Nancy Pelosi is a wing-nut

unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
http://patdollard.com/2014/06/nancy-pelosi-says-u-s-and-mexico-are-one-nation-a-community-with-a-border-going-through-it/

I don't know anything about the site so go ahead and critique it if you can't come up with anything else to say.



She is another clueless, out of touch, career politician. Her and Hillary and McCain can all go disappear at any time.
«1

Comments

  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,604
    I havent looked myself, but does this video appear to be the entire appearance and not just edited to fit this guys slant?

    Just trying to establish whether the video is presented in as objective way as possible.
    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • KatKat Posts: 4,871
    Did you know that when you look at the earth from the moon all that dirt you see doesn't have any lines on it. It's just a bunch of dirt with a bunch of humans all over it.

    :) Happy Sunday.
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • I haven't looked at the site, but I can say that drug consumption in the US has helped create a 'slum country' next to it where much of the production, manufacturing and distribution occurs... at a great societal cost as the cartels ruthlessly compete for as much of the lucrative drug trade as they can.

    Traditional way of life in many parts of Mexico has been replaced with survival on the streets. It's no wonder why many Mexicans are seeking to escape for a better life- left with little opportunity outside of working for the cartels or changing sheets in all-inclusive resorts.

    The violence and mayhem stemming from the production and distribution of illegal drugs the US enjoys is neatly contained in Mexico with a wall and active border patrols. It's quite the arrangement.

    Far fetched?

    In 2010, Juarez, once a cultural beacon near the Texas border, saw 3,110 murders and has become known as 'Murder City'. Directly across the Rio Grande River, El Paso had 5 murders- and to this day is consistently ranked as one of the safest large cities in America.

    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/8738-a-tale-of-two-cities-ciudad-juarez-and-el-paso

    Did you know that El Paso practically leads the country in total banking cash deposits... trailing only New York City?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,604


    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/8738-a-tale-of-two-cities-ciudad-juarez-and-el-paso

    Did you know that El Paso practically leads the country in total banking cash deposits... trailing only New York City?

    I'm not a betting man, but I'd wager a lot of that cash is drug money.
    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mickeyrat said:


    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/8738-a-tale-of-two-cities-ciudad-juarez-and-el-paso

    Did you know that El Paso practically leads the country in total banking cash deposits... trailing only New York City?

    I'm not a betting man, but I'd wager a lot of that cash is drug money.
    You'd be winning such a bet.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,047
    Kat said:

    Did you know that when you look at the earth from the moon all that dirt you see doesn't have any lines on it. It's just a bunch of dirt with a bunch of humans all over it.

    :) Happy Sunday.

    Ha! I love that, Kat!

    If we stop and think about it, political boundaries really are a bit absurd. Natural geographic boundaries make a bit more sense. Historically and culturally, Pelosi might have a point. Before us Gringos came along, what is now the southwestern U.S. and Mexico were all parts of a few geographic areas inhabited by many of the same peoples. Even today, many of those places on both sides of the border are somewhat difficult to distinguish- especially were it not for large, artificial fenced boundaries. I don't recall ever hearing about any First Nations people erecting such odd structures.

    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Kat said:

    Did you know that when you look at the earth from the moon all that dirt you see doesn't have any lines on it. It's just a bunch of dirt with a bunch of humans all over it.

    :) Happy Sunday.


    Obama just asked for $2B, with a B, to take care of these people.

    Did you know that somebody has to pay for that?

  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Always thought that immigrants from the south are the native Americans and we are the illegals.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,047
    callen said:

    Always thought that immigrants from the south are the native Americans and we are the illegals.

    Well said, Callen!

    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,040
    unsung said:

    Kat said:

    Did you know that when you look at the earth from the moon all that dirt you see doesn't have any lines on it. It's just a bunch of dirt with a bunch of humans all over it.

    :) Happy Sunday.


    Obama just asked for $2B, with a B, to take care of these people.

    Did you know that somebody has to pay for that?

    What's your solution? Or Rand's for that matter?

    Peace.
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

    Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.

    Brilliantati©
  • evsgjammevsgjamm Posts: 2,107


    In 2010, Juarez, once a cultural beacon near the Texas border, saw 3,110 murders and has become known as 'Murder City'. Directly across the Rio Grande River, El Paso had 5 murders- and to this day is consistently ranked as one of the safest large cities in America.

