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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Just so that history isn't forgotten in the 112th Congress the House passed an immigration bill 389-15.
Harry Reid refused to bring it to a vote.
Just so we are clear.
Who is the roadblock again?0 -
History likely will never forget the 112th Congress. It has been the most unproductive Congress since the 1940's when records began to be kept on such matters. I'm sorry, there is the 113th Congress which is on record to be less productive than the 112th. Just because a bill was passed and sent to the Senate does not mean it was a GOOD bill. They passed a myriad of bills on abortion, contraception, naming of post offices and of course voted to repeal 'Obamacare' over 50 times. From where does obstruction come? Many places. I, however, have never seen such complete nonsense in my many decades of being politically aware as the present.
A jobs bill is sitting in the Congress for the past several years and Boehner refuses to bring it to the floor. Why? The Congress calls for hearings about Benghazi; but refused to vote for increased spending for embassy protection. Why? Does it have anything to do with completely de-legitimatizing this President? Why? Now there are calls for impeachment. Why? Please answer those questions and then i will seriously consider the immigration bill from the 112th.
Obstructionists? The filibuster abuse in the Senate by the minority and the tea party influence on the Republican lead Congress; which is aided by the gerrymandering that Republicans did after the last census. Period.0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487389-15.
A lot of democrats voted for that. Harry Reid refused to listen just like he refused to audit the fed when the House passed it with both parties supporting it.
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Of what "history" do you speak? Is it HR-3012? Or HR-1933? HR-3012, of which I think you referenced as it passed the 112th Congress 389-15 is the bill you're referring to (it was the only House bill that I could find regarding immigration with the vote tally you reference). However, it also passed after House rules were suspended and a recorded vote was taken. Why the recorded vote? Because if it truly had the bi-partisan support that you trumpet and then lay the blame for eventual failure with Senator Reid, it would have passed on a voice vote. As it was, because the republicans suspended the rules, allowing 40 minutes of debate, and forcing a recorded vote, in hopes of using a nay vote against the democrats in the mid-terms, the democrats voted overwhelmingly for the bill knowing it wouldn't go anywhere in the Senate. There were actually more republican nay votes cast in the House vote. Regardless, its hardly a "sweeping" immigration reform bill that would address what we're seeing now. Politics at its worse. Remember, the republican leadership is on record as doing everything they can to make this president fail.unsung said:Just so that history isn't forgotten in the 112th Congress the House passed an immigration bill 389-15.
Harry Reid refused to bring it to a vote.
Just so we are clear.
Who is the roadblock again?
SUMMARY AS OF:
11/29/2011--Passed House amended. (There are 2 other summaries)
(This measure has not been amended since it was reported to the House on November 18, 2011. The summary of that version is repeated here.)
Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011 - Amends the Immigration and Nationality Act to: (1) eliminate the per country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, and (2) increase the per country numerical limitation for family based immigrants from 7% to 15% of the total number of family-sponsored visas.
Amends the Chinese Student Protection Act of 1992 to eliminate the provision requiring the reduction of annual Chinese (PRC) immigrant visas to offset status adjustments under such Act.
Sets forth the following transition period for employment-based second and third preference (EB-2 and EB-3) immigrant visas: (1) for FY2012, 15% of such visas allotted to natives of countries other than the two countries with the largest aggregate numbers of natives obtaining such visas in FY2010; (2) for FY2013, 10% of such visas allotted in each category to natives of countries other than the two with the largest aggregate numbers of natives obtaining such visas in FY2011; and (3) for FY2014, 10% of such visas allotted in each category to natives of countries other than the two with the largest aggregate numbers of natives obtaining such visas in FY2012.
Sets forth the following per country distribution rules: (1) for transition period visas, not more than 25% of the total number of EB-2 and EB-3 visas for natives of a single country; and (2) for non-transition period visas, not more than 85% of EB-2 and EB-3 visas for natives of a single country.
