing to this discussion. Talk to them in their outside lives, where their guard is down, and you get the real truth! What kind of idiot cop admits malfeasance when on the job?? I am drawing from a small sample of 7 or 8 smallish town police officers who I have had personal, not professional, relationships with. They drink, sometimes they drive after having a few, they speed and violate other laws, and they will admit it because they know their "brothers" wouldnt dare do anything.
As far as taking orders, right is right and wrong is wrong, Nazi soldier or American cop, it doesnt matter. Citing a young adult for marijuana use is WRONG! It precludes a person from receiving federal financial aid, thereby ruining a life. And if you drink you are in no position to judge a user of pot!
Regarding speeding, I understand the reason for the law and those busted going dangerously fast in residential zones of course should be busted. But you cant legitimately defend hiding under highway overpasses to bust people driving 75mph when you do the same in your life. To quote an ex-cop "i got tired of ruining peoples days for violating laws that NOBODY obeys at all times. It's so arbitrary. The last speeder I cited said "thank you for picking me today, now im going to be late and lose my job. Who's gonna feed my kids until i can find a new one?" " he quit soon after this incident. Good guy!

fife

rgambs said:

fife said:

rgambs said:

because nearly all of them use substances more dangerous than marijuana (alcohol and pharmaceuticals), they ALL speed, and they nearly all drive or have driven under the influence. If you dont agree i would invite you to experience the real world for a change. I have no facts and figures, I dont need them, i live in reality where its obvious that most of police man-hours go toward enforcing traffic laws for profit.

I love this " I have no facts and firgures" you should run for for office with that slogan. you have no idea about what world i live in.

how many cops you know? when is the last time you actually talked to a cop cause i do it alot in my job.

as for traffic laws, a cop should not pull over a car speeding in a resident place? did these cops create the laws? should they not do their job as dictated to them by their bosses? so a cop has to be perfect in everything if they want to be a cop?

well you can talk to 1000s of cops in your job (some sort of social worker right? Good on you for that!!) and it goes for nothing to this discussion. Talk to them in their outside lives, where their guard is down, and you get the real truth! What kind of idiot cop admits malfeasance when on the job?? I am drawing from a small sample of 7 or 8 smallish town police officers who I have had personal, not professional, relationships with. They drink, sometimes they drive after having a few, they speed and violate other laws, and they will admit it because they know their "brothers" wouldnt dare do anything.
As far as taking orders, right is right and wrong is wrong, Nazi soldier or American cop, it doesnt matter. Citing a young adult for marijuana use is WRONG! It precludes a person from receiving federal financial aid, thereby ruining a life. And if you drink you are in no position to judge a user of pot!
Regarding speeding, I understand the reason for the law and those busted going dangerously fast in residential zones of course should be busted. But you cant legitimately defend hiding under highway overpasses to bust people driving 75mph when you do the same in your life. To quote an ex-cop "i got tired of ruining peoples days for violating laws that NOBODY obeys at all times. It's so arbitrary. The last speeder I cited said "thank you for picking me today, now im going to be late and lose my job. Who's gonna feed my kids until i can find a new one?" " he quit soon after this incident. Good guy!

yes I am a social worker and don't get me wrong. i have major issues with some cops like i said before. cops are people and just like people cops are flawed. its why i agreed with your statement about better hiring and supervision.

I think we will both agree that some laws are really stupid. the challenge is: if a cop is swore to follow the laws that are in place should that cop not do his or her job?

I find some cops are strict letter of the law and some are the good ones who follow the spirit of the law.

for me, I would rather fight the laws that are in place. those laws are created by politicians not by cops.

also concerning your story, good on the cop. actually, i wish he stayed on as being a cop cause he could have made changes to the system. hopefully he/she is doing that now.

rgambs

yeah he was a state highway patrolman (in ohio they have a reputation for being paramilitary assholes) and i agree, it would be nice to have him out there looking after people and keeping us safe! It wasnt jiving with the other coppers so he works in a factory now..makes alot more money, and thats another big problem..why should we expect much from cops, firemen, teachers, when they get paid so little? They should be better compensated, that alone would cause them to raise their standards of admission!

unsung

Who is forcing them to take the job for that pay? Do they not know what the details are prior to applying? Are they not free to leave if the demands exceed their stress levels?

rgambs

unsung said:

Who is forcing them to take the job for that pay? Do they not know what the details are prior to applying? Are they not free to leave if the demands exceed their stress levels?

who are you arguing with? I was offering a solution to improve the state of policing, not defending police work as it stands.
Do you not agree that someone given the authority to physically detain a person should be thoroughly vetted and well compensated? Would that not raise the standard? What solution do you favor if this isnt acceptable?

fife

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unsung said:

Who is forcing them to take the job for that pay? Do they not know what the details are prior to applying? Are they not free to leave if the demands exceed their stress levels?

no one is talking about this at all. do you not agree that you would get better police officer if they were paid more and there fore raise the standard of policing. if you pay crap, you will get alot of crap.

fife

sorry rgambs, i just saw that you wrote the same thing basically to unsung.