    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/8738-a-tale-of-two-cities-ciudad-juarez-and-el-paso

    Did you know that El Paso practically leads the country in total banking cash deposits... trailing only New York City?

    Cultural divide (especially at borders) is a real crazy thing in many parts of the world. I was in El Paso in 2006 and a group of us guys walked across to Juarez - it was like walking from heaven to hell. Very stressful feeling being in that part of Juarez right near the border... although we had a fun time partying with the locals, it had an unsafe aura about it. One wrong step and I think one of us woulda been in trouble faster than we could say WAIT LETS JUST HAVE A TEQUILA AND SETTLE THIS LIKE DRUNK CANADIANS! or something like that. Do people like drunk canadians more than drunk mexicans? I don't know. just a question to think about.

    Wasn't Detroit also known as USA's murder capital of the world in recent years? It sure did "die."

    I realize I'm being very cynical - I've just been too nice lately in the last few days, I need to have a dirty cleanse and the PJ forum is where I chose to vent my cynicism.
    I'll be well, soon. But this story was / is captivating.
    Back to the party!
    Vancouver '03, Paramount Theatre '05, Saskatoon '05, Calgary '05, Edmonton '05, Saskatoon '11, Calgary '11, Calgary '13

    2010 WATCH IT GO TO FIRE!!
  • KatKat Posts: 4,871
    Yes unsung, I do know we have to pay for it. I'd rather pay for that than pay the congress salary though. I see those people/children as seeking asylum from intolerable conditions and that's one reason my ancestors came to America. They were fleeing intolerable conditions in Europe from all the wars. Otherwise, I'd be a European, and I have to wonder what life would have been like.
    Happy Monday now. :)
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • KatKat Posts: 4,871
    brianlux, I'm always telling Sea "bring on the alien invasion" so people will have a big lightbulb moment. We're all together on this planet...let's stop those aliens! ;)
    Happy Monday.
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Kat said:

    Yes unsung, I do know we have to pay for it. I'd rather pay for that than pay the congress salary though. I see those people/children as seeking asylum from intolerable conditions and that's one reason my ancestors came to America. They were fleeing intolerable conditions in Europe from all the wars. Otherwise, I'd be a European, and I have to wonder what life would have been like.
    Happy Monday now. :)

    Well, I will certainly agree that Congress is paid too much, but these children are not seeking asylum from a dictator that is murdering them based on some religion or other war, they are here because this President doesn't enforce the laws on the books regarding immigration. They are here because he announced that he would not deport DREAM eligible people, they are here to take advantage of our President not doing his job, they are here for a better life and for the possibility of a job. Fortunately there is a program for people like that, it is called LEGAL immigration. Otherwise we are rewarding people that break our laws, simple as that. We can't be a welfare state and be an open border state, it will bankrupt us. It has to be one or the other.

    And a great Monday to you as well.
    B-)
  • ajedigeckoajedigecko Posts: 2,430
    ...lead by example.

    Move out of your gated secure communities and live with those who cross illegally.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,047
    Kat said:

    brianlux, I'm always telling Sea "bring on the alien invasion" so people will have a big lightbulb moment. We're all together on this planet...let's stop those aliens! ;)
    Happy Monday.

    That would very likely unite us at last. And when the aliens come and we play some great P.J. for them and they start bobbing their heads in time to the music and we all start to dance together, that will be great, eh!

    Happy Monday to you and all. :-)

    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    edited June 2014
    Kat said:

    Yes unsung, I do know we have to pay for it. I'd rather pay for that than pay the congress salary though. I see those people/children as seeking asylum from intolerable conditions and that's one reason my ancestors came to America. They were fleeing intolerable conditions in Europe from all the wars. Otherwise, I'd be a European, and I have to wonder what life would have been like.
    Happy Monday now. :)