Provides that the amendments made by this Act will take place as if enacted on September 30, 2011, and shall apply beginning in FY2012.
http://www.congress-summary.com/B-112th-Congress/House_Bills_112th_Congress_B.html
But, but, but, it was Senator Grassley, REPUBLICAN of Iowa, who placed a hold on the bill, thus denying the senate the opportunity to bring it to the floor for a vote. However, Grassley and Senator Schumer resolved Grassley's differences, namely new H-1B enforcement language and Grassley released his hold. However, "other" senators, and I don't know who they are, are preparing to raise objections, thus preventing the bill from coming to the floor for a vote.
http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=37451
If my "history" is incorrect or I've mistakenly referenced the incorrect bill, please correct me. So, who is the roadblock?
Peace.
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Thank you for answering the question I asked unsung - to name the bill - details are very important.Halifax2TheMax said:
Of what "history" do you speak? Is it HR-3012? Or HR-1933? HR-3012, of which I think you referenced as it passed the 112th Congress 389-15 is the bill you're referring to (it was the only House bill that I could find regarding immigration with the vote tally you reference). However, it also passed after House rules were suspended and a recorded vote was taken. Why the recorded vote? Because if it truly had the bi-partisan support that you trumpet and then lay the blame for eventual failure with Senator Reid, it would have passed on a voice vote. As it was, because the republicans suspended the rules, allowing 40 minutes of debate, and forcing a recorded vote, in hopes of using a nay vote against the democrats in the mid-terms, the democrats voted overwhelmingly for the bill knowing it wouldn't go anywhere in the Senate. There were actually more republican nay votes cast in the House vote. Regardless, its hardly a "sweeping" immigration reform bill that would address what we're seeing now. Politics at its worse. Remember, the republican leadership is on record as doing everything they can to make this president fail.unsung said:Just so that history isn't forgotten in the 112th Congress the House passed an immigration bill 389-15.
Harry Reid refused to bring it to a vote.
Just so we are clear.
Who is the roadblock again?
SUMMARY AS OF:
11/29/2011--Passed House amended. (There are 2 other summaries)
(This measure has not been amended since it was reported to the House on November 18, 2011. The summary of that version is repeated here.)
Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011 - Amends the Immigration and Nationality Act to: (1) eliminate the per country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, and (2) increase the per country numerical limitation for family based immigrants from 7% to 15% of the total number of family-sponsored visas.
Amends the Chinese Student Protection Act of 1992 to eliminate the provision requiring the reduction of annual Chinese (PRC) immigrant visas to offset status adjustments under such Act.
Sets forth the following transition period for employment-based second and third preference (EB-2 and EB-3) immigrant visas: (1) for FY2012, 15% of such visas allotted to natives of countries other than the two countries with the largest aggregate numbers of natives obtaining such visas in FY2010; (2) for FY2013, 10% of such visas allotted in each category to natives of countries other than the two with the largest aggregate numbers of natives obtaining such visas in FY2011; and (3) for FY2014, 10% of such visas allotted in each category to natives of countries other than the two with the largest aggregate numbers of natives obtaining such visas in FY2012.
Sets forth the following per country distribution rules: (1) for transition period visas, not more than 25% of the total number of EB-2 and EB-3 visas for natives of a single country; and (2) for non-transition period visas, not more than 85% of EB-2 and EB-3 visas for natives of a single country.
Provides that the amendments made by this Act will take place as if enacted on September 30, 2011, and shall apply beginning in FY2012.
http://www.congress-summary.com/B-112th-Congress/House_Bills_112th_Congress_B.html
But, but, but, it was Senator Grassley, REPUBLICAN of Iowa, who placed a hold on the bill, thus denying the senate the opportunity to bring it to the floor for a vote. However, Grassley and Senator Schumer resolved Grassley's differences, namely new H-1B enforcement language and Grassley released his hold. However, "other" senators, and I don't know who they are, are preparing to raise objections, thus preventing the bill from coming to the floor for a vote.
http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=37451
If my "history" is incorrect or I've mistakenly referenced the incorrect bill, please correct me. So, who is the roadblock?
Peace.
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Actually, I don't find any of this funny in the least. There was a time when both sides were able to negotiate and come to terms where neither side got everything it wanted, but progress was made for the betterment of the country.unsung said:389-15.
A lot of democrats voted for that. Harry Reid refused to listen just like he refused to audit the fed when the House passed it with both parties supporting it.
Keep blaming the other side, it's really funny.
You don't know my political affiliation; so you wouldn't know who the 'other side' was in my case. Or maybe I don't have a 'side', just opinions on different issues which can vary along the political spectrum. I don't 'blame' political parties as a rule; however, it is pretty hard not to comprehend what has been going on ever since McConnell declared that the number one priority of the Republican Party would be to make Obama a one term President. I don't find that type of agenda to be helpful, legislative or ethical. I find it to be a declaration of obstruction.
But maybe I thought all that hopey, changey stuff might actual be good for the country. Stupid, idealistic me.
As a side note - from one of my favorite movies 1776 - John Adams: A second flood, a simple famine, plagues of locusts everywhere, or a cataclysmic earthquake, I'd accept with some despair. But no, You sent us Congress! Good God, Sir, was that fair?Post edited by njnancy on0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487I'm not quoting all of that. A lot of words that really doesn't say much.
Harry Reid is the roadblock. He never brought it to a vote because it didn't give blanket amnesty. The Democrats refuse to pass anything that doesn't have full amnesty for illegal aliens.
Details are important.
Harry Reid was also the roadblock on Audit the Fed, another bipartisan bill that he wouldn't bring to a vote.
My entire point was that both sides throw up their roadblocks.0 -
Both sides are at fault but the Republicans vote against not only from principle or what's good for the country but also to stem support for liberal agenda. They see the country transforming and are fighting it versus changing. They will ultimately have to change, maybe switching from both social and fiscal conservatism to more fiscal oriented. Good thing.
As to immigration we do have to be practical and that doesn't include open boarders as much as that sounds all wonderful.
It kills me when people blame the illegals. They have cajones risking life and limb coming here. Great workers we need to feed our economy. Also all my republican friends that are anti wetback have them cut their grass and build their homes. If we don't hire they would not come.10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Immigration reform is very simple.
1. Enforce the border.
2. Jail employers that hire them.
Problem solved.
Of course it won't happen because another bipartisan thing is that people like cheap labor, just like why they shop at Wal-Mart.0 -
Agree if we also add guest worker program.unsung said:Immigration reform is very simple.
1. Enforce the border.
2. Jail employers that hire them.
Problem solved.
Of course it won't happen because another bipartisan thing is that people like cheap labor, just like why they shop at Wal-Mart.Post edited by callen on10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG0 -
'A lot of words that really doesn't say much" (actually; a lot of words that don't really say much is the proper grammatical sentence). When I take the time to post my thoughts and opinions which are just as valid as anyone else's thoughts and opinions, including yours, and all you can say is that???? I am not going to get personal; however, when someone refuses to quote what you said and refuses to answer any questions that you ask of them and continues to say the same thing while, with one sentence, dismissing entire posts as words meaning nothing, then I feel that I have wasted my time discussing an issue with a person. I don't sit and think about what to say because i have nothing else to do or because i am a moron. Quite the contrary. So please, disagree if you wish, but do not tell people that their words mean nothing - that is what's wrong with Congress. Oh, wait, let me be Rush - it's Nancy (same name - oh my) Pelosi and Harry Reid and Obama (how the hell did he get elected - it's a scam!!!!!).unsung said:I'm not quoting all of that. A lot of words that really doesn't say much.
Harry Reid is the roadblock. He never brought it to a vote because it didn't give blanket amnesty. The Democrats refuse to pass anything that doesn't have full amnesty for illegal aliens.
Details are important.
Harry Reid was also the roadblock on Audit the Fed, another bipartisan bill that he wouldn't bring to a vote.
My entire point was that both sides throw up their roadblocks.
Details ARE important - that's why i posted those words - you didn't properly accredit them to me. I am on vacation and I am starting to feel a bit perturbed. If details are important - it would helpful if you posted some - you still haven't named the bill - someone else did. I thought this was a place for reasoned debate - saying 'i'm not quoting that, a lot of words that mean nothing - Harry Reid, Harry Reid' is not reasoned debate. It is insulting. I deserve better. So does this country.