    Everyone, except for those of Native American heritage, is in the United States because they or their ancestors emigrated here. Some did legally, some did so illegally. For Americans to be calling people seeking asylum from extreme violence aliens and to make calls to build bigger walls and arm more border patrols (sanctioned or un-sanctioned) or to just close the whole country to anyone wanting in is to forget from where they came. We are a country of immigrants. I am no better as a 2nd generation American of Irish ancestry than a Guatamalen youth being sent here alone to possibly live past their 12th birthday. 'Bring me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free'. When did those who are citizens NOW become so entitled to dictate who is allowed to enter the United States in the future? Almost all of us have our roots somewhere else, and we were taken in by the United States and given a chance at a better life. The bigotry that is espoused towards the southern borders is un-American. Those children's families are being lied to by smugglers; causing a humanitarian crisis that needs to be handled. I will gladly let my tax dollars pay for those who are tired, poor, huddled masses; much preferable to the 4 trillion, with a T, that we spent in Iraq because of a vendetta & greed.
    If these were Canadian children coming from our northern borders, I wonder how upset the tea party (that is a tea partyer's web site) would be? And i watched the video and looked at the site and it is edited and designed to show untruths or twisted angles of stories. I'd gladly ponder the content presented on the website if it showed a modicum of validity. YMMV

    Happy Monday from the BEACH. :)>- :D
    Post edited by njnancy on
  • KatKat Posts: 4,871
    NJNancy from the Beach...I'm so jealous...get a nice tan. Yes, " 'Bring me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free'." still means something to me too and no more stupid wars does too. :)
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    People make it sound like these kids just wanna leave their homeland for kicks they have no other recourse they have to , they have no $$$$$$ for Visas or to go the legal way like Unsung stated you have to put yourself in their shoes to really understand what a difficult decision they must make ....I'm an immigrant came here in 1971 now i'm an american citizen i feel their pain .....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • melissachunmelissachun Posts: 107
    I think another consideration is whether the current Legal Immigration process is still effective. It's easy to write off undocumented immigrants a group, and judge them based on the general conditions of their home country, but they are all individuals - human beings - with different circumstances. An invasion from Mars could help remind us that we are all one race (human), but hopefully it won't have to come to that. :)
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Just so that history isn't forgotten in the 112th Congress the House passed an immigration bill 389-15.

    Harry Reid refused to bring it to a vote.

    Just so we are clear.

    Who is the roadblock again?
  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    History likely will never forget the 112th Congress. It has been the most unproductive Congress since the 1940's when records began to be kept on such matters. I'm sorry, there is the 113th Congress which is on record to be less productive than the 112th. Just because a bill was passed and sent to the Senate does not mean it was a GOOD bill. They passed a myriad of bills on abortion, contraception, naming of post offices and of course voted to repeal 'Obamacare' over 50 times. From where does obstruction come? Many places. I, however, have never seen such complete nonsense in my many decades of being politically aware as the present.

    A jobs bill is sitting in the Congress for the past several years and Boehner refuses to bring it to the floor. Why? The Congress calls for hearings about Benghazi; but refused to vote for increased spending for embassy protection. Why? Does it have anything to do with completely de-legitimatizing this President? Why? Now there are calls for impeachment. Why? Please answer those questions and then i will seriously consider the immigration bill from the 112th.

    Obstructionists? The filibuster abuse in the Senate by the minority and the tea party influence on the Republican lead Congress; which is aided by the gerrymandering that Republicans did after the last census. Period.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    389-15.

    A lot of democrats voted for that. Harry Reid refused to listen just like he refused to audit the fed when the House passed it with both parties supporting it.

    Keep blaming the other side, it's really funny.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,040
    unsung said:

    Just so that history isn't forgotten in the 112th Congress the House passed an immigration bill 389-15.

    Harry Reid refused to bring it to a vote.

    Just so we are clear.

    Who is the roadblock again?

    Of what "history" do you speak? Is it HR-3012? Or HR-1933? HR-3012, of which I think you referenced as it passed the 112th Congress 389-15 is the bill you're referring to (it was the only House bill that I could find regarding immigration with the vote tally you reference). However, it also passed after House rules were suspended and a recorded vote was taken. Why the recorded vote? Because if it truly had the bi-partisan support that you trumpet and then lay the blame for eventual failure with Senator Reid, it would have passed on a voice vote. As it was, because the republicans suspended the rules, allowing 40 minutes of debate, and forcing a recorded vote, in hopes of using a nay vote against the democrats in the mid-terms, the democrats voted overwhelmingly for the bill knowing it wouldn't go anywhere in the Senate. There were actually more republican nay votes cast in the House vote. Regardless, its hardly a "sweeping" immigration reform bill that would address what we're seeing now. Politics at its worse. Remember, the republican leadership is on record as doing everything they can to make this president fail.