Believe what you wish, I will not enter a discussion you start again. Fight me, tell me my facts are wrong, have a firmly held opposite opinion - but do not attempt to belittle my posts. Or give them an air of illegitimacy - hmmmm...sounds familiar.
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^^ Thanks brianlux! You can call me Nancy. (I've got 3 books with me - almost done with one) - so I'm gonna get off the train at the next stop - the beach stop of course and send my hannah strong pix i took this morning and then wrestle with big decisions like should i go to the pool or beach. Sorry i haven't stopped by the club car - it's always happy hour and I don't partake any longer. Have fun!>- 0
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^^^ Nancy it is. Have a great time either beach or pool!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
Actually I didn't quote the exact bill because as you said someone else had done so. See there's this thing called Google, which works really well for people with computers. I do most of my posting from my phone, so I leave it up to the intellegent individuals here to do their own research and not rely upon me to do so, after all who would take on an argument without having their facts? See how Halifax did it? Surely it is possible for others. So I deeply apologize for not answering your question, that was answered, surely one could see how out of line that was of me. I'm sorry that I did not stop everything that I was doing in order to do your research for you.njnancy said:
'A lot of words that really doesn't say much" (actually; a lot of words that don't really say much is the proper grammatical sentence). When I take the time to post my thoughts and opinions which are just as valid as anyone else's thoughts and opinions, including yours, and all you can say is that???? I am not going to get personal; however, when someone refuses to quote what you said and refuses to answer any questions that you ask of them and continues to say the same thing while, with one sentence, dismissing entire posts as words meaning nothing, then I feel that I have wasted my time discussing an issue with a person. I don't sit and think about what to say because i have nothing else to do or because i am a moron. Quite the contrary. So please, disagree if you wish, but do not tell people that their words mean nothing - that is what's wrong with Congress. Oh, wait, let me be Rush - it's Nancy (same name - oh my) Pelosi and Harry Reid and Obama (how the hell did he get elected - it's a scam!!!!!).unsung said:I'm not quoting all of that. A lot of words that really doesn't say much.
Harry Reid is the roadblock. He never brought it to a vote because it didn't give blanket amnesty. The Democrats refuse to pass anything that doesn't have full amnesty for illegal aliens.
Details are important.
Harry Reid was also the roadblock on Audit the Fed, another bipartisan bill that he wouldn't bring to a vote.
My entire point was that both sides throw up their roadblocks.
Details ARE important - that's why i posted those words - you didn't properly accredit them to me. I am on vacation and I am starting to feel a bit perturbed. If details are important - it would helpful if you posted some - you still haven't named the bill - someone else did. I thought this was a place for reasoned debate - saying 'i'm not quoting that, a lot of words that mean nothing - Harry Reid, Harry Reid' is not reasoned debate. It is insulting. I deserve better. So does this country.
Believe what you wish, I will not enter a discussion you start again. Fight me, tell me my facts are wrong, have a firmly held opposite opinion - but do not attempt to belittle my posts. Or give them an air of illegitimacy - hmmmm...sounds familiar.
Time for fresh air and ocean. Later.>-
In the mean time it sounds like you need a break, certainly it is not worth getting so wound up because someone did not immediately answer your previously answered question again. Your grammatical correction on my post is sincerely appreciated, I never would have been able to properly illustrate my point had that error not been flagged for all to see. Thank you for your thread contribution. Have a wonderful vacation, I look forward to corresponding with you in the future.
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We have one now. There's no need for reform, there's need to follow the laws that are written. Democrats don't want to follow the laws because they want blanket amnesty for these people so that they can become citizens. Citizenship means votes, and votes mean the one thing that all politicians crave the most because it gives them the one and only thing that they want... the retention of POWER.callen said:
Agree if we also add guest worker program.unsung said:Immigration reform is very simple.
1. Enforce the border.
2. Jail employers that hire them.
Problem solved.
Of course it won't happen because another bipartisan thing is that people like cheap labor, just like why they shop at Wal-Mart.