    SUMMARY AS OF:
    11/29/2011--Passed House amended. (There are 2 other summaries)

    (This measure has not been amended since it was reported to the House on November 18, 2011. The summary of that version is repeated here.)

    Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011 - Amends the Immigration and Nationality Act to: (1) eliminate the per country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, and (2) increase the per country numerical limitation for family based immigrants from 7% to 15% of the total number of family-sponsored visas.

    Amends the Chinese Student Protection Act of 1992 to eliminate the provision requiring the reduction of annual Chinese (PRC) immigrant visas to offset status adjustments under such Act.

    Sets forth the following transition period for employment-based second and third preference (EB-2 and EB-3) immigrant visas: (1) for FY2012, 15% of such visas allotted to natives of countries other than the two countries with the largest aggregate numbers of natives obtaining such visas in FY2010; (2) for FY2013, 10% of such visas allotted in each category to natives of countries other than the two with the largest aggregate numbers of natives obtaining such visas in FY2011; and (3) for FY2014, 10% of such visas allotted in each category to natives of countries other than the two with the largest aggregate numbers of natives obtaining such visas in FY2012.

    Sets forth the following per country distribution rules: (1) for transition period visas, not more than 25% of the total number of EB-2 and EB-3 visas for natives of a single country; and (2) for non-transition period visas, not more than 85% of EB-2 and EB-3 visas for natives of a single country.

    Provides that the amendments made by this Act will take place as if enacted on September 30, 2011, and shall apply beginning in FY2012.

    http://www.congress-summary.com/B-112th-Congress/House_Bills_112th_Congress_B.html

    But, but, but, it was Senator Grassley, REPUBLICAN of Iowa, who placed a hold on the bill, thus denying the senate the opportunity to bring it to the floor for a vote. However, Grassley and Senator Schumer resolved Grassley's differences, namely new H-1B enforcement language and Grassley released his hold. However, "other" senators, and I don't know who they are, are preparing to raise objections, thus preventing the bill from coming to the floor for a vote.

    http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=37451

    If my "history" is incorrect or I've mistakenly referenced the incorrect bill, please correct me. So, who is the roadblock?

    Peace.
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

    Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.

    Brilliantati©
  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096

    unsung said:

    Just so that history isn't forgotten in the 112th Congress the House passed an immigration bill 389-15.

    Harry Reid refused to bring it to a vote.

    Just so we are clear.

    Who is the roadblock again?

    Of what "history" do you speak? Is it HR-3012? Or HR-1933? HR-3012, of which I think you referenced as it passed the 112th Congress 389-15 is the bill you're referring to (it was the only House bill that I could find regarding immigration with the vote tally you reference). However, it also passed after House rules were suspended and a recorded vote was taken. Why the recorded vote? Because if it truly had the bi-partisan support that you trumpet and then lay the blame for eventual failure with Senator Reid, it would have passed on a voice vote. As it was, because the republicans suspended the rules, allowing 40 minutes of debate, and forcing a recorded vote, in hopes of using a nay vote against the democrats in the mid-terms, the democrats voted overwhelmingly for the bill knowing it wouldn't go anywhere in the Senate. There were actually more republican nay votes cast in the House vote. Regardless, its hardly a "sweeping" immigration reform bill that would address what we're seeing now. Politics at its worse. Remember, the republican leadership is on record as doing everything they can to make this president fail.

    SUMMARY AS OF:
    11/29/2011--Passed House amended. (There are 2 other summaries)

    (This measure has not been amended since it was reported to the House on November 18, 2011. The summary of that version is repeated here.)

    Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011 - Amends the Immigration and Nationality Act to: (1) eliminate the per country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, and (2) increase the per country numerical limitation for family based immigrants from 7% to 15% of the total number of family-sponsored visas.

    Amends the Chinese Student Protection Act of 1992 to eliminate the provision requiring the reduction of annual Chinese (PRC) immigrant visas to offset status adjustments under such Act.