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Of what "history" do you speak? Is it HR-3012? Or HR-1933? HR-3012, of which I think you referenced as it passed the 112th Congress 389-15 is the bill you're referring to (it was the only House bill that I could find regarding immigration with the vote tally you reference). However, it also passed after House rules were suspended and a recorded vote was taken. Why the recorded vote? Because if it truly had the bi-partisan support that you trumpet and then lay the blame for eventual failure with Senator Reid, it would have passed on a voice vote. As it was, because the republicans suspended the rules, allowing 40 minutes of debate, and forcing a recorded vote, in hopes of using a nay vote against the democrats in the mid-terms, the democrats voted overwhelmingly for the bill knowing it wouldn't go anywhere in the Senate. There were actually more republican nay votes cast in the House vote. Regardless, its hardly a "sweeping" immigration reform bill that would address what we're seeing now. Politics at its worse. Remember, the republican leadership is on record as doing everything they can to make this president fail.unsung said:Just so that history isn't forgotten in the 112th Congress the House passed an immigration bill 389-15.
Harry Reid refused to bring it to a vote.
Just so we are clear.
Who is the roadblock again?
SUMMARY AS OF:
11/29/2011--Passed House amended. (There are 2 other summaries)
(This measure has not been amended since it was reported to the House on November 18, 2011. The summary of that version is repeated here.)
Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011 - Amends the Immigration and Nationality Act to: (1) eliminate the per country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, and (2) increase the per country numerical limitation for family based immigrants from 7% to 15% of the total number of family-sponsored visas.
Amends the Chinese Student Protection Act of 1992 to eliminate the provision requiring the reduction of annual Chinese (PRC) immigrant visas to offset status adjustments under such Act.
Sets forth the following transition period for employment-based second and third preference (EB-2 and EB-3) immigrant visas: (1) for FY2012, 15% of such visas allotted to natives of countries other than the two countries with the largest aggregate numbers of natives obtaining such visas in FY2010; (2) for FY2013, 10% of such visas allotted in each category to natives of countries other than the two with the largest aggregate numbers of natives obtaining such visas in FY2011; and (3) for FY2014, 10% of such visas allotted in each category to natives of countries other than the two with the largest aggregate numbers of natives obtaining such visas in FY2012.
Sets forth the following per country distribution rules: (1) for transition period visas, not more than 25% of the total number of EB-2 and EB-3 visas for natives of a single country; and (2) for non-transition period visas, not more than 85% of EB-2 and EB-3 visas for natives of a single country.
Provides that the amendments made by this Act will take place as if enacted on September 30, 2011, and shall apply beginning in FY2012.
http://www.congress-summary.com/B-112th-Congress/House_Bills_112th_Congress_B.html
But, but, but, it was Senator Grassley, REPUBLICAN of Iowa, who placed a hold on the bill, thus denying the senate the opportunity to bring it to the floor for a vote. However, Grassley and Senator Schumer resolved Grassley's differences, namely new H-1B enforcement language and Grassley released his hold. However, "other" senators, and I don't know who they are, are preparing to raise objections, thus preventing the bill from coming to the floor for a vote.
http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=37451
If my "history" is incorrect or I've mistakenly referenced the incorrect bill, please correct me. So, who is the roadblock?
Peace.
Damn it. Don't you just HATE facts? They always screw up my twisted, politically biased and completely made up opinions i form from watching T.V.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Here's an example of a truly bipartisan piece of legislation that address a problem everyone recognizes as needing fixing. An example you might have found had you done your research.unsung said:
We have one now. There's no need for reform, there's need to follow the laws that are written. Democrats don't want to follow the laws because they want blanket amnesty for these people so that they can become citizens. Citizenship means votes, and votes mean the one thing that all politicians crave the most because it gives them the one and only thing that they want... the retention of POWER.callen said:
Agree if we also add guest worker program.unsung said:Immigration reform is very simple.
1. Enforce the border.
2. Jail employers that hire them.
Problem solved.
Of course it won't happen because another bipartisan thing is that people like cheap labor, just like why they shop at Wal-Mart.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/immigration-bill-2013-senate-passes-93530.html
The House is not going to take up and vote on whatever the Senate passes,” Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) reemphasized on Thursday. “We’re going to do our own bill, through regular order, and it’ll be legislation that reflects the will of our majority and the will of the American people.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/immigration-bill-2013-senate-passes-93530_Page2.html#ixzz36F2eFArW
Again, who's the roadblock?
Peace.
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Why would the GOP submit to an amnesty package? They'd be cutting their own throats. I fully agree with not passing an amnesty package.Post edited by unsung on0
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Cosmo said:
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Of what "history" do you speak? Is it HR-3012? Or HR-1933? HR-3012, of which I think you referenced as it passed the 112th Congress 389-15 is the bill you're referring to (it was the only House bill that I could find regarding immigration with the vote tally you reference). However, it also passed after House rules were suspended and a recorded vote was taken. Why the recorded vote? Because if it truly had the bi-partisan support that you trumpet and then lay the blame for eventual failure with Senator Reid, it would have passed on a voice vote. As it was, because the republicans suspended the rules, allowing 40 minutes of debate, and forcing a recorded vote, in hopes of using a nay vote against the democrats in the mid-terms, the democrats voted overwhelmingly for the bill knowing it wouldn't go anywhere in the Senate. There were actually more republican nay votes cast in the House vote. Regardless, its hardly a "sweeping" immigration reform bill that would address what we're seeing now. Politics at its worse. Remember, the republican leadership is on record as doing everything they can to make this president fail.unsung said:Just so that history isn't forgotten in the 112th Congress the House passed an immigration bill 389-15.
Harry Reid refused to bring it to a vote.
Just so we are clear.
Who is the roadblock again?
SUMMARY AS OF:
11/29/2011--Passed House amended. (There are 2 other summaries)
(This measure has not been amended since it was reported to the House on November 18, 2011. The summary of that version is repeated here.)
Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011 - Amends the Immigration and Nationality Act to: (1) eliminate the per country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, and (2) increase the per country numerical limitation for family based immigrants from 7% to 15% of the total number of family-sponsored visas.
Amends the Chinese Student Protection Act of 1992 to eliminate the provision requiring the reduction of annual Chinese (PRC) immigrant visas to offset status adjustments under such Act.
Sets forth the following transition period for employment-based second and third preference (EB-2 and EB-3) immigrant visas: (1) for FY2012, 15% of such visas allotted to natives of countries other than the two countries with the largest aggregate numbers of natives obtaining such visas in FY2010; (2) for FY2013, 10% of such visas allotted in each category to natives of countries other than the two with the largest aggregate numbers of natives obtaining such visas in FY2011; and (3) for FY2014, 10% of such visas allotted in each category to natives of countries other than the two with the largest aggregate numbers of natives obtaining such visas in FY2012.
Sets forth the following per country distribution rules: (1) for transition period visas, not more than 25% of the total number of EB-2 and EB-3 visas for natives of a single country; and (2) for non-transition period visas, not more than 85% of EB-2 and EB-3 visas for natives of a single country.
Provides that the amendments made by this Act will take place as if enacted on September 30, 2011, and shall apply beginning in FY2012.
http://www.congress-summary.com/B-112th-Congress/House_Bills_112th_Congress_B.html
But, but, but, it was Senator Grassley, REPUBLICAN of Iowa, who placed a hold on the bill, thus denying the senate the opportunity to bring it to the floor for a vote. However, Grassley and Senator Schumer resolved Grassley's differences, namely new H-1B enforcement language and Grassley released his hold. However, "other" senators, and I don't know who they are, are preparing to raise objections, thus preventing the bill from coming to the floor for a vote.
http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=37451
If my "history" is incorrect or I've mistakenly referenced the incorrect bill, please correct me. So, who is the roadblock?
Peace.
Damn it. Don't you just HATE facts? They always screw up my twisted, politically biased and completely made up opinions i form from watching T.V.
See? It doesn't matter if I answer the question, people can't seem to read it anyway. NO amnesty.
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