    Sets forth the following transition period for employment-based second and third preference (EB-2 and EB-3) immigrant visas: (1) for FY2012, 15% of such visas allotted to natives of countries other than the two countries with the largest aggregate numbers of natives obtaining such visas in FY2010; (2) for FY2013, 10% of such visas allotted in each category to natives of countries other than the two with the largest aggregate numbers of natives obtaining such visas in FY2011; and (3) for FY2014, 10% of such visas allotted in each category to natives of countries other than the two with the largest aggregate numbers of natives obtaining such visas in FY2012.

    Sets forth the following per country distribution rules: (1) for transition period visas, not more than 25% of the total number of EB-2 and EB-3 visas for natives of a single country; and (2) for non-transition period visas, not more than 85% of EB-2 and EB-3 visas for natives of a single country.

    Provides that the amendments made by this Act will take place as if enacted on September 30, 2011, and shall apply beginning in FY2012.

    http://www.congress-summary.com/B-112th-Congress/House_Bills_112th_Congress_B.html

    But, but, but, it was Senator Grassley, REPUBLICAN of Iowa, who placed a hold on the bill, thus denying the senate the opportunity to bring it to the floor for a vote. However, Grassley and Senator Schumer resolved Grassley's differences, namely new H-1B enforcement language and Grassley released his hold. However, "other" senators, and I don't know who they are, are preparing to raise objections, thus preventing the bill from coming to the floor for a vote.

    http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=37451

    If my "history" is incorrect or I've mistakenly referenced the incorrect bill, please correct me. So, who is the roadblock?

    Peace.
    Thank you for answering the question I asked unsung - to name the bill - details are very important. :)>-

  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    edited July 2014
    unsung said:

    389-15.

    A lot of democrats voted for that. Harry Reid refused to listen just like he refused to audit the fed when the House passed it with both parties supporting it.

    Keep blaming the other side, it's really funny.

    Actually, I don't find any of this funny in the least. There was a time when both sides were able to negotiate and come to terms where neither side got everything it wanted, but progress was made for the betterment of the country.
    You don't know my political affiliation; so you wouldn't know who the 'other side' was in my case. Or maybe I don't have a 'side', just opinions on different issues which can vary along the political spectrum. I don't 'blame' political parties as a rule; however, it is pretty hard not to comprehend what has been going on ever since McConnell declared that the number one priority of the Republican Party would be to make Obama a one term President. I don't find that type of agenda to be helpful, legislative or ethical. I find it to be a declaration of obstruction.
    But maybe I thought all that hopey, changey stuff might actual be good for the country. Stupid, idealistic me.

    As a side note - from one of my favorite movies 1776 - John Adams: A second flood, a simple famine, plagues of locusts everywhere, or a cataclysmic earthquake, I'd accept with some despair. But no, You sent us Congress! Good God, Sir, was that fair?
    Post edited by njnancy on
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    I'm not quoting all of that. A lot of words that really doesn't say much.

    Harry Reid is the roadblock. He never brought it to a vote because it didn't give blanket amnesty. The Democrats refuse to pass anything that doesn't have full amnesty for illegal aliens.

    Details are important.

    Harry Reid was also the roadblock on Audit the Fed, another bipartisan bill that he wouldn't bring to a vote.

    My entire point was that both sides throw up their roadblocks.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Both sides are at fault but the Republicans vote against not only from principle or what's good for the country but also to stem support for liberal agenda. They see the country transforming and are fighting it versus changing. They will ultimately have to change, maybe switching from both social and fiscal conservatism to more fiscal oriented. Good thing.

    As to immigration we do have to be practical and that doesn't include open boarders as much as that sounds all wonderful.

    It kills me when people blame the illegals. They have cajones risking life and limb coming here. Great workers we need to feed our economy. Also all my republican friends that are anti wetback have them cut their grass and build their homes. If we don't hire they would not come.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Immigration reform is very simple.

    1. Enforce the border.
    2. Jail employers that hire them.

    Problem solved.

    Of course it won't happen because another bipartisan thing is that people like cheap labor, just like why they shop at Wal-Mart.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    edited July 2014
    unsung said:

    Immigration reform is very simple.

    1. Enforce the border.
    2. Jail employers that hire them.

    Problem solved.

    Of course it won't happen because another bipartisan thing is that people like cheap labor, just like why they shop at Wal-Mart.

    Agree if we also add guest worker program.
    Post edited by callen on
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
Sign In or Register to comment.